There is a rift forming
07-20-2019, 04:20 PM
#21
Sounds like it can't/won't happen because the chassis is too close to the pedal box now.
07-20-2019, 04:25 PM
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Jeezus Christ. There is no rift. It's a car. Those who like it, the hype will die down by next week. For those who don't like it, will continue to not like it, but it fades into their memory and they won't care anymore. At the end of the day, it becomes just another car. Unfortunately, the fan boys have gone GT-R fanboy crazy on this car and that is prob what is egging the other side on. Got alot of sheep putting 100% of everything they got into Chevy's word. They will be disappointed. Will it be a bad *** car? Yes. Who cares. It's just another car in the evolutionary chain of the auto industry. There will be something better coming along to takes its place.
It's like social media creates these emotional challenges. Just like previous generations before it, the Corvette evolves and gains new buyers. When the C6 came out, many Corvette owners cried over the exposed head lights. When the C7 came out, many Corvette owners cried over the tail lights. In the end, you either move into a new model or stay with what you have. They are all Corvettes and they are all good and head of the class during their production run. Celebrate the change and the options. If you don't like the mid-engine, guess what?! You can still buy used or new (better hurry) front engine drive Corvettes.
07-20-2019, 04:30 PM
#23
Drifting
It's a Chevy, it's a Corvette and it's got a V8 in it! I'm perfectly happy with my C7 Z06, and I'm sure all the folks who get a C8 will be happy, too! No rift - just a great time to be a car guy or car girl!!!! Relax and enjoy!!!!
07-20-2019, 04:34 PM
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07-20-2019, 04:40 PM
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It seems that lots of MT advocates are moving to Porsche. The 718 GT4 is only offered with a MT; PDK is not even an option. The absence of PDK really hurts the performance of the GT4, but Porsche obviously knows its market since the best "deal" I could find on one was for $10K over sticker. Many dealers are requesting $20K ADMs. So it doesn't appear that Porsche dealers are having a problem selling MT GT4s.
07-20-2019, 04:50 PM
#26
It seems to me there is going to be this rift in Corvette enthusiasts: The C8 -- and everything before it.
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
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07-20-2019, 04:58 PM
#27
There's nothing new about this intro. It's been the same at every gen change.
07-20-2019, 05:01 PM
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Also the old compressors were boat anchors.
07-20-2019, 05:06 PM
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2018 Corvette production figures.
- Automatic transmissions outsold manuals once again at 78%.
07-20-2019, 05:09 PM
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But today's efficient compressors use much more than those 5hp short of 500hp that many were crying about (yes, that was SAE HP).
But an AC unit still adds weight and complexity (the antitheses of simplicity - one often quoted key argument for the manual), uses power, and - ahem - "gentrifies" the occupants, as do all the other power and convenience accessories.
I was happy that the C8 dumped power steering, though. But I guess we're stuck with power brakes. Wimps.
07-20-2019, 05:18 PM
#31
It's called "tribe behavior" or"us vs them"in social psychology. There is a Corvette tribe: Corvettes against all them. Then there are sub-tribes within the overall tribe. Manuals vs auto trans. Verts vs Coupes. Etc etc
The biggest segment of the sub tribe of trans by number are autos, about 80% according to GM at the reveal.
The key with tribes and sub-tribes is that the whole tribe will turn on a "them". So first you got to be an "us",a member of the Corvette tribe, then you can compete between sub-tribes. "Trolls" is an insult word labeling those who do not belong to the Corvette tribe but rather tribes such as "click counters" or "pity mes" or other such groups.
FYI I claim membership to the Corvette tribe starting on the forum in 2002 as I Bin Therbefor and more recently as Kodiak Bear with time out for membership in the Viper tribe. I also claim membership in the Brock Daytona Coupe Tribe, to say nothing of the Scarab tribe and Chaparral tribe and many other tribes. Starting in the early 1950s. I can recall being shocked when an friend's dad bought her a 54 convertible instead of a Vett because she wanted the seats to haul her friends.
By the by, there's also evidence that the sub-tribe competition is the most intense.
Now, can we get back to the C8 and some real healthy sub tribe competition?
The biggest segment of the sub tribe of trans by number are autos, about 80% according to GM at the reveal.
The key with tribes and sub-tribes is that the whole tribe will turn on a "them". So first you got to be an "us",a member of the Corvette tribe, then you can compete between sub-tribes. "Trolls" is an insult word labeling those who do not belong to the Corvette tribe but rather tribes such as "click counters" or "pity mes" or other such groups.
FYI I claim membership to the Corvette tribe starting on the forum in 2002 as I Bin Therbefor and more recently as Kodiak Bear with time out for membership in the Viper tribe. I also claim membership in the Brock Daytona Coupe Tribe, to say nothing of the Scarab tribe and Chaparral tribe and many other tribes. Starting in the early 1950s. I can recall being shocked when an friend's dad bought her a 54 convertible instead of a Vett because she wanted the seats to haul her friends.
