C8 shutdown cause has US Senators demanding action
02-03-2021, 08:35 PM
#121
Are you aware it’s controlled mostly by software? And there’s no carbs or distributer. Even the door handles are electronic. I see you’ve optioned for the 2LT so you have a digital camera for a mirror, heads up display, navigation, Carplay, wireless charging, blind side warning sensors, backup sensors, a data recorder, etc. Interesting choice for technophobes. :
02-03-2021, 08:39 PM
#122
What do you think a new C8 Navigation system will cost you versus a water pump from back in the day? You talking minor repairs. Apparently you were never a big believer in routine maintenance. You really think more complex engineered systems are less expensive to maintain? Counter-intuitive is it not? GenC2 never had the plant shut down because GM had a shortage of water pump impellers made on Taiwan.
That was just bad engineering and poor material and manufacturing quality. There’s only so much you can do with an oil change and tune up. Go back and look at how much it really took to keep your heap on the road. You replaced stuff as it broke, There was plenty of parts available and they all sucked.
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02-03-2021, 08:39 PM
#123
Burning Brakes
They don't sound so environmentally friendly to me. We could use biofuels which can produce zero emissions and we could still enjoy driving coast to coast without having to stop so frequently and for so long during each stop.
Electric is a crap until you can create something a power source like the arc reactor in Iron Man. It's hilarious that California is pushing so hard for EV cars when they can't keep the lights on at times and they can't keep the power on sometimes.
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MMD (02-03-2021)
02-03-2021, 08:41 PM
#124
Are you aware it’s controlled mostly by software? And there’s no carbs or distributer. Even the door handles are electronic. I see you’ve optioned for the 2LT so you have a digital camera for a mirror, heads up display, navigation, Carplay, wireless charging, blind side warning sensors, backup sensors, a data recorder, etc. Interesting choice for technophobes. :
02-03-2021, 08:44 PM
#125
Not what I meant. Vehicles track everywhere you go. Tech today exists to do this sort of thing and store this data in massive data farms that can be used for future use. What if someone was tracking your vehicle and matched up your whereabouts with criminal activity in a certain area and a match is made with you being very close to a crime scene at a particular time. Would this make you feel uncomfortable if police authorities identified you as a suspect because of the info they possessed about your whereabouts? If you have a cell phone they are doing this now. They also track every purchase you make, every phone call or email or text you ever made. Today we live in a total surveillance state. These are just some of the tools law enforcement has at their disposal.
You seem pretty paranoid for somebody who is using that same technology to post this. You sure you wouldn’t rather be reading this in the paper?
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02-03-2021, 08:49 PM
#127
How does routine maintenance prevent an alternator or door speaker from failing?
That was just bad engineering and poor material and manufacturing quality. There’s only so much you can do with an oil change and tune up. Go back and look at how much it really took to keep your heap on the road. You replaced stuff as it broke, There was plenty of parts available and they all sucked.
That was just bad engineering and poor material and manufacturing quality. There’s only so much you can do with an oil change and tune up. Go back and look at how much it really took to keep your heap on the road. You replaced stuff as it broke, There was plenty of parts available and they all sucked.
02-03-2021, 08:51 PM
#128
You could get a 1LT that dumps half those items, but the engine and transmission software is still proprietary, and it’s still going to be direct injected with active cylinder management bolted to a dual clutch transmission controlled solely by electronics.
02-03-2021, 08:56 PM
#129
Maybe you can then tell me how my 19 GS differential went out at 6K miles. While your at it maybe you can tell C7 wide body owners why their excellent wheels and A8 transmission are breaking in large numbers. Let's not forget the 15-17 Z06 over heating too. You seem to have all the answers. Did our C7 brethren not order the complex engineering RPO you are so enthralled with? Was that their problem?
Even the 1953 Corvette had problems with the license plate lens fogging up that they added desiccant bags in 1954.Do you really think quality and engineering was rock solid just until the C7?
Last edited by Majestic94; 02-03-2021 at 08:56 PM.
02-03-2021, 08:57 PM
#130
It’s been awhile since I did any crime with my car, so I think my alibi is solid, but they should be really worried about my search history.
You seem pretty paranoid for somebody who is using that same technology to post this. You sure you wouldn’t rather be reading this in the paper?
You seem pretty paranoid for somebody who is using that same technology to post this. You sure you wouldn’t rather be reading this in the paper?
02-03-2021, 09:02 PM
#131
Really. This is how BS fake news starts. You can only speak for yourself, not me. Head bolt snapped at ?40K, Alternator, window motors, and a few others I can't remember between 80-85.K, new transmission at 115K, head finally let go 130K, engine went at 160K,... glad you were lucky. Btw, Grand Caravan. Spent $10K the last year before I gave up and traded it in for $1,500 toward a GMC Sierra. Haven't looked at a Chrysler POS since.
Yes all maintenance was done. Oil every 3K, tx every 30K, ....Chrysler designed to fail at mileage points no matter how much PM you perform. Total POS.
Yes all maintenance was done. Oil every 3K, tx every 30K, ....Chrysler designed to fail at mileage points no matter how much PM you perform. Total POS.
