C5 Frank

No question I agree with you on this. But as with the C7 Z06, most of the C8 Z06s will be waxed to perfection and driven to car shows more than raced at the track. The vast majority will not make it to the track. If a current C7Z owner picks up his new prized C8Z and hits the gas... and it feels sluggish.... there are going to be a lot of questions imo. In this day of instant torque turbo cars, it could be detrimental. If you look at the GT350s, they were turning over very quickly the first few years. Unless you take that car to the track, it’s slower than a stock GT... you have to wring it all the way out til 8300rpm to feel it.

Too-Fast

I am really hoping you are correct!!

thill444

If it sounds too good to be true, that's because it is.

foo.c

I hope so! Gives me a chance of picking one up lightly used someday.

Lower first gear in Z06 could help.

foo.c

Porsche gets 500 hp out of 4.0L. It's doable.

Aozora

I mean, that’s basically the 5.2L Voodoo Less 76HP, pretty underwhelming, no soul except on a track and will be marginally faster if at all than the C7Z.
Some of us have to live with the car and would prefer CPC so as to not suffer the fate of those engines, inevitably vibrating themselves to death.
Anyway, Ferrari has already won the NA battle with the Superfast. Perhaps Chevy should rethink the V8.

JKU007FL

Are we really discussing if a car with less HP could be quicker and faster than a car with more HP? Nissan GT-R proved it back in 2007.

Z0HS1CK

exactly. That's the beauty of traction and a dct. Something a c8 has. That's why itll crush the competition with just a bit more hp.

RedLS6

^ I think we're discussing if it's a car that we might enjoy driving, even if it's slightly faster, when we're not wringing it out at 10/10ths and 9000rpm.

Z0HS1CK

why not? People love cars like the s2000 etc

RedLS6

Mainly because I don't prefer a street car that's fast from 7500-9000rpm, and a dog everywhere else. For the track, sure. But that's just me.

Z0HS1CK

But a car is catered to the broad audience, not just a small group of car buyers. Hence why they dropped the manual. Mainly by design, but also they couldn't see the sense in redesigning the car to accommodate a manual, because the demand isn't enough.

My point is that, car buyers love a car like the s2000, because that's the beauty of having a car like that, you rev it so you can hear the engine sing. It'll obviously be a bit different if GM went this route because even though it won't make massive amounts of torque at idle - 3000rpm, it'll still have torque. Just not as much as their pushrod engines.

If you've driven a 5.0 mustang, it'll be something like that IMHO. Decent torque down low but they come alive up top. It still has torque, just not what we're used to from GM.

Also if you think about it, the LS7 isn't exactly a torquey engine. It got it's fans by being a V8 that loves to rev.

I think GM wants to go back to those roots. Either way i'm buying it. I don't give a **** about tracking the car. I know you do. And i'm sure most do. But then i'm sure most don't, like myself.

I just wanna have a badass car for the street that's new.

c7steve

from ZOHSICK^^^^^
I just wanna have a badass car for the street that's new.[/QUOTE]

how true, i ordered a 2021 Z51 last week, and after thinking long and hard i would be giving up my 2019 Z06 I told the dealer to put my deposit towards the 2022 Z06 .
turns out i am number 1 on there list for Z06's !!!

Z0HS1CK

If a C8 was available to take home. Like i could go to a major corvette dealer this weekend and drive one home, i'd say bye bye to my C7Z. I just like new stuff. The power of the Z i will miss, but that's really only to be experienced when i wanna merge onto the highway or if there's a good stretch of empty highway in front of me. Otherwise i think a C8 is much more usable for the way i drive currently. I would love to out dig every car in sight lol. All the new tech. That new cockpit. All the looks i'll be getting because they're so rare (imagine a corvette being rare lol).

I love my Z to death but it's already old and outdated to me as crazy as that sounds. I had my fun but i wanna move on.

Wait, which dealer did you order your Z51? Is it still available? If you cancel your order, does your order move to the next guy waiting or the car ordered ends up in limbo and anyone can claim it??

Please tell me. I wanna get it! lol

c7steve

haha,,, i was number 5 for 2021's,,,, they were saying may or june of 2021,,,,, have you called dealers around you ?

Z0HS1CK

I got my Z at kerbeck. Had i known the C8 stingray would be this hard to get, i would have inquired last year about getting one, i'd probably have a stingray by now.

Of course COVID made it worse but had i known the C8Z would be pushed back further and further (i really thought it would debut as a 2021 model), then i would have made moves again, last summer.

But i didn't know this would transpire. So i'm stuck with this Z. Or i mean i could get something else like a GTR, GT500, something AMG and be happy until the C8Z comes. But i really want a 1st year C8Z if possible. Or perhaps a 2nd year if the 1st year gets sold out quickly.

I knew it i should have leased this corvette instead of buying it. I honestly think i could have gotten into a C8 easier and faster had i leased my Z. Because i would have given it back last summer and i could have went ahead with the C8 and i would have it, now.

ANTIVNOM

Spot on. That's exactly why the Stingray is so impressive, it can actually use all 495 HP without turning it's back tires into melted goo.

I have faith the car will be awesome. Just like (with reference to a few posts above), the Raptor will be awesome if Ford takes that stupid little V6 Ecogarbage crap out of it. :-)

RedLS6

At the end of the day, we'll see what this car looks like. You'll have no regrets buying it, I'd bet. I'm also looking at McLaren, Porsche Turbo, as well as the ZR, but I may wind up with a C8Z if I like the way it sounds, lol. I've driven most everything at one time or another and built several drag race and road race engines, and know what I prefer at this point. I would argue that a high rpm engine isn't a platform for the masses, instead it's a platform for a performance subset, which is OK.

They are going to sell every one they make. Hopefully no one will be disappointed with a n/a engine the way many were with the GT350, and hopefully the folks who have never driven either a high rpm screamer or a low rpm torque monster can read threads like this, and have a little more of an educated expectation as to what they'll be getting.

z51vett

If C8 has flat plane crank it’s horse power will be in upper RPM IE no bottom end so in a sprint C7 wins.
z51vett
Doug

Z0HS1CK

Not sure why people would compare a FPC engine GM will put out vs what's in the GT350.

Do people compare the 392 hemi to an LS, or to an LT? I mean they're both pushrods. When the LS was chewing up lifters early on, mopar guys didn't worry about their hemi's suffering from the same problem. It's either they developed the problem, or they haven't.

You can't just enter the mentality of something going wrong with the car before even buying it. Especially since we know NOTHING about it. If the car was already 2-3 years in, and we saw the problems, then yeah before you buy the car you have to do more research like is GM fixing it for the next production year etc, or putting a better piece(s) etc.

But right now, if the starting price is under 100k, i'm getting it. Whether it has an NA FPC or a TT (doubt it). Whether it has 550hp, 600, 625hp, or more (doubt it), i'm getting it.

I personally like the way the C8 looks. Moreso than the C7 stingray. Having a C7Z, i think the C7 stingray looks weak and ugly. But i have the C7Z.

So that means when the C8Z comes out, it'll look even better and more aggressive than the stingray, obviously. Which will raise my interest even more.

I love torque, torque is life. And this torque has gotten ALL OF US spoiled. I get that part.

But when you are driving a car, with the same driving dynamics of a supercar, ala ferrari. With the same sound, possibly, most likely actually, then yes all the downsides disappear. Everyone will want to own one.