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Old 11-12-2019, 07:35 AM
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11-12-2019, 08:54 AM
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They did it wrong, they KNEW it was wrong, and they still published it for CLICKS.
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Then it's settled!!
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As they say,"It was fun while it lasted!"
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So after reading how the are incompetent. They come back and say, well yes, it does what Chevrolet certified it would do....
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Thanks for the post!
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Gawd forbid that they would have figured out where their errors were before publishing!
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:54 AM
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Idiots. It'd be nice if my C3 had the magical default its a manual they all have the same pull it out of the air 15% power lose. Idiots.

First MT....R&T.....just a couple of junk bird cage liner publications.

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Already posted in response #269 in the original thread - https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...esults-14.html
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My experience with dyno's has made me skeptical of numbers that are seemingly pretty far off. I now take mine to the same guy and we use the same settings every time to measure changes. I have had it on other dyno's in the past and there was no consistency. That's why I now use only one. When I saw the numbers for the C8 it just made me chuckle a little knowing they were wrong and it was more than likely dyno operator error. I am quite surprised a magazine would print their supposed findings before verification of the accuracy of the dyno. IMO the unusually high numbers should have thrown up a red flag.
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They did it wrong, they KNEW it was wrong, and they still published it for CLICKS.
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Old 11-12-2019, 08:58 AM
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A dyno is simply an assessment tool & with any assessment for valid & reliable results it must be done under the same conditions every time. As soon as one variable changes the comparison is no longer valid.

That’s why all the dyno number chest-thumping is irrelevant.
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They only did this because of the blowback they got on what was obviously complete BS.

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They got exactly what they wanted out of it. Tons of click bait and traffic to their site. Now they are getting even more people clicking on that link.

This behavior won't stop, and all we do is reward it.
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Originally Posted by OnPoint
They only did this because of the blowback they got on what was obviously complete BS.
You're thinking without anyone calling them out for the BS they would have let the false numbers ride as fact? Wow. Possibly.
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You're thinking without anyone calling them out for the BS they would have let the false numbers ride as fact? Wow. Possibly.
Uh, yeah, they would have. That was precisely their plan, too.
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Motor trend did the corvette team a favor to distract from some other dying magazine last breath hiring a journalistic hack who inappropriately reported on an early prototype pre production car ...in a bad light.

In this industry you dont take a unfinished product to task as a professional courtesy. Traditionally a reporter should acknowledge the early state of fine tuning in the early drive reports in those areas the engineers state are still undergoing final tuning and then once completed to the manufacturers final and full specifications then retest and publish a full road test calling out the good the bad and the ugly.

a true professional knows this ...todays contract staff at dying publications in print media are desperate. It was not motor trend that should be the point of your dissatisfaction.

Motor trends efforts was actually a public relations move to recenter the narrative of some other publications inability to follow the norms of testing unfinished products stated as such by the accompanying corvette engineers.

i actually applaud motor trends value to serve a manufacturer and the public who was improperly wronged by a failing publication that shall remain nameless.

of course we all knew the dyno numbers at motor trend were ridiculous so no harm done.

all Motor trend did was show the ridiculousness of hard testing such an early unfinished product. Something one of its so called competitors who is on their last breath did. Not caring what message it sent to the public.


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Originally Posted by JerriVette
Motor trend did the corvette team a favor to...
If you really believe this load of tripe that you just wrote, then I seriously pity you. No "favor" was done by Motor Trend.
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Originally Posted by JerriVette
Motor trend did the corvette team a favor to distract from some other dying magazine last breath hiring a journalistic hack who inappropriately reported on an early prototype pre production car ...in a bad light.

In this industry you dont take a unfinished product to task as a professional courtesy. Traditionally a reporter should acknowledge the early state of fine tuning in the early drive reports in those areas the engineers state are still undergoing final tuning and then once completed to the manufacturers specifications then publixh a full road test calling out the good the bad and the ugly.

a true professional knows this ...todays contract staff at dying publications in print media are desperate. It was not motor trend that should be the point of your dissatisfaction.

Motor trends efforts was actually a public relations move to recenter the narrative of some other publications inability to follow the norms of testing unfinished products stated as such by the accompanying corvette engineers.

i actually applaud motor trends value to serve a manufacturer who was improperly wronged by a failing publication that shall remain nameless.

of course we all knew the dyno numbers at motor trend were ridiculous so no harm done.

all Motor trend did was show the ridiculousness of hard testing such an early unfinished product. Something one of its so called competitors who is on theor last breath did. Not caring what message it sent to the public.
Who wronged GM?

It's not like GM gave them a "prototype" before the car was even released. They're testing preproduction models. It's on GM to make sure the car is up to task.

You fanboys are ridiculous with some of this stuff. It's perfectly okay for a car to be great and still have valid criticisms against it. Stop being so thin-skinned about a car you don't even own. I doubt GM is.
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
They did it wrong, they KNEW it was wrong, and they still published it for CLICKS.
Right, I mean even if they thought they did it right their numbers were so obviously wrong that they should have never published the article. They definitely knew what they were doing when they published the article and knew it would generate a ton of hits and discussion.

I just don't think these types of magazines/sites really care about their reputation anymore. And it's not just here, this "must publish click bait story regardless of the fact checking and obvious discrepancies" happens in main media.


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