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Well you guys seem to know more than all the major auto manufacturers because they are betting the farm on EV and it’s not just talk. Some of the top Corvette engineers have been moved to the EV program. Mary Berra has promised 30 EV models globally by 2025. And in the last 6 months they have accelerated the timeline. Ford is doing the same, as well as the Europeans. It doesn’t mean ICE engines go away, but clearly they will become less relevant with each passing year, and I think it’s fair to say the C8 will be the last V8 GM consumer sports car. Lots of rumors the next Camaro will be EV which would likely leave just the C8 with a V8 in just a few short years.
Yeah, my observation too. Somebody better get to these multi-billion $ companies (essentially all of them) and inform them they're on a path to destruction, maybe even change their logo back to the old one.
Attempting to predict tomorrow's problems with today's knowledge is the mistake made throughout history. Many are sure this cannot be done. Even though I'm hoping they're right, I'm not betting they are.
Lets use Ethanol... E100 is a renewable fuel and is carbon natural.. ooops it takes more energy to make Ethanol than what you get out! So all cars will be Carbon Natural, but the manufacturing plants to make Ethanol will use Hydrocarbons and we will all die of runaway global warming. in 10 years. Oh by the way electric motors produce dangerous emissions also.. Ozone will destroy our atmosphere causing us to loose the protections from the suns radiation and we will all die from that..
I believe that we must find the sensible answer to an alternate fuel before we shift to all electric.
GM is all in for 100% electric by 2035, like it or not, its coming
Just remember life is dynamic. That is what they say today. If it were 2015 it wasn't what they said. Who knows what they will say in 2028. This whole thing is pretty fluid and will evolve over time. In 1973 and 1979 we were told in a few years all the oil would be gone and there was a gasoline crisis, people sitting in line for hours to just get a few gallons. We all need to face it, it's about control of the lemmings and we are the lemmings. They will MAKE a market for EV by artificially raising gas prices to over $5 a gallon. A few years ago it hit $4 a gallon and everyone was running to hybrids. Pretty easy to control the masses really, we all want to think we have control, but we don't. We're all just pawns on the chess board.
This is an article from 1975 stated as fact. Turns out.......
Just like 25 years ago we were told that due to Global-Warming, we only had 10 years to live before all of the ice caps melted and we would all be underwater. How did that work out?
I am not against electric vehicles. If the marketplace and the public demands them, fine. Just don't allow the federal government to dictate to the auto manufacturers what must be built.
I didn't want to enter the political area that this has become. Too many strong emotions and philosophical ideas left to another venue. Not picking sides, but the electric change is coming like it or not.
That being said, what I've preached for years is that the equivalent of the Apollo Moon program should be initiated re battery research and design for something that doesn't exist yet. The end goal should enable the energy (255Ah) of an 8D battery (2,283 cubic inches) for example to fit inside the format of a flashlight D battery (3 cubic inches). That is a 731:1 reduction in size with the same amount of power storage. Lithium is NOT the answer. Typically, it is only 2:1. This is similar to other energy comparison yields - petroleum vs nuclear, black vs gunpowder, ....
Once the technology is developed, many geopolitical problems will disappear as they ultimately have energy at its root cause. I'll leave that go, but if you seriously look at it with an open mind, so much would be resolved, not to mention the elephant the world's Climate.
I believe that civilization is entering a new chapter in its history no different than the ages that came before it and had drastic changes. Copper Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age, industrial age, digital age, what is the future ??? Only historians of the future will know. But without a grip on what is facing all of us together, that history is not yet written.
Lithium is NOT the answer. Typically, it is only 2:1. This is similar to other energy comparison yields - petroleum vs nuclear, black vs gunpowder, ....
After all of the problems Boeing had with the Lithium batteries in the B-787, they still did not learn. The batteries had several instances of igniting, and causing fires onboard the aircraft.
How did Boeing address this hazard? They chose to build a stronger box around the battery, to prevent the spread of fire after the battery ignites. They addressed the symptom, not the root cause of the problem.
Just remember life is dynamic. That is what they say today. If it were 2015 it wasn't what they said. Who knows what they will say in 2028. This whole thing is pretty fluid and will evolve over time. In 1973 and 1979 we were told in a few years all the oil would be gone and there was a gasoline crisis, people sitting in line for hours to just get a few gallons. We all need to face it, it's about control of the lemmings and we are the lemmings. They will MAKE a market for EV by artificially raising gas prices to over $5 a gallon. A few years ago it hit $4 a gallon and everyone was running to hybrids. Pretty easy to control the masses really, we all want to think we have control, but we don't. We're all just pawns on the chess board.
