Sub Driver

Tuning is available for the ZR1 so.....

punky

All true. The overwhelming majority of guys like me have no concept of controlling these cars at or anywhere near their limits. 500 vs 525 HP in a 3300 lb. car doesn't matter and neither does 10 seconds at the "Ring".

Skid Row Joe

None of the self-professed Johnny street racers can handle 455, much less 500. Of course,; their keyboards here are all 750+ hp rated.....

Darion

Bet that's what this person thought too.

Driving hard on a track is completely different than driving hard on the street where these cars are mostly driven. I found this out 25 years ago when I started tracking Ninjas. I was amazed at what I could do on the track compared to the street and had knee down in an afternoon of work. Cars are no different in that the surface is your friend on a proper track. Also, my riding hard or driving hard is nothing compared to the pros we rode with, they brake way different that we did and so late.

For an open track day ya might get 7/10ths if your lucky but no where near 9-10/10ths where **** happens quick. What I can do well, I'm fast as hell in a straight line! Lol. Not bad out of a corner, terrible on the brakes compared to someone with "real" talent. Honest moment there.

PC

flyforfun

Did GM come out with pricing? I suspect the $65K base price will be a little low. I expect closer to $80K

JerriVette

2012 carrera s pdk versus m7 acceleration times.

c7 z51 manual does sixty in 3.8 seconds.

extrapolate at your convenience after reading

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/...ed-manual.html

JerriVette

Consider porsche 718 s manual versus pdk acceleration to 60 mph amd quarter mile


https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/

rear mid engine for extrapolation...

add in the fact the c8 lt2 is rumoered to have 40 mph as a benefit and detract the same for the fact turbos are not spooling in a naturally aspirated motor and we should or could still see a dct benefit of . 6 to .8 ths of a second as porsche has found.

the 2012 carrera S pdk vs manual comparision removes turbo spool benefit from the equation.

Foosh

In looking at your link, it looks like you're comparing the 718 base manual to a PDK S version. The base has 300 HP, and the S has 350 in the 2018 version.

Skid Row Joe

$65k-$70k.

ptalar

Anything over 500 hp is dangerous on surface streets. Especially, for a person who is not a professional race car driver. Think about what your saying. 500 hp is a lot of hp when we compare it to what we grew up with as kids in the 1960s and 70s. It is to be treated with respect. In this second golden age of muscle cars we have become accustomed to ever increasing numbers of hp, 400 hp, 500 hp to over a 1000 hp for some exotics. And these are available to anybody who can pay for them. We are truly blessed to live through this second coming of production muscle cars. We have waited over 40 years for the technology to give us these miracles and meet ever stringent smog and mileage requirements. Who ever expected a Stingray to get over 30 mpg?

JerriVette

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foosh you need to re read the information on the link. THere are two 2017 718 s models and 2 2017 718 base models. Each one is at least .6 ths slower with the manual to their exact pdk counterpart.

base model 718 to base 718 with pdk as well as manual S model to S model pdk.

Im not saying its definitive to extrapolate to the c7 manual with 460 hp to rear mid engine c8 with pdk yet it does lead us to at the very least consider that since the c7 z51 runs to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds.....the 500 hp c8 should run to 60 mph in approximately 3.1 seconds...(if GM s choice of dct is as efficient as the porsche pdk....

gm engineers are pretty impressive.

would be daunting if the rear mid engine 500 hp dct equipped c8 z51 with 3.80 rear gears could run consistent (a dct attribute) in 3.1 seconds.

males a hard case

hit the link again and examine the evidence ...

its actually quite interesting and of course its all just an extrapolation to assume the c8 z51 with dct will improve acceleration times the same amount as the 2012 911 dct to manual, the 2017 911 pdk to manual and then again the 2017 718 boxster s pdk to manual and finally the 718 base pdk compared to the base 718 pdk to manual.

.6 ths to .8ths is porsches pdk improve,ent in these models compared to the manuals...

we are just shooting the breeze but check each again..

its impressive

punky

Good post, lots of truth here. Yes 500 HP is a ton and would be 600 or more if rated like they did back in the 60s muscle car era.

firstvettesoon

500 horses is MORE than necessary on the street. It’s not really a question of actual power but more a question of bragging rights.

If the car comes with a very respectable 490 hp, it will outperform most cars.. but we will all groan about the “ missing” 15 horses!

Why oh why couldn’t they just make it “ over” 500 hp! If they only had a few more horses! This will be the loudest cry heard on the internet and reviews. I can see it now.

It would be a huge marketing blunder IMO if they fall under 500 hp... unless they post 0-60 times and 1/4s that are astounding!

505 is just about right in my book. ... for the base.

JerriVette

Fwiw the ptm or active handling technology has made 500 hp more than safe and easily used for daily use.

most of us have 450 or so hp in our present rides. An extra five or ten percent is for kicks and yes for the buyers egos.

just enough to notice a slight increase in oomph...

if my calculations are correct with acceleration improvement 460 hp should be enough to bring tje c8 acceleration times to 3.1 seconds to sixty...

if that acceleration time is accurate.....gm can pop the hp number to 500 hp easily by reprofiling the cams and even at the loss of some torque.

If the c8 z51 fe4 lands at 3.1 or 3.2 seconds to 60 mph it would line up quite closely with the performance of the c7 z06. Now that would be impressive.

if the c8 lands at 3.5 or 3.4 seconds to 60 mph its still world class.

Gearhead Jim

0-60 times are easy to compare, but something like 50-100 is perhaps more relevant for street driving. A 0-60 run is fun, but I care a lot more about 50-100 spurts while trying to pass a couple of trucks on a back road.
Our 2017 Z51 is traction limited at the beginning of 0-60, but if the road is dry then 50-100 has no traction problems at all. For highway passing, the traction advantage of ME fades away.

JerriVette

you made some good points yet the world is made up of zero to 60 and quarter mile times. The dct not only offers superior launch control but also acceleration shift times in roll racing.

i believe you will find that the time lost between shifts with a manual transmission will successfully evaporate with the c8 dct.

i dont mean to sound demeaning towards manual transmission corvettes of the past as i have been driving manual transmission sports cars for forty uears and my oresent corvette that I love is a manual.

im just stating some potiential benefits of dct transmission applications that the c8 could also employ.

Ford John

the 2019 Cadillac CT6-V with Blackwing twin-turbo Cadillac V8 550 peak horsepower, with a torque peak of 627 lb-ft.

Corvetts have always had top HP Rating at GM

Dr. ice

Porsches PDK is probably the best automatic on the market. It’s lightning quick on up and down shifts, and perhaps more impressive is how it always knows the right gear to be in. Anyone using the paddles is doing it for driver engagement, as I would guess 99% of all drivers would be faster to let the PDK do its job. Would be a game changer in the C8. I think this transmission in a late model 911 along with a rear weight bias and a great launch control system allows a 420 HP 911 achieve 0-60 times in 3.1-3.2 seconds. Very impressive. I think the same setup in a higher HP ME could get interesting.

TBIRD57

500 IS disappointing-the base imo should be at least 550!

jury still out for me on the looks...have to see one in person and in all the
available colors. of course if it has less interior space than the C7, I guess i'll end up passing any way.

jvp

1) Not the base Corvette.
2) There's no internal rule at GM (unlike what a lot would believe) that says the Corvette has to be the top dog as far as HP/torque are concerned.