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#41
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I take exception to your statement "Best to order from the larger dealers who support the forum. Smaller Chevy dealers are just that. They have no concept when it comes to dealing with corvette customers."
We are a small dealer in the Treasure Coast area of Florida that had a C8 allocation of 71 units for the 2020 year. Some deposits were taken 3 years ago. We have delivered 7 C8s that were built before the current shutdown and have 25 more at 3000 or above. I handle communication with 85 potential owners on a regular basis and keep them informed of what is actually happening, not guesswork. (17 reservations for 2021 and 8 reservations for C8 Z06)
It is very frustrating not being able to answer questions about availability at this time. Who would of thought that every automobile manufacturer in the USA and Mexico would be closed indefinitely due to the Coronavirus. Our customers deserve answers but with little or no new information coming from the manufacturers until they know when startup will happen, I try my best.
Sorry for the long winded comment, but smaller dealers are able to do a good job as well.
We are a small dealer in the Treasure Coast area of Florida that had a C8 allocation of 71 units for the 2020 year. Some deposits were taken 3 years ago. We have delivered 7 C8s that were built before the current shutdown and have 25 more at 3000 or above. I handle communication with 85 potential owners on a regular basis and keep them informed of what is actually happening, not guesswork. (17 reservations for 2021 and 8 reservations for C8 Z06)
It is very frustrating not being able to answer questions about availability at this time. Who would of thought that every automobile manufacturer in the USA and Mexico would be closed indefinitely due to the Coronavirus. Our customers deserve answers but with little or no new information coming from the manufacturers until they know when startup will happen, I try my best.
Sorry for the long winded comment, but smaller dealers are able to do a good job as well.
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#42
Good one. Blame the buyer for the dealer AND GM not telling him where his order stands. No dealer had allocations when the ordering process was implemented for the car last summer, so how was he supposed to verify it before placing the order? Thousands of people gave dealers deposts before the car was formally introduced.
And forum dealers are no magicians. They just pay the forum to be forum sponsors. There are plenty of good dealers who are not forum sponsors. I've bought a total of seven Corvettes, six from the same dealer. They were, and still are an outstanding business that is now in its third generation of family ownership. But not a forum sponsor.
And forum dealers are no magicians. They just pay the forum to be forum sponsors. There are plenty of good dealers who are not forum sponsors. I've bought a total of seven Corvettes, six from the same dealer. They were, and still are an outstanding business that is now in its third generation of family ownership. But not a forum sponsor.
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By now? The dealers knew their allocation last July. I placed my deposit on July 20 and knew that day how many total the dealer had and where I was on the list.
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Was GM supposed to guess when the Strike would end?
Is GM supposed to guess when the virus is gone?
Does Mary have a magic crystal ball in her office she forgot to use?
Yah I read the thread. Explain to me how GM could have given us answers to "when" under these two circumstances. Even today we don't even know when the government will allow parts of the country to go back to work. And we don't know if parts suppliers from the US or Canada or Mexico will open either.
Now... IF it was their screw up that caused the delay then I would agree. But these were 2 external events that were out of their control.
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#46
I have cancelled my order. The order was originally placed in September, and never advanced past 1100. Every time I contacted GM, I was told only the Corvette Concierge service could help me - they could not. The Concierge simply told me to speak to the dealer, because only the dealer would know about its allocations. The dealer repeatedly stated it knew nothing about its allocations until it received them, and to speak to GM. Obviously, someone is lying unless allocations mysteriously appear from on high. This frustration occurred well before the strike and the virus. Given the car was meant to celebrate my 50th birthday, only 6 weeks away, I will not have it by then. I'll just keep driving my 2016 Camaro until I find a good one in a lot. The ordering process has only generated a foul experience of obvious deceipt.
Really? Complaining about at lack of information on two events that NO ONE had any information on? Isn't that exactly what the OP is claiming? How did I "misread" it?
Was GM supposed to guess when the Strike would end?
Is GM supposed to guess when the virus is gone?
Does Mary have a magic crystal ball in her office she forgot to use?
Yah I read the thread. Explain to me how GM could have given us answers to "when" under these two circumstances. Even today we don't even know when the government will allow parts of the country to go back to work. And we don't know if parts suppliers from the US or Canada or Mexico will open either.
Now... IF it was their screw up that caused the delay then I would agree. But these were 2 external events that were out of their control.
Was GM supposed to guess when the Strike would end?
Is GM supposed to guess when the virus is gone?
Does Mary have a magic crystal ball in her office she forgot to use?
Yah I read the thread. Explain to me how GM could have given us answers to "when" under these two circumstances. Even today we don't even know when the government will allow parts of the country to go back to work. And we don't know if parts suppliers from the US or Canada or Mexico will open either.
Now... IF it was their screw up that caused the delay then I would agree. But these were 2 external events that were out of their control.
So, as @rjktech pointed out, your initial response to the first post makes zero sense whatsoever.
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Edvossen. By the way, I love Stuart. For many years I had an off shore boat at Pirates Cove Marina. Perhaps I’ll stop in to see you when I’m in the area.
