Getting a little annoyed with a few comments on the new C8 power plant
08-13-2019, 08:41 PM
#41
Racer
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You know. I’m really getting sick and tired of this form... the ignorant comments the attacks the minute I post an opinion or defend myself.... I just came on here expressing how some people are immature putting down the horse power on the new C8. I really don’t give a **** what people think of the new Corvette I’m happy with the one that I have! Let this thread die my opinion doesn’t mean nothing... and by the way I’m pretty sure if you were to ask the testers at General Motors what’s faster going to route a race track the new C8 or a ZL1 Camaro, I’m pretty sure they would say the Corvette would win.... but hey, what do I know..
Goodbye and good riddance
Goodbye and good riddance
08-13-2019, 08:50 PM
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08-13-2019, 09:23 PM
#43
495 Hp is more than enough for most people. However, 500 would’ve been better for marketing and I am not buying that adding 5 hp would’ve made it unreliable. Come on, do you really believe that? 5 hp? I think there’s another reason and I just don’t know what it is. Another poster mentioned that it could’ve been due to insurance rates, could be better for the cost to own numbers.
Again, 495 is great for a base car I am merely saying that adding another 5 hp to the spec sheet would’ve been better for marketing.
Again, 495 is great for a base car I am merely saying that adding another 5 hp to the spec sheet would’ve been better for marketing.
08-13-2019, 09:57 PM
#44
Safety Car
I was trying to avoid going there in one step, but yes, you are right.
Zero to 60 wise, the C8 has an effective HP above the 650 HP C7 Z06 and pretty close to the 755 HP C7 ZR1. Seems possible and maybe even probable that those numbers will also be easier to consistently achieve on the street in the C8 Z51.
Now curious as to how the zero to 100 numbers will work out. Interesting anyway.
Even more curious as to how fast and safe the C8 Z51 will be in Pobst’s hands at Laguna Seca. With the turn in capability, the acceleration, the DCT, the lowered CG, the revised e-diff, and the completely revised coil over front suspension some folks just might be in for a bit of a shock.
Zero to 60 wise, the C8 has an effective HP above the 650 HP C7 Z06 and pretty close to the 755 HP C7 ZR1. Seems possible and maybe even probable that those numbers will also be easier to consistently achieve on the street in the C8 Z51.
Now curious as to how the zero to 100 numbers will work out. Interesting anyway.
Even more curious as to how fast and safe the C8 Z51 will be in Pobst’s hands at Laguna Seca. With the turn in capability, the acceleration, the DCT, the lowered CG, the revised e-diff, and the completely revised coil over front suspension some folks just might be in for a bit of a shock.
08-13-2019, 10:02 PM
#45
In the C8 or any car it’s about the total systems synergy, not just the HP. In golf we talk about the loft of a given golf club. But what usually matters is the effective loft which refers to the optimal loft achievable when considering the impact of the other clubhead design factors.
So maybe consider what is in essence the effective HP of the C8.
Let’s say that the C8 Z51 at 495 HP can pull 1.0 g off the line and achieve 0-60 in 2.9 secs.
What would be the HP required for the C7 Z51 or the C6 Z51 to achieve those same numbers? Maybe 520+?? Let’s just say it works out to be 520.
That then is the effective HP of the C8 Z51 compared to the two previous gens. Again it’s the total performance that matters and why the C8 is such an engineering achievement.
So maybe consider what is in essence the effective HP of the C8.
Let’s say that the C8 Z51 at 495 HP can pull 1.0 g off the line and achieve 0-60 in 2.9 secs.
What would be the HP required for the C7 Z51 or the C6 Z51 to achieve those same numbers? Maybe 520+?? Let’s just say it works out to be 520.
That then is the effective HP of the C8 Z51 compared to the two previous gens. Again it’s the total performance that matters and why the C8 is such an engineering achievement.
08-13-2019, 10:06 PM
#46
The progression is normal and what we have seen in the past. Base engines, simply off the top of my head.
1984 - 205HP
1985 - 230HP (25HP, 12.1%)
1987 - 240HP (10HP, 4.34%)
1990 - 245HP (5HP, 2.03%)
1992 - 300HP (55HP, 22.45%)
1997 - 345HP (45HP, 15%)
2001 - 350HP (5HP, 1.5%)
2005 - 400HP (50HP, 14.3%)
2008 - 430HP (30HP, 7.5%)
2014 - 460HP (30HP, 7%)
2020 - 495HP (35HP, 7.6%)
I see nothing wrong with 495HP for the 2020.[/QUOTE]
Where did you get 2.8 0-60 from? They said the ZR1 is faster so 0-60 @ 2.8 sounds off.
08-13-2019, 10:11 PM
#47
Sir, you just encountered the human emotion known as jealousy. It stings so bad for some that they become idiotic keyboard warriors. Overwhelming majority are the crowd known as millennials. They're such retards they'd rather have 700HP and do 60MPH in 7.8 secs. vs a 495HP car do it in 2.8. Higher is better is how they think. This also proves they know nothing about engineering and design. These are the type of people that Tadge pops the floor with.
