Track comparison between Corvette C8 and GT500
12-19-2019, 02:21 AM
#161
This is pickles dressed in tuxedos to bananas wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Freaking stupid comparison. And the bonehead above thinking the timing of this is causing a bankruptcy-level crisis for GM? Look at the sales genius. This is just media A-holes needing to find something to write about month to month so they lay this turd on us? No.
12-19-2019, 03:17 AM
#162
Just because the times don't fit with your agenda it is a no comparison. The same way C8 fan boys compare the base C8 to Mclarens, lamborghini, ferrari, I guess those are the right comparisons.
I am not a Ford fan but I am not biased to tell it how it is. People out their reading the car news just read new revolutionary C8 gets bested by the new Ford GT500.
Which sucks as I am a corvette fan.
So how many sales are a done deal since you know the numbers? Last I heard they are not sold out. Refundable deposits is not a sale, genius.
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12-19-2019, 06:01 AM
#163
Melting Slicks
Chevy ain’t even going to put forged wheels on a corvette let alone carbon fiber...
12-19-2019, 09:49 AM
#164
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Not all dealers charge ADM... at least not to all customers. I was offered a 350R at MSRP and a Raptor at MSRP as well by my dealer. I'm sure if I called about a 500 (including the CFTP) they would let it go at MSRP. It's all about the relationship and what the dealer stands to lose if they get greedy.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/2020-fo...-shelby-169999
A dealer in California asking $169,999 for a mostly no additional options GT500. Yikes!
Article also says they saw a nearly loaded ($108,000 MSRP) GT500 in Virginia listed for $145,890. Yikes again.
12-19-2019, 09:54 AM
#165
Most important item in this equation for me is: in order to get a C8 at the build level to compete with the GT500 on the track it needs the handling and Z51 package which pushes the price above $80K - I'm not spending $80K for a naturally aspirated engine to come in second to a GT500 SC'ed engine for more money - So if you want to pay more to be second have at it ...!!! Base GT500 without the ridiculous dealer mark ups is $72K
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12-19-2019, 09:58 AM
#166
Burning Brakes
^^^What?? C8 is 60K. The z51 package IS the handling package and that is 5k. So 60+5=65. How are you getting 80k?!?!
Edit: If you also want the mag ride, thats 1800. Still a long way from 80k
Edit: If you also want the mag ride, thats 1800. Still a long way from 80k
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12-19-2019, 10:03 AM
#167
Most important item in this equation for me is: in order to get a C8 at the build level to compete with the GT500 on the track it needs the handling and Z51 package which pushes the price above $80K - I'm not spending $80K for a naturally aspirated engine to come in second to a GT500 SC'ed engine for more money - So if you want to pay more to be second have at it ...!!! Base GT500 without the ridiculous dealer mark ups is $72K
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12-19-2019, 11:10 AM
#168
Safety Car
Speaking of ADM, I saw this article this morning:
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/2020-fo...-shelby-169999
A dealer in California asking $169,999 for a mostly no additional options GT500. Yikes!
Article also says they saw a nearly loaded ($108,000 MSRP) GT500 in Virginia listed for $145,890. Yikes again.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/2020-fo...-shelby-169999
A dealer in California asking $169,999 for a mostly no additional options GT500. Yikes!
Article also says they saw a nearly loaded ($108,000 MSRP) GT500 in Virginia listed for $145,890. Yikes again.
12-19-2019, 11:20 AM
#169
Called it. The GT500 is a flipper car, and regardless of what its offered at the average price is nowhere near 70k. We have seen it with GT3 rs or the ultimate flipper car the GT2 rs. They sell them when the wall street bonuses are given every year.
12-19-2019, 11:37 AM
#170
Banned Scam/Spammer
I've never seen so much Corvette and general GM hatred in 15 years on this forum. Is the C8 that gorgeous and are the performance stats impressive enough to cause the 911 Fanboys along with the diehards of previous Corvette generations to burst forth with absolute stupidity that is well demonstrated in quite a number of threads as of late?
12-19-2019, 11:44 AM
#171
And since they are, comparing Performance numbers is fine IMO.
However, that's where the comparison ends....
A Corvette isn't an Exotic...
12-19-2019, 11:50 AM
#172
Neither is any 911. The RS models are actually factory TUNER CARS from Porsche motorsports. If Corvette racing put out a car it would be the same thing. The 918 came from a small group in Porsche as well.
