Lame 495 HP shocks me
07-22-2019, 09:33 AM
#201
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120-130 mph is not really up top though. Not for modern sports cars. This car should still trap 120's consistently. With a 0-60 of sub 3, that should easily be sub 12.
07-22-2019, 09:35 AM
#202
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I think there is a real possibility GM is purposely under rating the LT2. It could be for insurance reasons or it might be because they are still selling 2019 Z06s and if they announce the 2020 base having more HP than the 2019 Z06 then those 2019s will sit on the lot even longer than they are already.
In the end it stupid to be arguing over 5 HP. Anyone that walks into a Chevy dealer with the motivation and the means to buy a new Vette is not going to walk away because of a stupid number. The only people really concerned about 495 vs 500 are magazine writers and teenagers.
In the end it stupid to be arguing over 5 HP. Anyone that walks into a Chevy dealer with the motivation and the means to buy a new Vette is not going to walk away because of a stupid number. The only people really concerned about 495 vs 500 are magazine writers and teenagers.
07-22-2019, 11:02 AM
#203
Where did you see the 1/4 mile time?
If it runs 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and then proceeds to the 1/4 over 12 it's a dog on the top end.... slower than a C6Z in 1/4 mile and will get raped in a roll race by one. C6Z had 505 hp.
Has to run mid 11's at worst if under 3 sec 0-60.
If it runs 0-60 in less than 3 seconds and then proceeds to the 1/4 over 12 it's a dog on the top end.... slower than a C6Z in 1/4 mile and will get raped in a roll race by one. C6Z had 505 hp.
Has to run mid 11's at worst if under 3 sec 0-60.
07-22-2019, 11:08 AM
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Heck 0 to 60 in <3 seconds with RWD on 305 section width rear tires is crazy fast. Faster than my 3000 lb street rod with a 525 hp, 502 cid BB, 53% of it's weight on the rear wheels, a ridged TCI chassis with a 4 bar link Ford 9" rear and 16.5 inch section width Mickey Thompson tires (420 section width for those who can't convert!)…..I'm curious how they can have both clutches engaged delivering power in two gears, which appears they have for at least a few milliseconds! That was stated by a GM engineer in a video!
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07-22-2019, 06:52 PM
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GM's marketing strategy is different from yours. They always leave something on the table to induce repeat buyers as more powerful versions are released. It's a proven strategy. Many people who initially buy the 495(?) horsepower version will buy a new one when the 650(?) horsepower version is released.
07-22-2019, 07:09 PM
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GM could have easily squeezed another 5 hp out of this engine to make at least 500 HP. I think falling 5 HP short of 500 HP in year 2020 when 500 HP is hardly any thing these days was a mistake by GM, it would have bee a much stronger marketing strategy if the first year mid-engine vette made at least 500 HP, I mean come on GM made 505 HP back in 2006 with the C6 Z, and that was 14 years ago, I do think that was dumb on GM's part not to make at least 500 HP.
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07-22-2019, 07:09 PM
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Edit: I just realized I did not verify this info from another thread. stand by
Second Edit: Confirmed - https://media.chevrolet.com/media/ca...-corvette.html
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07-22-2019, 07:25 PM
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BTW.....my C7 was Torch Red....next would be Matrix Ceramic Grey with the high spoiler and all the Carbon Fiber pieces in 3LT trim. Sweet.
Last edited by Dr. ice; 07-22-2019 at 07:30 PM.
07-22-2019, 07:39 PM
#210
I wonder if there would have been as much "press" about the engine if the engine had broken the 500 "barrier". After all there is no such thing as bad publicity
I wonder what the car will test out at when some owners put it on other dynos.
I wonder if the insurance companies are happier with 495
Questions, questions, questions.
I wonder what the car will test out at when some owners put it on other dynos.
I wonder if the insurance companies are happier with 495
Questions, questions, questions.
07-22-2019, 07:44 PM
#211
Heck 0 to 60 in <3 seconds with RWD on 305 section width rear tires is crazy fast. Faster than my 3000 lb street rod with a 525 hp, 502 cid BB, 53% of it's weight on the rear wheels, a ridged TCI chassis with a 4 bar link Ford 9" rear and 16.5 inch section width Mickey Thompson tires (420 section width for those who can't convert!)…..I'm curious how they can have both clutches engaged delivering power in two gears, which appears they have for at least a few milliseconds! That was stated by a GM engineer in a video!
I am running a Tremec TKO-600 5MT with no nannies & with 1 foot wide 100 treadware NITTO 555R @ 315X35 drag radials. If I go over 1500 RPM to 1800 RPM on a hard launch & the traction is gone with the slightest mistake. I can make 60 in first so that is a benefit in reducing time with the MT.
Can hit this a lot but lower times take a 2000 RPM launch & lot of all the right factors coming together. Its a step on an egg shell thing to get the car off the line at that engine speed. Most of the cars in our group will not see WOT till someplace in third in a 1/4 mile run.
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07-22-2019, 07:49 PM
#212
Having said that, reliability will be key.
07-22-2019, 07:52 PM
#213
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Depends if your buying it to drive or wax I assume! The looks for me appear to be there on the C8, but more importantly, how is it holistically and how will it stack up from a fit and finish and quality standpoint. Also, the C8 is shrinking in interior dimensions from an already tight C7 for many people. The rear end is it’s exterior weakness in my opinion and the high button laden center console may pose its own set of drawbacks. Overall, I like what I see at this point. I would think $80-$85 would be a reasonable guess on a loaded Z51 based on the price of my last C7. Represents about a $45k savings to how I would spec a new 992. Cars like wives need to be the complete package.....not one trick ponies or just a pretty face.
BTW.....my C7 was Torch Red....next would be Matrix Ceramic Grey with the high spoiler and all the Carbon Fiber pieces in 3LT trim. Sweet.
BTW.....my C7 was Torch Red....next would be Matrix Ceramic Grey with the high spoiler and all the Carbon Fiber pieces in 3LT trim. Sweet.
07-22-2019, 07:57 PM
#214
Melting Slicks
Sure they can over deliver. Is much more common with forced induction though. 2020 Supra was way over.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/
07-22-2019, 08:44 PM
#217
Melting Slicks
BTW, I thought I put the wife/car analogy at your level. Guess I over estimated your cognitive abilities. I will aim lower the next time. My bad!
Last edited by Dr. ice; 07-22-2019 at 08:47 PM.
07-22-2019, 08:46 PM
#219
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There must be something wrong with me. I am satisfied with the 460 my C7 makes. I had a 2016 Scat Pak with a manual I traded for my C7. One of the cars I considered getting was a Hellcat with a manual. I test drive a couple of them. Guess what I figured out. The Scat Pak was more fun because I could actually use the power I had for 95% of the driving I did.....I don’t drive on a racetrack everyday.
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