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Does it count that the FE 10 spd Camaro beat the latest and greatest ME DCT Corvette that by your accounts will shut down the exotic market? I think the C8 might need to beat a Camaro before taking on the worlds best. What do you think NCD? Hell, Telelie will be here soon demanding weights of each vehicle, tires worn during the test and the bowl movements of the driver. Can’t make this stuff up. Hilarious!
I do think on a track, like the Nurburgring, which has some very long straights that the 155 more HP the Camaro has is certainly a factor when comparing lap times. The C8 is not infallible, but does very well considering it's specs.
I do think on a track, like the Nurburgring, which has some very long straights that the 255 more HP the Camaro has is certainly a factor when comparing lap times. The C8 is not infallible, but does very well considering it's specs.
Does it count that the FE 10 spd Camaro beat the latest and greatest ME DCT Corvette that by your accounts will shut down the exotic market? I think the C8 might need to beat a Camaro before taking on the worlds best. What do you think NCD? Hell, Telelie will be here soon demanding weights of each vehicle, tires worn during the test and the bowl movements of the driver. Can’t make this stuff up. Hilarious!
The ZL1 is 250hp up on the C8, and its a heck of a car in its own right. The ring favors high hp cars to begin with, and the C8s times beat the 992 Carrera S as a PROTOTYPE car with Oliver Gavin who has limited Nurburgring race time. It matters greatly about seat time, like no other track in the world proffessional or not. Many locals are fast there because they know every inch of the track. What Jim Mero did there is legendary.
The ZL1 is 250hp up on the C8, and its a heck of a car in its own right. The ring favors high hp cars to begin with, and the C8s times beat the 992 Carrera S as a PROTOTYPE car with Oliver Gavin who has limited Nurburgring race time. It matters greatly about seat time, like no other track in the world proffessional or not. Many locals are fast there because they know every inch of the track. What Jim Mero did there is legendary.
I guess it puts to rest that the C8 is an exotic beater when a Camaro with more weight and inferior design goes for the win. Might tone down your over the top enthusiasm moving forward. We all know the C8 is a very nice $60K sports car, but most of us are somewhat realistic.
Has anyone on here driven a ZL1? Thoughts? I've been contemplating changing from a C8 to a 1LE simply for the fact it has a backseat and I can enjoy it with my kids vs. driving the C8 with 1 kid at a time. (I have young children).
I do think on a track, like the Nurburgring, which has some very long straights that the 255 more HP the Camaro has is certainly a factor when comparing lap times. The C8 is not infallible, but does very well considering it's specs.
Some of that is true but the how the ZLE is amazing in its ability to brake late and its handling. There is a lot of down force that actually slows the car down on the straights. The only other American made sports car I have had that felt the same was my Z06. To each is own at the end of the day, I have never felt that I was above any car or any brand I just like some more then others.
I guess it puts to rest that the C8 is an exotic beater when a Camaro with more weight and inferior design goes for the win. Might tone down your over the top enthusiasm moving forward. We all know the C8 is a very nice $60K sports car, but most of us are somewhat realistic.
But the Camaro ZL1 1LE is competing well with, and sometimes beating, exotics in test like C&D's Lighting Lap. So I'm not sure that the C8 being 13 seconds behind the ZL1 1LE with a 155HP deficit on a track like the Nurburgring is evidence that it isn't competitive with or able to best an "exotic". A lot would depend on the exotic and track in question.
Last edited by 99C5JA1; 08-25-2020 at 02:45 PM.
Reason: Wrong HP numbers
Has anyone on here driven a ZL1 1LE? Thoughts? I've been contemplating changing from a C8 to a 1LE simply for the fact it has a backseat and I can enjoy it with my kids vs. driving the C8 with 1 kid at a time. (I have young children).
Im a long time Corvette owner and have also owned my ZL1 1LE now for close to 2 years, I also bought it for the backseat to include the family in cruises and events. If you lived close I would let you come by and drive it. Ive had a few members reach out and have asked to take a ride from the Camaro forum and both ended up buying one. Backseat is small but works for small children, the car handles and performs as good as any Corvette with its only drawback would be 0-60 times are a little slower. You can get a loaded one in the low 70K range. I actually think its easier to handle then the Z06.
Some of that is true but the how the ZLE is amazing in its ability to brake late and its handling. There is a lot of down force that actually slows the car down on the straights. The only other American made sports car I have had that felt the same was my Z06. To each is own at the end of the day, I have never felt that I was above any car or any brand I just like some more then others.