By the by, there's also evidence that the sub-tribe competition is the most intense.
Now, can we get back to the C8 and some real healthy sub tribe competition?
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07-20-2019, 05:19 PM
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07-20-2019, 05:34 PM
#33
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It seems to me there is going to be this rift in Corvette enthusiasts: The C8 -- and everything before it.
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
The mustang community lost their mind with the S550 back when it dropped. The amount of "its not a mustang, its a euro car" was deafening. The Jeep crowd went bonkers with the latest version.
Every enthusiast community has this problem. Part of it is emotional buy in for what you own at the time, and a new thing somehow "threatening" that.
07-20-2019, 05:42 PM
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It seems to me there is going to be this rift in Corvette enthusiasts: The C8 -- and everything before it.
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
In fact, "Old School," is the automatic ONLY 1953 C1.
Folks, learn your Corvette history.. ..
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07-20-2019, 05:52 PM
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07-20-2019, 05:54 PM
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It seems to me there is going to be this rift in Corvette enthusiasts: The C8 -- and everything before it.
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Some just can't live with the idea of a car having a mid engine and no manual box.
Others think the previous way is old school old fashioned.
Maybe that was Chevy's point -- to bring in new buyers at the expense of the loyal Corvette crowd --but I wonder if this bridge can be gapped.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Corvette doesn’t seek to alienate any purchasers; it seeks to appeal to a far larger audience.
As a lifelong car enthusiast, and multiple Corvette owner, my buying perspective is characterized by purchasing what best meets my needs and wants. If it’s “old school” muscle, the 427 ci ‘67 coupe was fantastic. Exclusiveness was found in a ‘63 SWC. “Newer school” effortless performance was found in a ‘13 Anniversary ZR1. I’d hoped to secure a C7 ZR1 for more exclusive, high performance but that didn’t happen.
Hey, last year someone thought an ‘old school’ ‘63 Ferrari GTO was worth $70 million. They found what they were looking for.
As has been stated many times in different threads, relationally, persons possessing negative dispositions will continue to exist.
Enjoy today’s high performance vehicle landscape and buy the vehicle of your dreams...for today. Then dream BIGGER for tomorrow...and make that dream come true.
That’s what the Corvette Team is doing for us!!!
any way of adding that to a C6
07-20-2019, 06:10 PM
#39
Any monkey can push a gas pedal. Younger folks just lazy and do not car about being part of the car driving experience IMO. I will move to the Porsche unless GM comes to their senses and develops a Manual option for the C8 Z06 or GS in a few years.
Maybe for you. Most will move to a Porsche or other high end sports car that believes in the experience.
Maybe for you. Most will move to a Porsche or other high end sports car that believes in the experience.
Go ahead and move to Porsche (Carrera 2/4?), without knowing if the new GT3/GT3RS (that is the higher spec NA engine model) is not PDK only.
07-20-2019, 06:15 PM
#40
Drifting
Who the **** cares?
It is a car, either you like it and you buy it, or you don't.
I like the car, I'll buy the car. Do I care what anyone else thinks, no.
From being at 2 events I can tell you I am not a Corvette person. We did at the Corral at Road America one year. I have never seen a more **** retentive bunch in my life. I watched a guy get out of his C5 then use a towel to close the door and wipe the door, then he used said towel to open the hatch and close it. It was a 10 minute operation by the time he got done. I think he just forgot the perimeter tape at home to rope the car off.
When we said we drove our C7 750 miles to the track, and no we didn't wash it they were all aghast.
I saw this behavior repeated over and over. It was the worlds largest orchestrated car wash during the race. They all kept offering me cleaning products like it was water and we were stuck in the middle of the desert.
Those aren't car people to me, they are caretakers of a moving statue. That is what most Corvette people are.
It is a car, either you like it and you buy it, or you don't.
I like the car, I'll buy the car. Do I care what anyone else thinks, no.
From being at 2 events I can tell you I am not a Corvette person. We did at the Corral at Road America one year. I have never seen a more **** retentive bunch in my life. I watched a guy get out of his C5 then use a towel to close the door and wipe the door, then he used said towel to open the hatch and close it. It was a 10 minute operation by the time he got done. I think he just forgot the perimeter tape at home to rope the car off.
When we said we drove our C7 750 miles to the track, and no we didn't wash it they were all aghast.
I saw this behavior repeated over and over. It was the worlds largest orchestrated car wash during the race. They all kept offering me cleaning products like it was water and we were stuck in the middle of the desert.
Those aren't car people to me, they are caretakers of a moving statue. That is what most Corvette people are.
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