C8 Z51 weight confirmed by MotorTrend: 3,587lbs (+151lbs vs C7)
10-15-2019, 12:13 AM
#81
Le Mans Master
You guys said you wanted 14 speakers in a 2 seat sports car.
10-15-2019, 01:19 AM
#83
Race Director
I don't even know why people insist on using the 911 for comparison. A 2+2, rear engine design!
The most comparable model to the C8 is the Cayman - 2 seat, mid-engine, starting price of $58,000.00. The Cayman GT4 weighs under 3,200 lbs (with massive iron brakes) has 415 HP, front trunk, rear trunk, similar performance, starting price under $100K.
So yes, why does the aluminum/SMC C8 Z51weighs ˜400lbs more than the steel structure Cayman with similar HP, bigger brakes, etc?
The most comparable model to the C8 is the Cayman - 2 seat, mid-engine, starting price of $58,000.00. The Cayman GT4 weighs under 3,200 lbs (with massive iron brakes) has 415 HP, front trunk, rear trunk, similar performance, starting price under $100K.
So yes, why does the aluminum/SMC C8 Z51weighs ˜400lbs more than the steel structure Cayman with similar HP, bigger brakes, etc?
Didn't we already go thru this a month ago?
If you want to compare $58K to $60K C8, then 300 hp with 3200# won't match well with 495 HP and 3600# C8.
Last edited by AzDave47; 10-15-2019 at 01:20 AM.
10-15-2019, 01:42 AM
#84
Race Director
10-15-2019, 04:48 AM
#86
Melting Slicks
First you are not getting a new GT4 for less than 100k.
Second the performance will not be equal. C8 Z51>GT4. GT4 gearing just plain sucks and no PDK option.
Third maybe Porsche needs to add some more weight in structural reinforcements to the GT4?? Do some research on front strut tower failures......
I would own a new GT4 if they had addressed some of the current shortcomings HP/torque, gearing, strut tower redesign......and how about a PDK option?? Disappointing for the $$ but I guess they have to neuter the GT4 for fear of being a better car than the 911.
Second the performance will not be equal. C8 Z51>GT4. GT4 gearing just plain sucks and no PDK option.
Third maybe Porsche needs to add some more weight in structural reinforcements to the GT4?? Do some research on front strut tower failures......
I would own a new GT4 if they had addressed some of the current shortcomings HP/torque, gearing, strut tower redesign......and how about a PDK option?? Disappointing for the $$ but I guess they have to neuter the GT4 for fear of being a better car than the 911.
10-15-2019, 09:35 AM
#87
Race Director
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10-15-2019, 11:36 AM
#88
It's not horrible... but the C5 and C6 Z06s were 3,100 lb cars... then the C7 was coming out and we heard about all these light-weight technologies and the Z51 was 3444... then we got used to it and now another 150lbs isn't "that bad" and we're at 3,600 lbs. It's like a frog in water slowly turning up the heat. When the hybrid TT one comes out it'll be 4,200 lbs and we'll be like, "but it has 900 horse"...
10-15-2019, 11:45 AM
#89
Race Director
It's not horrible... but the C5 and C6 Z06s were 3,100 lb cars... then the C7 was coming out and we heard about all these light-weight technologies and the Z51 was 3444... then we got used to it and now another 150lbs isn't "that bad" and we're at 3,600 lbs. It's like a frog in water slowly turning up the heat.
When the hybrid TT one comes out it'll be 4,200 lbs and we'll be like, "but it has 900 horse"...
When the hybrid TT one comes out it'll be 4,200 lbs and we'll be like, "but it has 900 horse"...
I'm guessing 3.6 seconds to 60MPH and 10.9 Qtr, for an MSRP around $100k without dealer markup.
Last edited by Tennis & Golf Nut; 10-15-2019 at 11:50 AM.
10-15-2019, 10:04 PM
#90
Now we know the weights of the C8 cars tested by the magazines and the news is even worse. The C8 now weighs the same as my all-steel, 4seat, Camaro SS 1LE.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
10-15-2019, 10:13 PM
#91
Now we know the weights of the C8 cars tested by the magazines and the news is even worse. The C8 now weighs the same as my all-steel, 4seat, Camaro SS 1LE.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
Last edited by Kappa; 10-15-2019 at 10:13 PM.
10-16-2019, 06:25 PM
#92
thanks
10-16-2019, 07:03 PM
#93
Safety Car
Now we know the weights of the C8 cars tested by the magazines and the news is even worse. The C8 now weighs the same as my all-steel, 4seat, Camaro SS 1LE.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
MotorTrend: 3,622 lbs
Car and Driver: 3,647 lbs
Road and Track: 3,647 lbs
And all report disappointing braking performance with the supposedly wonderful mid-engine placement doing absolutely nothing to improve braking distance or feel.
Last edited by SBC_and_a_stick; 10-16-2019 at 07:14 PM.
10-16-2019, 08:44 PM
#94
It makes little to no difference. But that was the argument used by the chevy battered wives crowd in here as to why the C8 only needed tiny brakes in the front. They claimed with mid-engine placement the front brakes only needed to be that tiny to do the best job possible.
10-16-2019, 08:50 PM
#95
It makes little to no difference. But that was the argument used by the chevy battered wives crowd in here as to why the C8 only needed tiny brakes in the front. They claimed with mid-engine placement the front brakes only needed to be that tiny to do the best job possible.
I’d like to see that.
Last edited by Kappa; 10-16-2019 at 08:51 PM.