With an allocation of 71, I wouldn’t think you were a small dealer. I’m talking about the dealers that may only have an allotment of 2 or 3. Some don’t have A certified vette mechanic.
With an allocation of 71, I wouldn’t think you were a small dealer. I’m talking about the dealers that may only have an allotment of 2 or 3. Some don’t have A certified vette mechanic.
#50
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Wrong....Yesterday I heard an interview with a Senior GM Manager who stated GM decided to sell them at a lose. They committed to sell them to the federal government for $12,000 but it will cost them over $28,000 to build. $28,000 is the full burden cost of producing a ventilator.
#51
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Wrong....Yesterday I heard an interview with a Senior GM Manager who stated GM decided to sell them at a lose. They committed to sell them to the federal government for $12,000 but it will cost them over $28,000 to build. $28,000 is the full burden cost of producing a ventilator.
If Porsche was making them the base price would be $50,000 but you could not find one for under $70,000. The upside is the fit and finish would be outstanding.
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#52
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Wrong....Yesterday I heard an interview with a Senior GM Manager who stated GM decided to sell them at a lose. They committed to sell them to the federal government for $12,000 but it will cost them over $28,000 to build. $28,000 is the full burden cost of producing a ventilator.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...ek/ar-BB12zecZ
#53
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I take exception to your statement "Best to order from the larger dealers who support the forum. Smaller Chevy dealers are just that. They have no concept when it comes to dealing with corvette customers."
We are a small dealer in the Treasure Coast area of Florida that had a C8 allocation of 71 units for the 2020 year. Some deposits were taken 3 years ago. We have delivered 7 C8s that were built before the current shutdown and have 25 more at 3000 or above. I handle communication with 85 potential owners on a regular basis and keep them informed of what is actually happening, not guesswork. (17 reservations for 2021 and 8 reservations for C8 Z06)
It is very frustrating not being able to answer questions about availability at this time. Who would of thought that every automobile manufacturer in the USA and Mexico would be closed indefinitely due to the Coronavirus. Our customers deserve answers but with little or no new information coming from the manufacturers until they know when startup will happen, I try my best.
Sorry for the long winded comment, but smaller dealers are able to do a good job as well.
We are a small dealer in the Treasure Coast area of Florida that had a C8 allocation of 71 units for the 2020 year. Some deposits were taken 3 years ago. We have delivered 7 C8s that were built before the current shutdown and have 25 more at 3000 or above. I handle communication with 85 potential owners on a regular basis and keep them informed of what is actually happening, not guesswork. (17 reservations for 2021 and 8 reservations for C8 Z06)
It is very frustrating not being able to answer questions about availability at this time. Who would of thought that every automobile manufacturer in the USA and Mexico would be closed indefinitely due to the Coronavirus. Our customers deserve answers but with little or no new information coming from the manufacturers until they know when startup will happen, I try my best.
Sorry for the long winded comment, but smaller dealers are able to do a good job as well.
Just a question -- how are you handling the 2021's since like many of your 2020 buyers will be getting a 2021. Are you using date of deposit as the line order.
#54
From what I have been told, the "celebrities" used a loophole in the order process by selecting the Custom VIN option (RPO PIN Customer VIN ending reservation 1 - This option is subject to restrictions and approval. NOT AVAILABLE on all VINs. Available on SOLD orders only.). This is a $5000 option. You are given available VIN ending numbers to choose from. Select an early VIN, get you car early).
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This is a good point, why do they think absolutely anyone on here cares why they hate GM and are out?
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Really? Do you think $489.4M is substantial to a multi billion dollar company? How much is it costing them to produce those ventilators? They're getting $16,313 per ventilator and it has been said that their cost to produce them exceeds that.
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Pease show us where -- anywhere -- the OP points ANY blame on GM for delivery hiccups associated with the shutdown of the country due to COVID-19? In fact, he deliberately makes a point to clearly state, that the nonsense he is alluding to is pre-shutdown (I have highlighted it for you).
So, as @rjktech pointed out, your initial response to the first post makes zero sense whatsoever.
So, as @rjktech pointed out, your initial response to the first post makes zero sense whatsoever.
So he placed his order in Sept (actually I did mine in August).
Do you know the day of the strike? Sept 15th. He's complaining about a lack of information on his 1100 status for the first 10 days? I could be wrong but I don't think ANYONE got a "status change" in September.
Then the strike finally ended on Oct 25th. GM had no advance warning it would end that date. They had to do the research to see how they could ramp up again. And they had to clear out old C7's first.
Then it was the GM UAW holiday around Christmas
Then the country came to a halt in Feb/ March
So where is this great frustration coming from? From stuff GM had (and has) no idea when it would end.
I would agree that IF it was a normal situation waiting for 7 months to get a change in status would be terrible. And I also agree most GM dealers haven't a clue. But I fail to see the point of posting here "frustration" when the entire country is frustrated it can't even take a freaking walk in a park.
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