Drag from aero is certainly a factor. I don't have the statistics for the ZL1 1LE acceleration at triple digit speeds, but with that sort of a power advantage I can't imagine it isn't substantially faster at getting to it's max speed.
I'm not in any way to trying to diminish how capable the ZL1 is in the handling or braking department just pointing out that the C8 is at considerable power disadvantage on a track with very long straights. The fact that it is so close to the non-1LE model is pretty impressive to me.
Has anyone on here driven a ZL1 1LE? Thoughts? I've been contemplating changing from a C8 to a 1LE simply for the fact it has a backseat and I can enjoy it with my kids vs. driving the C8 with 1 kid at a time. (I have young children).
I have and they ride pretty rough. About the only major differences between the ZL1 and the 1LE is a cradle bushing, tires, and the aero parts. The ZL1 makes a much better daily driver.
If you want to drive the 1LE in the rain the stock tires need to go ASAP. Even the ZL1 can benefit from different tires for daily driving. Only have 2100 miles on my ZL1 and there is a set of 4 Michelins PS4's in the workshop that will be mounted on Friday.
I have and they ride pretty rough. About the only major differences between the ZL1 and the 1LE is a cradle bushing, tires, and the aero parts. The ZL1 makes a much better daily driver.
If you want to drive the 1LE in the rain the stock tires need to go ASAP. Even the ZL1 can benefit from different tires for daily driving. Only have 2100 miles on my ZL1 and there is a set of 4 Michelins PS4's in the workshop that will be mounted on Friday.
Its also lighter, the shocks and very different, geared different, takes in more air to keep the temps down. They don't ride as rough as people say. trust me my wife would let me know but I'll second the tires Don't get caught in the rain with the GY's on. I also installed the PS4S's. I got caught in a very light drizzle once and the car did a 180 at 50mph, what amazed me was how easy it was to get it straight again but those tires are not made for the street. Save them for track days if thats your thing.
People get real here. Those times are better than Koenigsegg, Ferrais, Lamborghinis, 10 cylinder Audis and a whole host of other EXOTIC cars that SUCKERS still buy for top dollar. Are you people kidding that GM dosent make some of the worlds best sports cars ever seen on this planet? People are still trying to sell Ferraris 458 Italias for a half million dollars. Go figure that one out.
Here is a photo of mine. Had the front end, rockers, and the rear quarters covered with XPEL. Took awhile to find as I did not want a sunroof. Options include the A10, PDR, NAV, and carbon fiber hood insert. Paid $65K in Feb.
ZL1 and ZLE are also very competitive on slower, tighter tracks. Just a very well sorted out chassis and platform. Can't go wrong with a ZL1, ZLE, or C8. Just pick your favorite. Everybody wins here.
Here is a photo of mine. Had the front end, rockers, and the rear quarters covered with XPEL. Took awhile to find as I did not want a sunroof. Options include the A10, PDR, NAV, and carbon fiber hood insert. Paid $65K in Feb.
I knew the C8 had shortcomings, but I didn't consider it would be in the form of a lowly FE Camaro SPANKING it's ME DCT ***!
Thanks for the chuckle I laugh every time my 5000 pound SUV beats everything on the road from 0-60
I’m 147-0 and a lowly SUV versus
cars from 40K to 500K
The ZL1 is 250hp up on the C8, and its a heck of a car in its own right. The ring favors high hp cars to begin with, and the C8s times beat the 992 Carrera S as a PROTOTYPE car with Oliver Gavin who has limited Nurburgring race time. It matters greatly about seat time, like no other track in the world proffessional or not. Many locals are fast there because they know every inch of the track. What Jim Mero did there is legendary.
Originally Posted by 99C5JA1
But the Camaro ZL1 1LE is competing well with, and sometimes beating, exotics in test like C&D's Lighting Lap. So I'm not sure that the C8 being 13 seconds behind the ZL1 1LE with a 255HP deficit on a track like the Nurburgring is evidence that it isn't competitive with or able to best an "exotic". A lot would depend on the exotic and track in question.
They’re both 650hp, so 155hp more? Probably actually making less as more susceptible to heat pulling timing being forced induction and running WOT for over 7 minutes and the average speed is over 100 mph which the frontal area is much bigger on the ZL1. The C8 and ZL1 both have the same size rear tire though different brands.
08-24-2020, 04:14 PM
