What do you think will be GM's "big surprise" with the C8?
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07-07-2019, 12:40 PM
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07-07-2019, 01:06 PM
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I think you may be right and the car comes in under 70k for a base model in 1lt trim.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
Last edited by vetteman41960; 07-07-2019 at 02:07 PM.
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07-07-2019, 02:26 PM
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I think you may be right and the car comes in under 70k for a base model in 1lt trim.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
We recently checked out the local Audi dealer again and walked across the way and looked at the Porsche dealer. I guess I just don't get the deal with the 911 interior. They are quite Spartan and absolutely nothing to rave about when compared to what I had in my '16 Z06. I do not how ever count seat stictches or examine leather surfaces with a magnifier.
I doubt that I am the Corvette enthusiast who notices the die hard Porsche boys now screaming about interior quality etc. as the C8 comes ever closer to taking center stage in the 2 seat sports car arena.
You own a Ferrari, yes, I'm sure we all get that at this point. Is your Ferrari's interior a universe of quality beyond what the C8 will sport? I don't know and could care less but I'm sure you will let all of lowly Corvette owners know in bombastic fashion soon.
Last edited by punky; 07-07-2019 at 02:33 PM.
07-07-2019, 02:37 PM
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I think you may be right and the car comes in under 70k for a base model in 1lt trim.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
Unfortunately I think that also means we have a car with too many decisions made by accountants and not enough by car guys and engineers.
GM benchmarks the Porsche 911s a car that starts at 130k .
While I think the C8 will have better performance data numbers on paper.
Then due to trying to satisfy buyer that want a world class sports car but also demand that it's price far under any other car with similar specs that there will have to be compromises.
Typically that means that we will get a interior that is less refined than any other car in its price range.
GM makes the interior of its high end cars and trucks the area where they make major compromises.
Cadillac will never compete with Audi Lexus MB BMW Jaguar and others with the materials used on the interior.
Corvette cannot compete with Audi Jaguar BMW MB Lexus or Porsche when it comes to the interior quality.
Even GM bread and butter trucks have a far inferior interior.
I just read where Ram has taken the number 2 spot in truck sales.
There reason given in the article was consumers found the GM interior to be far less refined than Ford or Ram.
I have to agree I have a 60k plus High Country and the leather and fake wood is horrible when compared to the competition.
While the rest of the truck is 1st class and drives and rides fantastic.
Yet the interior is not what it should be in a 60k truck and far less appealing than Ram or Ford.
I been a Chevy guy my whole life but I will have to consider Ram when I purchase my next daily driver truck.
To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible.
After all that were the driver car interface takes place and where the passenger only connection to the car.
Now Punky I know your reply will be some derogatory comment about being a Euro snob or how you don't care about how nice the leather or switch gear is and anyone who does is a snob.
I don't expect the Corvette to have the same quality of material or craftsmenship as in my Ferrari.
But we should expect it to be as nice as Porsche Lexus or MB Audi.
Well that's just not the case . If I am going to spend 130k plus on the top of line Corvette which I will as soon as it's available I don't feel it should have the same interior compromise as a 70k car.
There is also nothing wrong with preferring attention to detail and excellent craftsmanship when making any type purchase.
Just because attention to detail is not something Punky may find important does not mean he get to speak for everyone else or call them derogatory names.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition.
As far as the Ram goes, GM isn't discounting the new trucks at all, fiat is offering decent incentives. Those sales include the marked down half year body style too I believe... so not exactly apples to apples. The only time sales matter is at the end of Q4. You can only make up ground, you can't lose it.
But I hear you. Paying a lot of money for an average interior sucks. My colorado is missing some things my 04 tb had that I liked. The seats were a little better etc. Compared to everything else in the segment though its decent. The ford and Toyota have been around since 2011 lol. The full size market is different though.
07-07-2019, 02:55 PM
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"...To some this may not matter when purchasing a Corvette but to other who are spending what I am sure will be 85k plus for a 3lt Z51 we would like the interior to be configured and built with the nicest materials as possible. ...
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition. …" vetteman41960
If those numbers become reality, for a "nicely optioned" C8 to be in the $85K range, Corvette will be leaving a lot of potential buyers on the sidelines.
We'll see. That's my opinion.
GM knows who to sell to, and how many of those buyers there are in "their universe" or cohort.
I much rather see GM say to its client base hey we are providing a world class car with no compromises.
To do this we must move the entry price upscale so we can provide our customers with a non compromised world class sports car.
So rather than come in at 70k let it start at 80k or 85k. It still 30k to 45k less than the car they benchmarked and what is its main competition. …" vetteman41960
If those numbers become reality, for a "nicely optioned" C8 to be in the $85K range, Corvette will be leaving a lot of potential buyers on the sidelines.
We'll see. That's my opinion.
GM knows who to sell to, and how many of those buyers there are in "their universe" or cohort.
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07-07-2019, 04:12 PM
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Corvette's market segment is bracketed by the Ford Mustang GT and the Porsche 911.
It can't cede too much to the former without threatening the foundation that lets it encroach on the latter.
Corvette continues to exist because it's a better return on investment of limited engineering and marketing and capital resources than the alternatives.
I think GM could nudge Corvette upmarket, but if they were going to do that for C8 they would have already laid obvious groundwork -- a new successful Camaro and a withering of the base 1LT Corvette.
It can't cede too much to the former without threatening the foundation that lets it encroach on the latter.
Corvette continues to exist because it's a better return on investment of limited engineering and marketing and capital resources than the alternatives.
I think GM could nudge Corvette upmarket, but if they were going to do that for C8 they would have already laid obvious groundwork -- a new successful Camaro and a withering of the base 1LT Corvette.
07-07-2019, 04:39 PM
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There will be a new flap that is actuated when the rear hatch is closed that heats a wire to pull the flap open to let the excess air out of the engine area so the hatch closes easier.
07-07-2019, 05:04 PM
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Personally, I don't have any need or desire for a peter-heater in my Corvette, so an LT1 does just fine for me.
07-08-2019, 08:55 AM
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All you debating price points , look what the General has done with the ZR , performance at far less cost....
07-08-2019, 08:59 AM
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07-08-2019, 10:22 AM
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The second timing chain. The answer to what ever that does or why it even exists
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