C8.R redline?
#21
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#22
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Sounds bad *** on down shift though. I’m sure it would sound great at higher RPMs too.
I think a FPC would go great with the C8’s modern ME platform and DCT. Could this be development work and homologation for the C8Z? I hope so.
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vettesweetnos (01-27-2020)
#23
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I think one thing not taken into consideration here is fuel use. They could very well be short shifting a little to conserve fuel (pretty common and very important in endurance racing) as well as protect the engine as a whole.
Reading this thread as well as the larger Daytona conversation thread, people seem to think the drivers and teams are (or should) be running at 100% lap after lap... that's not the way it works.
Reading this thread as well as the larger Daytona conversation thread, people seem to think the drivers and teams are (or should) be running at 100% lap after lap... that's not the way it works.
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#24
Um, no...
All you did was to prove my ear is TRAINED. Because all I did was to question how high the engine revved. I asked the redline in C8R. And the answer, 7400rpm, supported my belief that it does not rev high.
i did not bash the car nor criticized it. You took everything I said in the wrong. It was merely a fact finding question.
i did not bash the car nor criticized it. You took everything I said in the wrong. It was merely a fact finding question.
So given the facts - which you weren't actually seeking to find, but were provided, what then, is your opinion of the Ferrari's FPC engine in IMSA form? Is it an inferior engine to the C8R's, since it doesn't "redline" as high?
As for the Corvette race car, no one other than members of IMSA, Corvette Racing Team and the engineers who developed the C8R, and top level GM members know the true redline and capabilities of the C8R's engine. Nor are they going to publicly announce them at this point, if ever.
Since you weren't actually fact-finding in your OP or subsequent posts, and were just spewing negative speak, why not just say what you're really thinking, which I infer to be "If a road-going C8 Corvette Z06 / ZR1 / Zora, or whatever its called, releases with a flat plane crank engine, and it doesn't rev to at least 8500 rpm, it will not be a high-revving car, IMO. A disappointment if so, IMO." And many here, whose experience with Corvettes is likely with cars redlining at or below 7000 rpm, will disagree with you, once we know the facts about the actual car. Some may agree with you as well.
#25
Melting Slicks
From:
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/...e-crankshafts/
Crossplane Crankshaft Disadvantages: Heavier (harder to rev), requires larger crankcase.
Flat Plane Crankshaft Advantages: Lighter, more compact, more responsive (high-revving), better exhaust scavenging.
Flat Plane Crankshaft Disadvantages: Prone to vibration, lower torque levels.
There is good reasons to go FPC over CPC, but it there are drawbacks too. I prefer the FPC rev capability...there is something to be said about how fast they can change crank velocity.
https://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/...e-crankshafts/
The Bottom Line
Crossplane Crankshaft Advantages: Smooth, vibration-free performance; distinctive American muscle car burble.Crossplane Crankshaft Disadvantages: Heavier (harder to rev), requires larger crankcase.
Flat Plane Crankshaft Advantages: Lighter, more compact, more responsive (high-revving), better exhaust scavenging.
Flat Plane Crankshaft Disadvantages: Prone to vibration, lower torque levels.
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CorvettoBrando (01-27-2020)
#28
Melting Slicks
There’s definitely a reason to spin it higher. Higher rpms allow lower gear ratios while accelerating, effectively creating more power to the ground. How does a GT3 with 500 hp and only 338 ft/lb of torque run 127 mph in the quarter mile? Lower gears with a 9K redline.
Pretty sure it’s a limit set by IMSA to balance competition and improve durability. Maybe someone with more knowledge about the rules can clarify.
Pretty sure it’s a limit set by IMSA to balance competition and improve durability. Maybe someone with more knowledge about the rules can clarify.
Last edited by quick04Z06; 01-27-2020 at 03:05 PM.
#29
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#30
If GM plans to get over 650 hp in the Z06 from a NA engine its going to have to rev to the moon to get it. So its either higher revs than 7400 or it will need turbos IMO. If it is NA 5.5L it wont be the low end torquey monster we’ve become accustomed to IMO regardless of the “exotic aspect” of the flat plane DOHC.
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2slow2speed (01-28-2020)
#32
I fail to see how cranks with equal stroke would be too different. We are not talking partially counter weighted cast factory cranks but full center weighted forgings here. Should be minimal counterweight circumference swinging around.