The progression is normal and what we have seen in the past. Base engines, simply off the top of my head.
1984 - 205HP
1985 - 230HP (25HP, 12.1%)
1987 - 240HP (10HP, 4.34%)
1990 - 245HP (5HP, 2.03%)
1992 - 300HP (55HP, 22.45%)
1997 - 345HP (45HP, 15%)
2001 - 350HP (5HP, 1.5%)
2005 - 400HP (50HP, 14.3%)
2008 - 430HP (30HP, 7.5%)
2014 - 460HP (30HP, 7%)
2020 - 495HP (35HP, 7.6%)
I see nothing wrong with 495HP for the 2020.
The progression is normal and what we have seen in the past. Base engines, simply off the top of my head.
1984 - 205HP
1985 - 230HP (25HP, 12.1%)
1987 - 240HP (10HP, 4.34%)
1990 - 245HP (5HP, 2.03%)
1992 - 300HP (55HP, 22.45%)
1997 - 345HP (45HP, 15%)
2001 - 350HP (5HP, 1.5%)
2005 - 400HP (50HP, 14.3%)
2008 - 430HP (30HP, 7.5%)
2014 - 460HP (30HP, 7%)
2020 - 495HP (35HP, 7.6%)
I see nothing wrong with 495HP for the 2020.
People keep reducing that number, lol. It'll be under 2 seconds before the car is released. C8 is packing some magic. LMAO
08-13-2019, 10:27 PM
#48
Team Owner
the only ones complaining about engine output are the ones who aren't going to buy one so who cares WTF they think.
08-14-2019, 08:54 AM
#49
Racer
This place is bad enough, so I don't know how anyone can tolerate normies on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. Comments from those places just make me weep for humanity, which is why I don't frequent them. We're truly in an "Idiocracy".
08-14-2019, 09:51 AM
#51
Drifting
I was on Instagram last night reading the comments and what people think of the new C8 mid engine Corvette. It make me shake my head when I’m reading so many comments like people think that the new Corvette is a total joke because it’s “only” making 495 Horse power. Yet these same gear heads seem to forget the car is also doing 0 to 60 under 3 seconds!
Its like unless a super car now a days is kicking out at least 600 HP or more more, people act like it’s only a six cylinder or something... and they also seem to forget for under $60,000 if you think you’re going to get a car starting out at 600 or 700 hp.... get real...
Any way I just wanted to rant about that.... my personal opinion on the new C8, it’s definitely more Ferrari/ McLaren exotic looking compare to the C7. This is only the base model Stingray also. But so far it doesn’t make me want to trade in my C7 GS to get one... I do think GM did a pretty nice job on it. I’d have to see one in person and even take one for a test drive that may change my mind to wanting to get one in the future 😎
Its like unless a super car now a days is kicking out at least 600 HP or more more, people act like it’s only a six cylinder or something... and they also seem to forget for under $60,000 if you think you’re going to get a car starting out at 600 or 700 hp.... get real...
Any way I just wanted to rant about that.... my personal opinion on the new C8, it’s definitely more Ferrari/ McLaren exotic looking compare to the C7. This is only the base model Stingray also. But so far it doesn’t make me want to trade in my C7 GS to get one... I do think GM did a pretty nice job on it. I’d have to see one in person and even take one for a test drive that may change my mind to wanting to get one in the future 😎
08-16-2019, 08:59 PM
#52
I moved from a C7/Z51 to a Camaro SS1LE with the same engine (5 fewer HP/TQ). My track times at lime rock are within 1 second for both cars. For 2-3 mile tracks withing 1.5 sec. In a ZL1 I'm 1-6 seconds faster per track than the C7Z51.
The C8 will be an awesome car, and I will absolutely own one. But it is not going to deliver endless orgasms like a $8 Walmart vibrator.
08-16-2019, 09:11 PM
#53
A low skilled driver in an automatic is as effective as an F1 driver accelerating when the wheels are pointed straight. So they can use 100% of the HP down the straight, and the corners are thrown away in effect.
It is ONLY high skilled drivers, and then ONLY on momentum tracks (e.g. Lime Rock) that a driver could be faster on a C8Z51 vs a C7ZR1, but even that is not likely at all.
So if you bet on the C8, you will lose by a mile to the ZR1. You will lose all your money. In fact, on a 30min session, it is possible the ZR1 would lap the C8.
08-16-2019, 09:41 PM
#54
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08-16-2019, 10:56 PM
#55
Actually false....please do some DD before making a statement like this one. First, the base 1lt will not do 0-60 under 3 seconds....sorry. As stated, you will need the Z51 package at the very least and after kicking in some other options, you are around $75K, not $60K. Sorry.
08-17-2019, 01:03 AM
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I don't disagree. However, a lot of younger people are driving late model CTS-V's and other high hp vehicles. It is more directed at them than those of us middle aged and older.