Under 7 minute Nurburgring time
08-01-2019, 01:06 PM
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I thought this as well, and was surprised but...low and behold...it is there. Only plausible explanation is that maybe the render predated some contract status and Pirelli was making a move? I also have to wonder, since you see the Trofeo R on some of the upper tier models like the P1, etc...possibly Michelin had to compete for a separate agreement to make a spec tire and Pirelli grabbed it? All speculation but...just sayin...internal in Gm there is a rendered of the C8 on carbons with Pzeros.
08-01-2019, 01:11 PM
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08-01-2019, 01:17 PM
#44
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No, I'm questioning why Ring times, especially as a benchmark, shouldn't matter because people don't race their car, but 0-60 and quarter mile times should. GM doesn't like releasing Ring times because until now, they couldn't hit the performance that would be expected. The second they start excelling there, the numbers will be plastered everywhere.
I could likewise make the argument that GM missed the boat by rating the engine at 495HP instead of something with a 5 in front of it, because HP is far more important than 0-60 and quarter mile times.
I could likewise make the argument that GM missed the boat by rating the engine at 495HP instead of something with a 5 in front of it, because HP is far more important than 0-60 and quarter mile times.
Better test: VIR. Laguna Seca, etc
08-01-2019, 01:18 PM
#45
Melting Slicks
You just can't seem to comprehend the FACT that the overwhelming majority of Corvette/Performance guys simply don't care about road course times and especially one on the other side of the world. Its not that they "shouldn't matter" it is that they don't matter to the vast majority of us. What part of that simple statement can't you process? Sorry but this is reality here whether you like it or not.
0-60 and quarter mile are powertrain benchmarks. Ring is a vehicle dynamics benchmark. Two different measurements, both important. Maybe not to you and yours, but to folks that care a bout sport cars in general, absolutely.
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08-01-2019, 01:27 PM
#46
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08-01-2019, 01:36 PM
#47
Le Mans Master
Actually, Bulkwheat!? ;)
And, not asking about a simply implied acronym speaks for itself, I'm afraid!
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08-01-2019, 01:39 PM
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08-01-2019, 01:51 PM
#49
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The things we do know is there will be a wide body version with higher hp. Since 2009 those higher HP, wide body versions have been available with CC brakes and Cup tires. With that in mind, a wide body, higher hp version of the current C8 with CC brakes and Cup tires should do very well around a track. The chance of getting a clean run at the Ring gets less and less every year it seems. Add to the fact, that as stated above, 0-60 and 1/4 miles times are something repeatable and meaningful to most buyers, whereas running their cars around the Ring for time, not much of a chance.
08-01-2019, 01:52 PM
#50
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Sorry bud, the reality you speak of is in your mind. If you constant want to compare yourself to other sports cars, you have to benchmark well against them, and whether you like it or not, the Ring times are a very real wold benchmark. One of many, 0-60 and quarter mile inclusive. You don't just get to cherry pick the ones you do well in.
0-60 and quarter mile are powertrain benchmarks. Ring is a vehicle dynamics benchmark. Two different measurements, both important. Maybe not to you and yours, but to folks that care a bout sport cars in general, absolutely.
0-60 and quarter mile are powertrain benchmarks. Ring is a vehicle dynamics benchmark. Two different measurements, both important. Maybe not to you and yours, but to folks that care a bout sport cars in general, absolutely.
08-01-2019, 03:11 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
going to need more than plain jane PZero's for sub 7 minutes
Trofeo R's or Cup 2 R's for sure -- that's what Lambo and the RS Porsches used to break 7 minutes
Trofeo's -- $2500 for a set of 4......Cup 2 R's -- $3500 for four tires.....
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08-01-2019, 03:21 PM
#52
Burning Brakes
Sub 7 minute Nurburgring time in a sub $60k car now that's funny 
Only way that's happening is whipping out the checkbook and writing in a bunch of zeros, junior
Only way that's happening is whipping out the checkbook and writing in a bunch of zeros, junior
08-01-2019, 03:45 PM
#53
Melting Slicks
I don't think people are inferring the base/Z51 car could do it, but rather the hi-po versions to come...i.e.- Z06/ZR1 variants if they make them...those will be closer to $100k probably.
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08-01-2019, 05:09 PM
#55
Le Mans Master
That's covered! ;)
GM's not setting times there anymore!
You play with that 3s 0-60 with cars costing 2 or 3 times as much.
Your unavailable racing tires and excess rear brake bill won't be a problem.
A ZL1 1le kind of time realistically with a Gebhradt is absolutely nailing it for all practical purposes!
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08-01-2019, 06:04 PM
#56
Team Owner
Where certain performance standards must be met, such as with the Corvette, GM contracts with the company who meets those specs.
For the C5 it was Goodyear, but not for the C6. Goodyear had the contract for the base C6 and Bridgestone developed the RE050A run flat trying to get the C6 Z06 contract(but failed to do so), so Goodyear got the contract for the C6 Z06 tires. But, in 2009, Michelin beat out Goodyear and got the contract for the ZR1 tires, while Goodyear remained the supplier for the base C6 and the Z06. Then when GM released the Z07 package, they used Michelin tires on the Z06/Z07.
08-01-2019, 06:05 PM
#57
Melting Slicks
Good to see that you are making progress here, looks as if you can acknowledge that this "Ring" business is important to those who are centered on road racing, You now only need to realize that there is an extremely small percentage of Corvette owners/enthusiasts who give a crap about road courses, lap times, blah, blah, blah. I mean seriously how often do you hear guys say "well you know Joe, car X posted a blah, blah, time at the Noodleburger Ring.
All these numbers are benchmarks. Theyre used to compare one vehicle to another, thats the whole reason they exist. If we wanna look realistically at this, no, I bet few overall Corvette buyers know or care about any of them. To those that do care, the Ring is yet another fairly common, relevant benchmark that is used in this regard. And those people are the type of people I like to think are buying the car, even if I know its far more likely they know all the brands of car polish and think original tires are a selling point fifteen years down the road
08-01-2019, 06:10 PM
#58
Please, tell me the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times of your Corvette right now. No looking it up, straight from memory. Cause I'm guessing theyre equally unimportant to most people.
All these numbers are benchmarks. Theyre used to compare one vehicle to another, thats the whole reason they exist. If we wanna look realistically at this, no, I bet few overall Corvette buyers know or care about any of them. To those that do care, the Ring is yet another fairly common, relevant benchmark that is used in this regard. And those people are the type of people I like to think are buying the car, even if I know its far more likely they know all the brands of car polish and think original tires are a selling point fifteen years down the road
All these numbers are benchmarks. Theyre used to compare one vehicle to another, thats the whole reason they exist. If we wanna look realistically at this, no, I bet few overall Corvette buyers know or care about any of them. To those that do care, the Ring is yet another fairly common, relevant benchmark that is used in this regard. And those people are the type of people I like to think are buying the car, even if I know its far more likely they know all the brands of car polish and think original tires are a selling point fifteen years down the road
08-01-2019, 06:16 PM
#59
Le Mans Master
But, they're not really feasible! ;)
There is no reason to believe any RWD on normal street tires can do it, PERIOD!
Furthermore!
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/19/...brid-variants/
Furthermore!
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/19/...brid-variants/
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08-01-2019, 07:22 PM
#60
Melting Slicks
There is no reason to believe any RWD on normal street tires can do it, PERIOD!
Furthermore!
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/19/...brid-variants/
Furthermore!
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/19/...brid-variants/
Kevin Estre also did it in a RWD GT3RS in 6:55
Both were on Cup 2 R's, so they are street tires...definitely not Michelin Blues or Pirelli DH's
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