Notices
C8 General Discussion The place to discuss the next generation of Corvette.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

WSJ C7 ZR1 Review With Commentary on the C8

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-02-2018, 11:48 AM
  #1  
Mikegerm_C5
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Mikegerm_C5's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 77
Received 57 Likes on 19 Posts

Default WSJ C7 ZR1 Review With Commentary on the C8

https://www.wsj.com/articles/2019-co...ind-1543428205

Dan Neil reviews the C7 ZR1 but my reason for posting this are his comments on the C8. As "baroque period" as C7 ZR1 may be, I think he enjoyed it (what's not to like?!). On the C8, the review covers territory that has been covered on this forum at length. That would be the end of the manual transmission, the end of the FE vette (quote: " Our ZR1 lands as a joyously egregious finale to the era of front-engine Corvettes"), the marketing reasons for ME with the need to compete with the great mid engine sports cars of the world and demographics of millennials who identify with those great cars, and the reduced functionality of a grand tourer. He also mentioned the loss of the long hood that has been part of the Corvette style since the C3.
The piece seems to confirm a number of things but who is to say Mr. Neil knows more than anyone else.
Weigh in please!
If the link doesn't work due to the WSJ pay wall, I'll post the text.
Old 12-02-2018, 12:07 PM
  #2  
NORTY
Race Director
 
NORTY's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2005
Location: Carlsbad Ca
Posts: 10,148
Received 393 Likes on 247 Posts

Default

I got the first paragraph, talking about the gutless 1982 model. That's it.
The following users liked this post:
Varmit (12-02-2018)
Old 12-02-2018, 01:36 PM
  #3  
Steven Beaver
Racer
 
Steven Beaver's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2017
Posts: 262
Received 206 Likes on 85 Posts
Default

Do you work for the Wall Street junk?
Old 12-02-2018, 01:38 PM
  #4  
millpond
Melting Slicks
 
millpond's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Bandon, OR
Posts: 2,823
Received 379 Likes on 197 Posts

Default

Well written article.
Old 12-02-2018, 01:43 PM
  #5  
Foosh
Team Owner
 
Foosh's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Posts: 25,434
Received 16,675 Likes on 8,313 Posts

Default

I suspect he had a pretty good inside source. WSJ's reputation is such that GM wants to maintain a good relationship with them.

At any rate, it's another decent bit of evidence, that the FE is going away, which had been leaked by GM insiders previously. It's funny how many folks here can't let that myth die.

Last edited by Foosh; 12-02-2018 at 01:48 PM.
The following 3 users liked this post by Foosh:
ArmchairArchitect (12-02-2018), Boiler_81 (12-02-2018), rmorin1249 (12-02-2018)
Old 12-02-2018, 01:56 PM
  #6  
Mikegerm_C5
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Mikegerm_C5's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 77
Received 57 Likes on 19 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Steven Beaver
Do you work for the Wall Street junk?
No, but I will not get into the merits of Wall Street here.
Old 12-02-2018, 01:58 PM
  #7  
Mikegerm_C5
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Mikegerm_C5's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 77
Received 57 Likes on 19 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NORTY
I got the first paragraph, talking about the gutless 1982 model. That's it.
I will quote relevant part of the article here for those who can't see it:

<quote from WSJ article>

“And yet for collectors, this [the C7 ZR1] might be the One, the Ultimate, the Maximum. The next Corvette design (C8), due in spring, will be radically different automotive proposition. It will be a mid-engine vehicle, like a Ferrari or Lamborghini, not a front-engine car like, um, a Corvette.

There are good reasons for the change, some dynamical, some demographic. The remarkable thing about the legacy Corvette is how well it kept up with highly specific mid-engine sports cars. But for Corvette to remain among the super-sports car elite, to be considered by millennials in their prime spending years, the design had to go mid-engine. Our ZR1 lands as a joyously egregious finale to the era of front-engine Corvettes.

Behind the big pushrod V8 is a superb seven-speed manual gearbox, with a heavy clutch and a slick, notchless gate (an eight-speed automatic, pictured here, is also available). The C7 generation will be the last Corvette fitted with a standard, or manual transmission. The C8 generation will reportedly use a dual-clutch semi automated rear transaxle.

Behind the big pushrod V8 is a superb seven-speed manual gearbox, with a heavy clutch and a slick, notchless gate (an eight-speed automatic, pictured here, is also available). The C7 generation will be the last Corvette fitted with a standard, or manual transmission. The C8 generation will reportedly use a dual-clutch semi automated rear transaxle. PHOTO: CHEVROLET

What will be lost? First, these will be the last Corvettes with a manual transmission—a trick seven-speeder with a rev-matching function for downshifting. The C8 will use a dual-clutch paddle-shift transmission, which will be quicker around the Nürburgring than any manually stirred alternative. But purists and collectors will covet the charismatic anachronism of the three-pedal manual. Burnouts are easier too.

Second, the ’Vette will lose its versatility as a multiday grand touring sports car, owing to its hatchback design. There aren’t many, or any, super-sports that can carry two suitcases and two sets of golf clubs.

Lastly, and saddest of all, the Corvette will lose its hood of goodly length, the conspicuous priapism that has defined the mission for 65 years. The next Corvette might be faster, quicker, safer, better, but it will never swing the same attitude.”


<end quote>
The following 5 users liked this post by Mikegerm_C5:
ArmchairArchitect (12-02-2018), Puttnutt24 (12-04-2018), rmorin1249 (12-02-2018), sunsalem (12-03-2018), zhopper05 (12-02-2018)
Old 12-02-2018, 01:58 PM
  #8  
Mikegerm_C5
Advanced
Thread Starter
 
Mikegerm_C5's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2011
Location: Jersey Shore
Posts: 77
Received 57 Likes on 19 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Foosh
I suspect he had a pretty good inside source. WSJ's reputation is such that GM wants to maintain a good relationship with them.

