Chinese parts?
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Thanks for the answers.
See this link:
https://www.american.edu/kogod/resea...auto-index.cfm
The 2019 Corvette with the automatic transmission had 68% US or Canadian made parts. That still does not really answer my question, but I guess it gets close. Anyone who can tell me the percentage of Chinese made parts in a C8 Corvette, I would greatly appreciate it.
See this link:
https://www.american.edu/kogod/resea...auto-index.cfm
The 2019 Corvette with the automatic transmission had 68% US or Canadian made parts. That still does not really answer my question, but I guess it gets close. Anyone who can tell me the percentage of Chinese made parts in a C8 Corvette, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Thanks for the answers.
See this link:
https://www.american.edu/kogod/resea...auto-index.cfm
The 2019 Corvette with the automatic transmission had 68% US or Canadian made parts. That still does not really answer my question, but I guess it gets close. Anyone who can tell me the percentage of Chinese made parts in a C8 Corvette, I would greatly appreciate it.
See this link:
https://www.american.edu/kogod/resea...auto-index.cfm
The 2019 Corvette with the automatic transmission had 68% US or Canadian made parts. That still does not really answer my question, but I guess it gets close. Anyone who can tell me the percentage of Chinese made parts in a C8 Corvette, I would greatly appreciate it.
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This is getting harder to tell. Parts for sub assemblies could be sourced from China and the completed part could be assembled in USA. Suppliers to GM do not have to identify the source of parts in their components.
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Everyone on this forum does realize that NO 6000 series or 7000 series aluminum is produced in North America. Let that sink in a little bit before saying made in America for anything. Whats even more interesting is more legislation was created by the same people that enacted sanctions to facilitate more raw material outsourcing. Almost all polymer manufacturing comes from China. All electronic cable and harnessing is produced there as well. Has anyone ever thought about where all or most lighting or bulbs are produced? Where does the base chemicals for ALL car paint come from? The list goes on and on, but the devices we are using to write this should have been a tip off.
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Just like the labels on food, there needs to be more delineation. "Made IN" should not be the same as Assembled IN or Produced in. If the raw materials is sourced from China (or anywhere else) regardless of manufacture, that should be known. Parts content needs to be labeled as to source of materials, not just point of manufacture or assembly - IMO.
This China syndrome is far worse than the Japanese Syndrome of the 60s and 70s. They at least learned and improved and became rather excellent in a decade or so later. Not to mention that they were never even this bad. China has had multiple decades and the crap is getting worse, not better. Wally world has done civilization a big disservice. It's forced manufacturing down a hole so deep, It's hard to see if it will ever get out. Personally, I do not blame China for the result, it's the greedy Fortune CEOs creating this by forcing crap manufacturing from Chinese sources. And like most things, an uneducated public doesn't refuse to buy crap.
This China syndrome is far worse than the Japanese Syndrome of the 60s and 70s. They at least learned and improved and became rather excellent in a decade or so later. Not to mention that they were never even this bad. China has had multiple decades and the crap is getting worse, not better. Wally world has done civilization a big disservice. It's forced manufacturing down a hole so deep, It's hard to see if it will ever get out. Personally, I do not blame China for the result, it's the greedy Fortune CEOs creating this by forcing crap manufacturing from Chinese sources. And like most things, an uneducated public doesn't refuse to buy crap.
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Keep in mind, some companies will say made in the US or where ever - but they are made in china. When the product arrives, part of it is disassembled then reassembled so they can say made in the US - misleading consumers. Business in the US is not honest at all (when talking about corporations). Not saying this is how Chevy does business, but one (or more) of their suppliers might.
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Almost every electronic sub-component is made in China: capacitors, resistors, inductors, integrated circuits, transformers, relays, connectors. Could be assembled in USA but the component parts come from China.
People blame China for producing crap but it's not entirely true. China can make quality products but most stuff sourced from there is based solely on price. Thus you get bottom feeding end products.
People blame China for producing crap but it's not entirely true. China can make quality products but most stuff sourced from there is based solely on price. Thus you get bottom feeding end products.
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Keep in mind, some companies will say made in the US or where ever - but they are made in china. When the product arrives, part of it is disassembled then reassembled so they can say made in the US - misleading consumers. Business in the US is not honest at all (when talking about corporations). Not saying this is how Chevy does business, but one (or more) of their suppliers might.
What I do think has changed over the last 40 or 50 years is many public companies, for many reasons, are all in for quarterly profits no matter what it does to the company's reputation five or 10 years down the road. Very shortsighted, but that is how our current system works.
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I do not think American companies are somehow more corrupt than Asian companies....
What I do think has changed over the last 40 or 50 years is many public companies, for many reasons, are all in for quarterly profits no matter what it does to the company's reputation five or 10 years down the road. Very shortsighted, but that is how our current system works.
What I do think has changed over the last 40 or 50 years is many public companies, for many reasons, are all in for quarterly profits no matter what it does to the company's reputation five or 10 years down the road. Very shortsighted, but that is how our current system works.
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Almost every electronic sub-component is made in China: capacitors, resistors, inductors, integrated circuits, transformers, relays, connectors. Could be assembled in USA but the component parts come from China.
People blame China for producing crap but it's not entirely true. China can make quality products but most stuff sourced from there is based solely on price. Thus you get bottom feeding end products.
People blame China for producing crap but it's not entirely true. China can make quality products but most stuff sourced from there is based solely on price. Thus you get bottom feeding end products.
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Slowly inexorably, we have allowed our mfg base to dwindle in scope. Making fewer and fewer spare parts, pieces, and end products. And become dependent on Chinese sourcing. I have a friend who buys for a mid sized small equipment producer. In Chinese towns you'll never here of, there might be a dozen mini factories that make and compete for the parts he wants. More so needs. Dozens of Chinese cities are the size of our largest NYC. Ones that you can't find can't spell and sadly can't do without. Dangerous commentary. The Chinese are an existential threat should they choose to be. So far we are better their customer than their foe. Today, we should hope it remains that way. Not a fatalist but surely a realist.
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I believe it really did start with Wal-Mart. There's a few documentaries about it and I worked at a large company that had Wal-Mart as a client. They were on the verge of bankruptcy and decided to bring in some cheap garbage into the US. Domestic companies could not compete with that and were forced to setup shops in China to stay competitive.
Wal-Mart is also a corporate bully. They'd place manufacturers into meeting rooms and just pit them against each other for lower prices. Sometimes they'd come back to us and TELL US what they're going to pay and if you didn't like it, then too bad. We also had to do all their homework for them and determine what THEIR sales were going to be every quarter and year. The sort of stuff that you'd think they would be figuring out. Nope. they make you do all the work.
Problem is once you're in their stores, the sheer volume of sales is what kept you "profitable". You had to find ways to cut corners. The profit per piece was crap but it was their volume. Wal-Mart made up about $55M/year in sales for us. Our #2 customer was about $5M/year.
Too many people in this country just want the lowest price so everything is basically disposable junk now.
Wal-Mart is also a corporate bully. They'd place manufacturers into meeting rooms and just pit them against each other for lower prices. Sometimes they'd come back to us and TELL US what they're going to pay and if you didn't like it, then too bad. We also had to do all their homework for them and determine what THEIR sales were going to be every quarter and year. The sort of stuff that you'd think they would be figuring out. Nope. they make you do all the work.
Problem is once you're in their stores, the sheer volume of sales is what kept you "profitable". You had to find ways to cut corners. The profit per piece was crap but it was their volume. Wal-Mart made up about $55M/year in sales for us. Our #2 customer was about $5M/year.
Too many people in this country just want the lowest price so everything is basically disposable junk now.