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Not trying to be controversial just discussing with a fellow Corvette enthusiast and discussing the odds the C8 is last CE we see? Assuming the C9 comes out in 2026 or 2027 and looking at the insane Tesla Plaid performance numbers here right now (watch YouTube videos of this car launching and doing 9’s stock in 1/4 mile) plus what will be available in electric HP over the next 4-5 years, can Tadge and gang even have a CE C9 ?
The C9 would get killed as a CE vs Electric by 2026 or 2027! We both concluded that hard to imagine a C9 with a CE being remotely competitive?
One of these days someone with a lick of sense will come out and state that the electric engines eat up as much fuel and pollute just the same, but in a different manner, then combustion engines do.
Sorry, but IMHO the electric engines aren't the be all, end all, that tree huggers want it to be.
Plus if I'm going from Houston to Biloxi, I don't want to spend one hour or so getting an electric recharge.
One of these days someone with a lick of sense will come out and state that the electric engines eat up as much fuel and pollute just the same, but in a different manner, then combustion engines do.
Sorry, but IMHO the electric engines aren't the be all, end all, that tree huggers want it to be.
Plus if I'm going from Houston to Biloxi, I don't want to spend one hour or so getting an electric recharge.
Not a Tesla fan but this is hard to not be impressed
Imagine how fast these will be by launch time of the C9? Why hard to imagine a CE C9? I will hold onto my C8 for history’s sake.,.
“The Model S Plaid zips down the quarter mile in a staggeringly quick 9.25 seconds at 152.6 mph. The run from 0 to 60 mph happens just 1.98 seconds after the brutally hard launch” over 1000 hp and 1000 lb of Torque.
One of these days someone with a lick of sense will come out and state that the electric engines eat up as much fuel and pollute just the same, but in a different manner, then combustion engines do.
Sorry, but IMHO the electric engines aren't the be all, end all, that tree huggers want it to be.
Plus if I'm going from Houston to Biloxi, I don't want to spend one hour or so getting an electric recharge.
They won't be eating up as much fuel in 10 years and pollute way less. And that's the point. It's not about right now. Electric cars are still in their infancy and look how far they've come recently. Renewable energy, batteries, and electric vehicles in general are going to be lightyears better in just a few years. Cars will hold more charge, recharge quicker, and performs better every iteration.
They won't be eating up as much fuel in 10 years and pollute way less. And that's the point. It's not about right now. Electric cars are still in their infancy and look how far they've come recently. Renewable energy, batteries, and electric vehicles in general are going to be lightyears better in just a few years. Cars will hold more charge, recharge quicker, and performs better every iteration.
And if we could just get the American public to stop being afraid of nuclear power then we'd be even better off for electricity infrastructure
That said, corvette generations usually go for 5-10 years. The plan for all electric isn't proposed to be until 2035. But thats merely a push from smaller levels of Government and I think most sensible states will be damned to give up their ICE vroom vrooms by 2035. I think you'll see hybrid systems before full electric in the C9, similar to the BMW i8.
Forget the EPA mandate stuff. By the launch of the C9 what performance will the electrics have by then? How will a C9 “CE hybrid” compete against a then Tesla (and others) 1200 -1300 or more HP and 1200 lbs of torque?
Who will want a C9 CE hybrid that is left at the line?
Not trying to be controversial just discussing with a fellow Corvette enthusiast and discussing the odds the C8 is last CE we see? Assuming the C9 comes out in 2026 or 2027 and looking at the insane Tesla Plaid performance numbers here right now (watch YouTube videos of this car launching and doing 9’s stock in 1/4 mile) plus what will be available in electric HP over the next 4-5 years, can Tadge and gang even have a CE C9 ?
The C9 would get killed as a CE vs Electric by 2026 or 2027! We both concluded that hard to imagine a C9 with a CE being remotely competitive?
Thoughts?
The Z06 is coming out in 2023 they didn't spend billions to only run this chassis and line for 7 model years. This chassis will probably run closer to that 2035 number of all electric and then the Corvette will be their flagship etc.
Frankly I am amazed GM is developing a Z06......I fully expect my next new car to be battery powered...... I still own Exxon because there are trillions of carbon burning motors in the world and it will be decades before they are replaced......
I have to laugh at all of the "Look how far electric cars have come" statements. Not very far at all in the last 120 years. The electric vehicles of the last century were very much the same in concept and execution as the current vehicles. Yes, they can charge faster, but that's due as much to improvements to the existing electrical grid as it is to the cars themselves. I don't see another similar "leap forward" in the grid coming any time soon. The weaknesses of the new electrics are the same as the old ones - range, battery life and recharging time. No one has solved that yet, and until they do, electric cars will be nothing more than a niche market and a political cause. If you compare the progress made in the last 120 years on ICE cars, electric cars suffer badly by comparison. Electric cars may be the "next thing" . . . but in my opinion we're not there yet. Not by a long shot.
Has little to do with what GM wants, if electrical vehicles are technically silly etc. It's who's in charge!