02-03-2021, 09:04 PM
#132
Seriously.... NCRS member... I have a C3, and my brother has a C2, we attended the NCRS National in GodforsakenNoviMichiganfurcrissakes.... and the keynote was a 2 hour presentation on assembly of Corvettes in the St Louis plant.... the presentation was impeccably prepared, expertly presented, and absolutely chilling....
They just slapped these things together... QC... non-existent... guys grinding fiberglass with belt-sanders... spraying nitro-cellulose without masks.... this is how it was done "In the Good Old Days"...
We've both taken these cars apart and put them together and they are engineered like AMT models... clever... effective... and crude as a pile of dirt...
I love my old cars, but the engineering, design and attention to detail on new cars is in a different stratosphere....
They just slapped these things together... QC... non-existent... guys grinding fiberglass with belt-sanders... spraying nitro-cellulose without masks.... this is how it was done "In the Good Old Days"...
We've both taken these cars apart and put them together and they are engineered like AMT models... clever... effective... and crude as a pile of dirt...
I love my old cars, but the engineering, design and attention to detail on new cars is in a different stratosphere....
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02-03-2021, 09:08 PM
#133
You sure enjoy arguing.You don't think your vehicle/phone privacy data is not being recorded and stored? Companies are actually paying to obtain this data. Pick up most any Business or Computer magazine. You ever read the fine print when you agree to open a Goggle, Facebook, Instagram, Yahoo, etc. account? You don't think GM is not selling your personal data to marketing companies?
Shifting this conversation back to cars..:no, me going to Walgreens with the top down doesn’t tell the Chinese any juicier info than they already have from my website history folder where the real entertainment lives. Wait till they see those crazy cupcake recipes I’ve been researching.
02-03-2021, 09:40 PM
#134
Who’s arguing? You’re using technology that exposed your privacy more than I am, unless you’re using a VPN on a shared computer with a fake username and change your password every hour:
Shifting this conversation back to cars..:no, me going to Walgreens with the top down doesn’t tell the Chinese any juicier info than they already have from my website history folder where the real entertainment lives. Wait till they see those crazy cupcake recipes I’ve been researching.
Shifting this conversation back to cars..:no, me going to Walgreens with the top down doesn’t tell the Chinese any juicier info than they already have from my website history folder where the real entertainment lives. Wait till they see those crazy cupcake recipes I’ve been researching.
Here. Watch these videos and be better informed. Maybe you won't be so close-minded.
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02-03-2021, 09:50 PM
#135
However, it will never happen. It will only get worse (or better depending on your view). The trend is clearly more microprocessors. Cars will be electric vehicles with tons of processing power and the car will eventually drive for you. I won't like it, but I'm sure many will.
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02-03-2021, 09:55 PM
#136
I would LOVE it if we went back to simpler cars without so much technology. A world of lighter and simpler cars would be wonderful in my opinion, even if it lowered overall performance. I don't expect all of this technology is going to make cars as reliable. I think it will cost a fortune to keep a car operating for 20 or 30 years with all of this technology.
However, it will never happen. It will only get worse (or better depending on your view). The trend is clearly more microprocessors. Cars will be electric vehicles with tons of processing power and the car will eventually drive for you. I won't like it, but I'm sure many will.
However, it will never happen. It will only get worse (or better depending on your view). The trend is clearly more microprocessors. Cars will be electric vehicles with tons of processing power and the car will eventually drive for you. I won't like it, but I'm sure many will.
02-03-2021, 10:03 PM
#137
Instructor
02-03-2021, 10:05 PM
#138
Instructor
E-Ray
I'm on the Criswell list for an E-Ray. Not interested in all electric but a performance hybrid (like F1 cars) with AWD is what I want the most.
Last edited by MYROAD; 02-03-2021 at 10:36 PM.
02-03-2021, 10:24 PM
#139
Instructor
Li-ion
Which will unfortunately cost more in the end to mine the materials for the batteries, which then end up in landfills. So much for "green".
They don't sound so environmentally friendly to me. We could use biofuels which can produce zero emissions and we could still enjoy driving coast to coast without having to stop so frequently and for so long during each stop.
Electric is a crap until you can create something a power source like the arc reactor in Iron Man. It's hilarious that California is pushing so hard for EV cars when they can't keep the lights on at times and they can't keep the power on sometimes.
They don't sound so environmentally friendly to me. We could use biofuels which can produce zero emissions and we could still enjoy driving coast to coast without having to stop so frequently and for so long during each stop.
Electric is a crap until you can create something a power source like the arc reactor in Iron Man. It's hilarious that California is pushing so hard for EV cars when they can't keep the lights on at times and they can't keep the power on sometimes.
Last edited by MYROAD; 02-03-2021 at 10:32 PM.
02-03-2021, 10:27 PM
#140
Instructor
Technophobes/Luddites who don't like modern car technology should consider an MX-5 Miata rather than a C8. Very low tech and lots of fun to drive and track.
Last edited by MYROAD; 02-03-2021 at 10:31 PM.