At any rate, it's another decent bit of evidence, that the FE is going away, which had been leaked by GM insiders previously. It's funny how many folks here can't let that myth die.
The following users liked this post:
rmorin1249 (12-02-2018)
Old 12-02-2018, 09:00 PM
  #9  
rmorin1249
Le Mans Master

 
rmorin1249's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2012
Location: Hagerstown MD
Posts: 6,878
Received 1,740 Likes on 1,175 Posts
St. Jude Donor '15-'16,'18

Default

Yes, the loss of a front mounted engine AND a manual transmission is going to be hard for some folks to digest but it is happening.
Old 12-02-2018, 09:29 PM
  #10  
Tom73
Race Director
 
Tom73's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 1999
Location: NM
Posts: 14,814
Received 470 Likes on 279 Posts

Default

Lastly, and saddest of all, the Corvette will lose its hood of goodly length, the conspicuous priapism that has defined the mission for 65 years. The next Corvette might be faster, quicker, safer, better, but it will never swing the same attitude.”
So true!

Last edited by Tom73; 12-02-2018 at 09:29 PM.
Old 12-03-2018, 06:24 PM
  #11  
sunsalem
Race Director
 
sunsalem's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2014
Posts: 11,905
Received 2,146 Likes on 1,521 Posts
Default

Like the song says, "All good things gotta come to an end."
Nothing lasts forever.
Old 12-04-2018, 02:18 AM
  #12  
kdm123
Pro
 
kdm123's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2013
Location: CA
Posts: 628
Received 92 Likes on 63 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Steven Beaver
Do you work for the Wall Street junk?
A little off topic, but what's wrong with the WSJ? Haven't read it in years since it's behind a pay wall.
Old 12-04-2018, 09:48 AM
  #13  
Foosh
Team Owner
 
Foosh's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2004
Posts: 25,434
Received 16,675 Likes on 8,313 Posts

Default

Nothing's wrong with WSJ, which retains high reporting standards. That was just another example of press bashing which is very trendy these days.
The following users liked this post:
Rapid Fred (12-04-2018)
Old 12-04-2018, 10:45 AM
  #14  
Mehfoud
Le Mans Master
 
Mehfoud's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Richmond VA
Posts: 7,067
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

If the front engine goes away, are they really going to sell a ton of these $170k cars to support a plant? I just don't see it
Old 12-04-2018, 12:24 PM
  #15  
Puttnutt24
Instructor
 
Puttnutt24's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2016
Location: Rohnert Park CA
Posts: 133
Received 24 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

I'm appreciating my '17 Z06/Z07 with a seven speed manual more and more all the time.
I am one that welcomed the idea of a new mid-engine Corvette but now realizing that the car we've known for decades is truly coming to an end.
I'm really beginning to think Chevrolet might just be making a mistake.
Let Cadillac release the mid-engine car and lets see Chevy come out with a new front engine C8, we can wish right.....



The following users liked this post:
sunsalem (12-04-2018)
Old 12-04-2018, 01:36 PM
  #16  
sunsalem
Race Director
 
sunsalem's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2014
Posts: 11,905
Received 2,146 Likes on 1,521 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kdm123
A little off topic, but what's wrong with the WSJ?
Nothing at all, it's a fine newspaper with high journalistic standards.
Old 12-04-2018, 02:59 PM
  #17  
OVR60
Burning Brakes
 
OVR60's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2013
Posts: 987
Received 105 Likes on 91 Posts
Default

If the WSJ would have said that the ZR1 was the best car ever built and engineered everyone would have praised the article but since he made some truthful comments that did not resonate with the Corvette community his thoughts were not well received. He has driven just about every car in the world and has the ability to judge cars for what hey are. I didn't think that many Corvette owners read the WJS like I do.

Get notified of new replies

To WSJ C7 ZR1 Review With Commentary on the C8

Old 12-04-2018, 03:36 PM
  #18  
rmorin1249
Le Mans Master

 
rmorin1249's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2012
Location: Hagerstown MD
Posts: 6,878
Received 1,740 Likes on 1,175 Posts
St. Jude Donor '15-'16,'18

Default

Exactly. No car is perfect. They all have strengths and weaknesses, even a Yugo. They were cheap and that was their only strength.
Old 12-04-2018, 06:36 PM
  #19  
sunsalem
Race Director
 
sunsalem's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2014
Posts: 11,905
Received 2,146 Likes on 1,521 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by OVR60
I didn't think that many Corvette owners read the WJS like I do.
They don't.
Old 12-04-2018, 10:47 PM
  #20  
JockItch
Safety Car
 
JockItch's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2004
Location: Western Chicago Suburbs
Posts: 4,315
Received 5,348 Likes on 1,994 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Mehfoud
If the front engine goes away, are they really going to sell a ton of these $170k cars to support a plant? I just don't see it


While I definitely buy that this car in upper trim and models will reach that price point, I refuse to believe that GM is going to completely abandon its bread and butter market by making the corvette out of reach for most. I don’t believe there will be a FE C8, but I also don’t believe they expanded the plant to produce a low volume, $170k car.

Makes no sense. The price may increase, but there will be a base model that is more accessible for the masses.

Last edited by JockItch; 12-04-2018 at 10:52 PM.



Quick Reply: WSJ C7 ZR1 Review With Commentary on the C8



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:40 PM.