Had the election in 2016 gone the other way we would have the "Corvette family" required by law to get ~40 mpg in ~2025! This press release summarizing the 1174 page NHTSA document that defined what the law to start in 2017 and progress to ~40 mpg for sports cars in 2025. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...iency-standard
Note, the press release shows the average car will achieve 54.5 mpg but that report specifically says what "each car family" will be required to achieve. The pic below defines the Corvette. NOTE: this is NOT a gas guzzle tax.Folks pushing the issue will NOT ALLOW rich Ferrari, Corvette etc folks to pollute the air with CO2 by just paying money.
Was clear to me that Corvettes on average in 2025 or soon after would have to be hybrids...(perhaps the Zora could be higher as it's the average all all Corvettes so a $150,000+ Zora would be sold in limited volume and could be averaged with all others.)
Frankly It's even worse now as some in power demand only zero CO2 emissions will be allowed. The plan was actually well thought through and defines what car companies said they could achieve. For example Prius Hybrids can get 50+ mpg on the EPA required mpg tests. Note that does not mean it will achieve it in the real world BUT ~40 mpg for a hybrid Vette is achievable (in EPA defined drive tests) and far from what the C8 achieves now.
I have to laugh at all of the "Look how far electric cars have come" statements. Not very far at all in the last 120 years. The electric vehicles of the last century were very much the same in concept and execution as the current vehicles. Yes, they can charge faster, but that's due as much to improvements to the existing electrical grid as it is to the cars themselves. I don't see another similar "leap forward" in the grid coming any time soon. The weaknesses of the new electrics are the same as the old ones - range, battery life and recharging time. No one has solved that yet, and until they do, electric cars will be nothing more than a niche market and a political cause. If you compare the progress made in the last 120 years on ICE cars, electric cars suffer badly by comparison. Electric cars may be the "next thing" . . . but in my opinion we're not there yet. Not by a long shot.
You have multiple automotive corporations investing hundreds of billions of dollars to quickly develop EV technology. You're going to see leaps and bounds in a few years. It will blow your mind. Hell just having the ability to power my entire house during a power outage with an EV battery is reason enough for me to switch.
EV's are the very near future of the auto industry. Though they are not quite ready for prime time, Big Brother has spoken. Manufacturers can listen or perish. And so it goes.
You won't see a C9 in 2027. At the absolute earliest timeline, you'll see a C9 in 2029 maybe, but more likely around 2032. The C7 generation was only as short as it was because it was a half-step generation, developed when GM was nearly bankrupt. Typically, the Corvette generations last considerably longer than the 6 years the C7 did. The C8 generation will certainly run longer.
IMO the C9 will likely not go full electric as their customers will have to wade into that market gently. They will probably be hybrids I would think, with some form of combustion engine in them. Then the C10 will certainly be full electric.
Imagine how fast these will be by launch time of the C9? Why hard to imagine a CE C9? I will hold onto my C8 for history’s sake.,.
“The Model S Plaid zips down the quarter mile in a staggeringly quick 9.25 seconds at 152.6 mph. The run from 0 to 60 mph happens just 1.98 seconds after the brutally hard launch” over 1000 hp and 1000 lb of Torque.
I’m actually not that impressed. It’s 1000 BP, that’s the kind of performance expected. I was actually thinking it should be more but it appears that Alex yea weight limits it’s potential.
You have multiple automotive corporations investing hundreds of billions of dollars to quickly develop EV technology. You're going to see leaps and bounds in a few years. It will blow your mind. Hell just having the ability to power my entire house during a power outage with an EV battery is reason enough for me to switch.
We’re also seeing billion dollar recalls on Chevy Bolts and Hyundai’s EV’s for to battery fire risk. Tesla of course has a fire problem but denies it’s a thing.
As far as having my mind blown, I just drove the Blue Ridge Parkway not even breaking 45 mph. Top down, no music, just listening to engine rumble and had a blast. Not everything is just about 0-60 times and lap speeds.
Last edited by Majestic94; 08-13-2021 at 12:09 PM.
Not trying to be controversial just discussing with a fellow Corvette enthusiast and discussing the odds the C8 is last CE we see? Assuming the C9 comes out in 2026 or 2027 and looking at the insane Tesla Plaid performance numbers here right now (watch YouTube videos of this car launching and doing 9’s stock in 1/4 mile) plus what will be available in electric HP over the next 4-5 years, can Tadge and gang even have a CE C9 ?
The C9 would get killed as a CE vs Electric by 2026 or 2027! We both concluded that hard to imagine a C9 with a CE being remotely competitive?
Thoughts?
The more typical nomenclature is ICE - internal combustion engine, BEV - battery electric vehicle, PHEV plugin hybrid electric vehicle, and HEV - hybrid electric vehicle.
The C9 will probably be delayed and the C8 a longer run. I doubt the C9 will be offered in an ICE. It will either be a PHEV or a BEV or both.
Let me know when an electric car wins a significant endurance race. Nuff said.
Because 1/10th of 1% care about that metric. Let me know when another production 4 door sedan does 0-60 in 2 seconds and does the 1/4 mile in the 9.0's
08-12-2021, 10:47 PM
C8 last of Combustion Engine Corvettes?