This is an article from 1975 stated as fact. Turns out.......
These kind of pics are reminders of when the peanut farmer told us that the world was just about out of oil and we were rapidly entering an ice age. How did those predictions workout?
Lithium to me is like the 286 or 386 version of computer chips. I've refused sales to potential customers of my products that want to use large lithium batteries. What, money doesn't talk with you? No, I say, doing it right does. The loss of "sales" is probably less than 1 liability lawsuit's damages. Money doesn't drive me, only the lack of it.
Just like 25 years ago we were told that due to Global-Warming, we only had 10 years to live before all of the ice caps melted and we would all be underwater. How did that work out?
I am not against electric vehicles. If the marketplace and the public demands them, fine. Just don't allow the federal government to dictate to the auto manufacturers what must be built.
All of my vehicles are V8 powered.
^^^^^^^This. 100% agree.
V8 power is still the one, sound, torque, the real deal. No 4 cylinder puss motors for me either. I heard a guy the other day call them "pencil neck specials". Hilarious.
No green energy is free,
Hydrogen needs electricity to be separated
Electricity needs coal, atomic, hydro, NG, Wind or Solar to me made
Batteries need environmentally non friendly mining
For some reason people keep thinking green energy is perpetual
About 96% of hydrogen is obtained from natural gas.
That's been said for years, and it has not evolved quickly. Think 1975 when catalytic converters came out, and how long it took before we got decent performing cars. That's where we are today with electrics. Electric cars are in their infancy, and impractical for anything other than local commuting. It takes an eternity to charge them to full capacity. In fact, right now, full capacity charging is discouraged, because it will reduce battery life.
There are physical limitations for charging electric cars at the same pace as gasoline cars. The Tesla Roadster is rumored to have a 200 kWh battery. To charge that from dead to 100% in three minutes, the same time it takes to fill your gasoline tank, would require 4 million watts. These charging stations better have their own power plants.
If the car is charged at 1000 volts (800 volts is the highest today), it would require 4000 amps. Do you know how big of a cable that would require?
Let say they upped the charging voltage to 10,000 volts. Are you going to have drivers handle 10,000 volt cables? Or have 10,000 volt wiring in your car?
You can't change physics. People are being sold a dream.
Your analysis is completely wrong. It is based on an old model - ICE vehicles. With a BEV you plug it in at night and wake up every morning with a "full" charge. A new Tesla model S has a range of over 400 miles. How often does 1 drive over 400 miles in a single day? On those occasions you are driving far, you do not need to charge from 0-100% in 3 minutes. You drive @ 250 miles, stop for lunch and charge for @30 minutes. You have then added @200 miles additional range. With current Superchargers you can add over 700 miles per hour charging - peak rate. Once they get the peak rate to be able to go longer, it becomes even less of an issue.
I go on a full tank before I stop. On all of my vehicles its 400 - 600 miles per tank before a fillip is required. No matter how hard I try, the stop is a minimum of 20 minutes, but that won't get you a charge capable of another thankfully. Depending on circumstances, I'll do 650-950 miles in a day when traveling. Electric isn't there yet, but I'd expect that to change to a number agreeable for most within a decade, especially if charging stations are put everywhere as part of an infrastructure bill.
The overall group is taking the wrong approach against the development of green vehicles.
We should be telling politicians not that we will not accept different kinds of vehicles but telling politicians that we will not accept heavier vehicles. And therefor I have written editorials that call for a 4000 pound weight limit on non-commercial vehicles.
With everyone saying something different then there is no political coalition.
Well, these non-commercial vehicles that weigh close to 5000 pounds are a threat to other vehicles on the road.
But consider a perpetually-kept ICE car. The best cars for that situation are the C5, the C6, and the Pontiac Solstice. Those cars have a rectangular-tube girder-frame chassis in steel. And steel has no risk of cracking due to large numbers of stress cycles.
Other than Tesla, the other commercial charging stations charge 4X the $ of your home electric rate. That would be like paying $3/gallon in your home town but $12/gallon if you are 200 miles away or more.
No one has talked about the looming battery disposal impact on the environment. We have gone thru one hybrid, which we liked a lot and on our second one. So far my approach has been typical of the public and the politicians: Not my problem! sad, but true.
I worked in the utility business in the 70's and 80's when nuclear became politically uneconomic. I don't see that changing anywhere in the USA except possibly the Southeast.
15,000 years ago New England was under a mile of ice. That didn't just melt away in the last 200 years.
That's my political posting for the next few months. Anyone want to talk about C8 Corvettes?
03-16-2021, 07:03 AM