12-19-2019, 12:04 PM
#173
Burning Brakes
Most important item in this equation for me is: in order to get a C8 at the build level to compete with the GT500 on the track it needs the handling and Z51 package which pushes the price above $80K - I'm not spending $80K for a naturally aspirated engine to come in second to a GT500 SC'ed engine for more money - So if you want to pay more to be second have at it ...!!! Base GT500 without the ridiculous dealer mark ups is $72K
I just went to Chevy's website and did a 1LT build with the Z51 package, and the Z51 performance suspension with Magnetic Selective Ride Control. Price? $66,890.Net Price, and it will do the exact same time as the 3LT Z51 car Randy tested. There's a big f*cking difference from "above $80K" and $66,890.By the way...The Shelby GT500 with NO options? $73,900, and best of luck trying to find it at that price.
Sorry, but at least get your facts straight if you're gonna post something.
At the end of the day, both are amazing cars for the $$$.
12-19-2019, 12:41 PM
#174
I got 71K vs 72K for a Z51 with mag and PDR and base GT500.
When comparing the similar price points, then there's a 1s gap.
Depending on your perspective, its really cool that a 495hp car is within 1s of a 760hp car, or it is really stupid that a 760hp car only gains you 1s over the 495hp car.
I think the C8 is the more accessible car but we'll see at end of year how many z51 cars get made versus gt500 cars. (There's also that nasty dealer markup problem ford has)
When comparing the similar price points, then there's a 1s gap.
Depending on your perspective, its really cool that a 495hp car is within 1s of a 760hp car, or it is really stupid that a 760hp car only gains you 1s over the 495hp car.
I think the C8 is the more accessible car but we'll see at end of year how many z51 cars get made versus gt500 cars. (There's also that nasty dealer markup problem ford has)
Last edited by SladeX; 12-19-2019 at 12:41 PM.
12-19-2019, 01:37 PM
#175
I got 71K vs 72K for a Z51 with mag and PDR and base GT500.
When comparing the similar price points, then there's a 1s gap.
Depending on your perspective, its really cool that a 495hp car is within 1s of a 760hp car, or it is really stupid that a 760hp car only gains you 1s over the 495hp car.
I think the C8 is the more accessible car but we'll see at end of year how many z51 cars get made versus gt500 cars. (There's also that nasty dealer markup problem ford has)
When comparing the similar price points, then there's a 1s gap.
Depending on your perspective, its really cool that a 495hp car is within 1s of a 760hp car, or it is really stupid that a 760hp car only gains you 1s over the 495hp car.
I think the C8 is the more accessible car but we'll see at end of year how many z51 cars get made versus gt500 cars. (There's also that nasty dealer markup problem ford has)
The Ford GT-500 is $72,900 (EXCLUDING DESTINATION)
So the real difference is $73K vs. $66K - It's a $7K spread.
12-19-2019, 01:46 PM
#176
Instructor
Aside from the online dick measuring contests, does it really matter which car is quicker around a race track? Exactly no one is going race either car professionally, at least not without serious modifications. Both are extremely capable cars that go about turning a lap differently. You can enjoy, appreciate, or respect both cars for their capabilities.
12-19-2019, 01:49 PM
#177
Aside from the online dick measuring contests, does it really matter which car is quicker around a race track? Exactly no one is going race either car professionally, at least not without serious modifications. Both are extremely capable cars that go about turning a lap differently. You can enjoy, appreciate, or respect both cars for their capabilities.
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12-19-2019, 02:06 PM
#178
We just had confirmation the GT500 is not available at cost. If we get a production number with purchase prices from dealers then we must assume this car is far north of 100k. This was either done on purpose or the reports of dealer markups are exaggerated. It simply dosent matter what they say the price is when markups are 100k more. This was done on purpose by Porsche for their RS models to keep them exclusive even though the demand was there. Ford selling 400k cars in the past makes me suspicious of their intent. The real question is why motortrend picked the C8 when a 2020 Zl1 1le is the natural competitor and pretty close to Fords offer.
12-19-2019, 02:11 PM
#179
We just had confirmation the GT500 is not available at cost. If we get a production number with purchase prices from dealers then we must assume this car is far north of 100k. This was either done on purpose or the reports of dealer markups are exaggerated. It simply dosent matter what they say the price is when markups are 100k more. This was done on purpose by Porsche for their RS models to keep them exclusive even though the demand was there. Ford selling 400k cars in the past makes me suspicious of their intent. The real question is why motortrend picked the C8 when a 2020 Zl1 1le is the natural competitor and pretty close to Fords offer.
12-19-2019, 02:31 PM
#180
Melting Slicks
We just had confirmation the GT500 is not available at cost. If we get a production number with purchase prices from dealers then we must assume this car is far north of 100k. This was either done on purpose or the reports of dealer markups are exaggerated. It simply dosent matter what they say the price is when markups are 100k more. This was done on purpose by Porsche for their RS models to keep them exclusive even though the demand was there. Ford selling 400k cars in the past makes me suspicious of their intent. The real question is why motortrend picked the C8 when a 2020 Zl1 1le is the natural competitor and pretty close to Fords offer.