Elecrtric Vettes, ! I don't think so
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I am going to lower it a notch as I don't mean to attack anyone. The Corvette is a car of emotions and this subject stirs up my own strong feelings. I correct my earlier statement as I am not "anti-EV". The above quote and being forced down this road is what worries me. Let the free market take this where it wants to go, not government and political pressures. An "all of the above" approach works for me in fitting the differing needs and wants of the buyer. An ICE/electric AWD ZORA or whatever you want to call it, will certainly take the Corvette to extreme levels of fast and make us ask "what could you possibly do next"? An "Orwellian" forced upon us existence with an electric only future, is my fear... Sadly, I feel that is where we are being "pushed".
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How bad is the AFM failure? If we go by what you said, they should be littering the road every day every mile. It would be a bonanza for tow trucks and repair shops. What I am curious about is, catastrophic as they are when they happen, what is the percentage of failure that has no bearing in the user? Say at 100K, 200K, 300K. 20% failure rate at 100K is unacceptable. 1% is more acceptable. I see a lot of people with the failure but I see more vehicles driving around with them. I understand it is terrible when it happens to the person. What interests me more is the failure rate at some points that cannot be attributed to abuse or lack of maintenance.
Sure, the AWD is fantastic and I would prefer all my cars have that if I had a choice since I live where there is snow. That said, I don't like the "refueling" characteristics so I will pass if it is that or nothing. It simply won't fit my lifestyle in any way whether it is a Vette or a truck or a sedan.
Sure, the AWD is fantastic and I would prefer all my cars have that if I had a choice since I live where there is snow. That said, I don't like the "refueling" characteristics so I will pass if it is that or nothing. It simply won't fit my lifestyle in any way whether it is a Vette or a truck or a sedan.
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The difference some people here are missing with electric cars is electric cars are being forced on us by leftist governments and corporations, not because electric cars are somehow better. If electric cars were better than gasoline cars, the demand would be through the roof. In the first full year of production, Ford sold 559,451 Mustangs. In the first year of Camaro production, GM sold over 220,000 Camaros. There were no tax incentives. There was no free or discounted gasoline for buying them. You didn't get to drive in a special lane for buying one. The public wanted Mustangs and Camaros, and they bought them.
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Specifically what are the names of these "leftist corporations"? GM? Ford? VW????? And the real question for Michael A. - Why do you continue to frequent the C8 ERay/HybridEV Discussion? You are rabidly anti EV and that's your choice. But this section is really for the people who are interested in the hybrid ERay and future EV Corvette. Not because anyone is forcing it on us, but because we want it for many reasons. I put my deposit down a year ago for the ERay - no expectation of any government subsidy. I bought a Tesla X 2 years ago - no one forced me. Once EV's reach price parity with their ICE counterpart, demand will be through the roof - yes they are that much better. The governor of California said you won't be able to buy a new ICE vehicle after 2035, I will predict it will be de facto sooner - by choice.
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The difference some people here are missing with electric cars is electric cars are being forced on us by leftist governments and corporations, not because electric cars are somehow better. If electric cars were better than gasoline cars, the demand would be through the roof. In the first full year of production, Ford sold 559,451 Mustangs. In the first year of Camaro production, GM sold over 220,000 Camaros. There were no tax incentives. There was no free or discounted gasoline for buying them. You didn't get to drive in a special lane for buying one. The public wanted Mustangs and Camaros, and they bought them.
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So what's the pollution from the EVs that's going to be our next problem???
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Team Owner
I'm not even concerned with the current pollution problem. Hopefully be dead by the time we get there
#31
Le Mans Master
By you logic, then based on the demand of the mid-engine Corvette, all cars should be mid-engine.
#32
Le Mans Master
Specifically what are the names of these "leftist corporations"? GM? Ford? VW????? And the real question for Michael A. - Why do you continue to frequent the C8 ERay/HybridEV Discussion? You are rabidly anti EV and that's your choice. But this section is really for the people who are interested in the hybrid ERay and future EV Corvette. Not because anyone is forcing it on us, but because we want it for many reasons. I put my deposit down a year ago for the ERay - no expectation of any government subsidy. I bought a Tesla X 2 years ago - no one forced me. Once EV's reach price parity with their ICE counterpart, demand will be through the roof - yes they are that much better. The governor of California said you won't be able to buy a new ICE vehicle after 2035, I will predict it will be de facto sooner - by choice.
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Team Owner
I'm not sure that this is a public forum in that you are protected by free speech.
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#35
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No, THIS particular thread is anti EV and Michael "gets it". You on the other hand are in the wrong thread. There are other fanboy posts in this section (not this thread) for you to expound on the soulless joys of driving an elecric golf cart and of "saving the world". Maybe you can even start a new thread...the Corvette "crossover" seems to be creating some discussion lately...
California, huh? ...Makes sense.
California, huh? ...Makes sense.
The thread started off on the wrong foot when the OP put the Principality of Monaco in France...
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Le Mans Master
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#39
Team Owner
refueling? Meaning they suffer a couple meg's? I was able to squeeze 29-30mpg out of my 16 Cadillac xts awd. As long as I stayed out of the twin turbos, it was comparable to the non awd versions. I believe they where fwd ?
When i did freguent FB , i was on several Silverado/ Sierra pages and id say it wasn't everyday or even month someone posted it. I'd say more so than LS7 failure tho and a quick glance in the classifieds will show you just about everyone interested in a C6 z06 is asking one question...had the heads been fixed. What made my situation worse, is the shop went back factory as opposed to ha ING me tow it to LS XPERTS for a straight v8 mod. Traded it in for the Caddy asap.
When i did freguent FB , i was on several Silverado/ Sierra pages and id say it wasn't everyday or even month someone posted it. I'd say more so than LS7 failure tho and a quick glance in the classifieds will show you just about everyone interested in a C6 z06 is asking one question...had the heads been fixed. What made my situation worse, is the shop went back factory as opposed to ha ING me tow it to LS XPERTS for a straight v8 mod. Traded it in for the Caddy asap.
Have things changed since the C7 came out considering AFM? If not, there might be an issue still lingering.
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exactly! How many years have folks been on the waiting list for the Tesla truck? I dont see why ,but im not blind lol. Its hideous. Nonetheless, folks want it. Ford stopped reservations after maxing at 250k f150 EV trucks. Ford said they have enough truck orders to make strictly "pre-order trucks" thru 2025. Since when in history has that happened with a ICE vehicle? Jussayin. Folks have spoken they want it and want it now.
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