How much heavier will the C8 Z06 be?
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My thoughts
Carbon fiber wheels, carbon body panels, heavier n/a dohc engine, carbon ceramic brakes. I believe they are attempting to make this thing lighter but it may be a wash with the base c8's weight.
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I'll say 100, so 3650lbs.
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Dah, and other than nit pickers who gives a fok? 100 lbs, 50 lbs, whatever? Get over the base model C8, it is what it is and your **** Miata ain't getting any better because you have issues with the base model C8. Dude, are you going to take a bridge when the Z06 knocks it out?
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It's a shame that cars keep getting heavier, but that is reality... the "GOOD STUFF"... rigid chassis, big brakes, big wheels and tires, and crash protection, and 16-way power seats, and cameras and lifts and sound deadening, and 18 speaker sound systems, all add weight.
I'm afraid, that if you assume the Z06 will have a DOHC FPC V8, the engine will probably weigh at least 50 lbs more than an LS2.... add bigger brakes, wheels and tires, and that's probably 8-10 lbs per corner.... body panels may be a wash, but that's close to 100 lbs... hard to "decontent" a car selling for a $20K+ premium.
Sure, you can cut this back with, say "Z07".... CC Brakes, CF wheels, "Sport seats", lux delete options.... a-la Porsche and Ferrari, but that looks like $15K on top of $85K base,.. a real stretch for most Corvette buyers.
I'm afraid, that if you assume the Z06 will have a DOHC FPC V8, the engine will probably weigh at least 50 lbs more than an LS2.... add bigger brakes, wheels and tires, and that's probably 8-10 lbs per corner.... body panels may be a wash, but that's close to 100 lbs... hard to "decontent" a car selling for a $20K+ premium.
Sure, you can cut this back with, say "Z07".... CC Brakes, CF wheels, "Sport seats", lux delete options.... a-la Porsche and Ferrari, but that looks like $15K on top of $85K base,.. a real stretch for most Corvette buyers.
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Dah, and other than nit pickers who gives a fok? 100 lbs, 50 lbs, whatever? Get over the base model C8, it is what it is and your **** Miata ain't getting any better because you have issues with the base model C8. Dude, are you going to take a bridge when the Z06 knocks it out?
Or TT FPC = 700+hp, and heavier than a base C8 stingray obviously, both will be significantly faster than the previous gen z06.
As far as price, people will buy it. Why? Because now the C8 has attracted exotic car owners. So even if let's say the haters say, "screw GM, i don't want any part of this C8, it's not a real corvette! There! Take that!", it won't even matter because the rich dudes will be like, "wow,so this is the new corvette huh? I see some ferrari and mclaren DNA in that car, i like it! I will add a C8 and park it next to my 488 and my 720S, it'll make a good collection!".
I'm getting one as soon as i'm able to. 1st year, 2nd year, i don't give a ****. Life is too short to complain, whine and bitch about little things. The future and greatest is here, the C8 generation. And i wanna be apart of it as soon as i can!
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Correction: The lightweighting philosophy/ethos started with the C5Z (titanium exhaust, lighter body, thinner glass, lighter wheels made in Italy, aluminum suspension components, non-EMT tires, reduced sound proofing, fixed rear radio aerial, lighter battery, etc.). The C6Z continued it.
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I wasn't aware the FPC's WERE exploding...Please post a link to this revelation.
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If the C8 Z06 (even with CF stuff) ends up weighing the same as a C8 Stingray, I will be amazed. I think it will be heavier.
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Sorry to break it to you- but power being equal, the lighter a car is, the more fun it is to drive and throw around in turns. Not to mention the performance advantage, which should be paramount for a proper sports car.
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The success of sales with the C5Z, C6Z, and Porsche 911 "RS" (lightweight) models suggests otherwise.
Sorry to break it to you- but power being equal, the lighter a car is, the more fun it is to drive and throw around in turns. Not to mention the performance advantage, which should be paramount for a proper sports car.
Sorry to break it to you- but power being equal, the lighter a car is, the more fun it is to drive and throw around in turns. Not to mention the performance advantage, which should be paramount for a proper sports car.
2012 Z06 sales were 4.1% of total Corvettes.
2018 Z06 sales were 28.9% of total Corvettes.
GM was smart, from a sales perspective, with the policy change for the C7 Z06. I doubt they have any intention of going back.
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You're a funny guy. Let me guess- the battery pack and motor will be in the front. That way your prediction that the C8 will be produced with both a ME and FE configuration will finally be correct.
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Dah, and other than nit pickers who gives a fok? 100 lbs, 50 lbs, whatever? Get over the base model C8, it is what it is and your **** Miata ain't getting any better because you have issues with the base model C8. Dude, are you going to take a bridge when the Z06 knocks it out?
For the umpteenth time, my issues with the C8 are no manual transmission, and I'm ambivalent about the design. It doesn't qualify as "ugly," but it doesn't make me go, "wow." Otherwise, it's a very impressive car for a bargain price.
I do love very light sports cars regardless of power output, because they are more fun to toss around, and weight is the issue being discussed here. The fact that you randomly decided to insult my "**** Miata" (which I never mentioned here) speaks volumes about your character/mental state, lack of perspective on sports cars, and comprehension of what makes them excel at what they are intended to do.
Again, I'll only respond to one of your posts when you decide to attack me again, regardless of how weak your attack is. The rest of your posts don't merit a response, and I can't remember a single case of you passing on useful info or saying anything else of interest.
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I have said it before...
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
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I would not be the least bit surprised to see the Z06 gain between 250-350 pounds. Maybe I'm wrong but the larger brakes, DOHC, etc will all add weight.
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That is sorrowful news. I thought for sure it was the other way around.
2012 Z06 sales were 4.1% of total Corvettes.
2018 Z06 sales were 28.9% of total Corvettes.
GM was smart, from a sales perspective, with the policy change for the C7 Z06. I doubt they have any intention of going back.
2012 Z06 sales were 4.1% of total Corvettes.
2018 Z06 sales were 28.9% of total Corvettes.
GM was smart, from a sales perspective, with the policy change for the C7 Z06. I doubt they have any intention of going back.
I don't care what they call it, "Z06-L" or otherwise, but there needs to be a lightweight version of the C8 high-performance variant. It seems they are going in this direction based on the Z06 test mules spotted with carbon fiber wheels, but let's hope there are additional lightweighting measures or optional packages as well.
Aside from the normal benefits of lightweighting when it comes to performance and fun factor, it's also the only chance the C8 has at taking the top spot for track records, and as they says "a rising tide lifts all boats" for the Corvette brand if this happens.
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I have said it before...
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
Makes total sense and GM has toyed with the idea with the Z06x concept of the 6th generation.
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I have said it before...
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
If I was running the Corvette program, in addition to the "regular" C8 Z06 (whenever it comes out), I would do a de-contented C8Z06 with lots of "added lightness", sell it for $140K and announce I'm only making 700 of them. They'd sell out in a day. People THRIVE on what they CAN'T have.
This is not anything clever...Porsche does it quite nicely with the GT cars, and the 5th Gen ACR's were the only 5th Gen Vipers that Dodge DID NOT have to discount to sell.
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