The E-Ray undisguised on the road
#81
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Then you must think the C8 Stingray has no character. The E-Ray is "probably" going to be the Stingray PLUS. It will be like adding a 21st century turbo. It should be better in every way from the standard Stingray - and better then the Z06 in some ways - like 0-60 and may give it a run in the 1/4 mile. The AWD will add to handling with torque vectoring. Hopefully this delay in bringing it to market will help GM do it right - PHEV, 8+ kWh battery and 150+ hp electric motor(s)
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#82
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1.8 kW is going to be about a loaf of bread and 20 lbs. The motors will certainly weigh more.
It should be pretty damn fun, especially in the city, if they can keep any steering feel.
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#83
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Verses the Stingray, the ERay is going to weigh much more, be much more complex, cost more, won't be as much fun on a track, most likely won't hold it's resale value nearly as well, will ultimately have to have it's very expensive batteries replaced, and might burn down your house if you park it in your garage. Those might be "better" qualities to you but I'm going to take a hard pass.
Last edited by MYROAD; 12-19-2021 at 04:05 PM.
#84
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Verses the Stingray, the ERay is going to weigh much more, be much more complex, cost more, won't be as much fun on a track, most likely won't hold it's resale value nearly as well, will ultimately have to have it's very expensive batteries replaced, and might burn down your house if you park it in your garage. Those might be "better" qualities to you but I'm going to take a hard pass.
And as someone pointed out, it’s not a track car, it’s a streetcar. Even with the z06, less than 5% of owners have actually tracked their vehicle.
if it were up to me, I’d go with the Z06. But the waitlist is way too long at this point, but the eRay should have its own unique qualities (faster launch, more tq around town, awd, etc).
You don’t have to put down one variation of the car to uplift another.
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#86
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I don’t think it’ll cost more. But no one knows yet. More complex? You mean more advanced? Also, the batteries will probably last 12-15 years.
And as someone pointed out, it’s not a track car, it’s a streetcar. Even with the z06, less than 5% of owners have actually tracked their vehicle.
if it were up to me, I’d go with the Z06. But the waitlist is way too long at this point, but the eRay should have its own unique qualities (faster launch, more tq around town, awd, etc).
You don’t have to put down one variation of the car to uplift another.
And as someone pointed out, it’s not a track car, it’s a streetcar. Even with the z06, less than 5% of owners have actually tracked their vehicle.
if it were up to me, I’d go with the Z06. But the waitlist is way too long at this point, but the eRay should have its own unique qualities (faster launch, more tq around town, awd, etc).
You don’t have to put down one variation of the car to uplift another.
My comment that you referenced notes that I was comparing the ERay to the Stingray, not the Z...And I wasn't trying to put down the ERay; I was just refuting a comment by msm859 that stated the ERay should "...be better in every way than the standard Stingray.", which I don't believe is accurate. If anyone was belittling one of the variations it was msm859, not me.
#87
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...ummmm.. but he is right though..lol .. if not GM failed their mission.. IT should be faster , better handling by leaps and bounds. As long as they keep the power up the weight added wont do anything but make it more solid. It will cost more so it should be better or whats the point... Now maybe the stereo will be the same..lol IG they do a small battery and small hp then it will be just like a GS, but the hybrid will be a wasted effort.. Well they do that??? we will see...........in another year =-/
#88
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My comment that you referenced notes that I was comparing the ERay to the Stingray, not the Z...And I wasn't trying to put down the ERay; I was just refuting a comment by msm859 that stated the ERay should "...be better in every way than the standard Stingray.", which I don't believe is accurate. If anyone was belittling one of the variations it was msm859, not me.
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#89
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Verses the Stingray, the ERay is going to weigh much more, be much more complex, cost more, won't be as much fun on a track, most likely won't hold it's resale value nearly as well, will ultimately have to have it's very expensive batteries replaced, and might burn down your house if you park it in your garage. Those might be "better" qualities to you but I'm going to take a hard pass.
#90
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It may be important for GM to make electric cars, or hybrids or other machines removed from the Corvette. But Corvette should not become the unibrand like the Mustang... no matter how dead sexy this shape is...
#92
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I don't know how many different ways to make this clear...
Petrol purists aren't concerned in the least with the way an electric car goes...They have always been unbeatable.
They simply provide instant torque and power without question. So great. Petrol guys don't think about beating electric cars anymore than we rejoice in beating horses or guys that ride pedal bikes. Its simply a different type of ground transportation. We buy gas from private vendors, electric guys have to live off the state grid which is always 100 percent reliable. Different strokes.
And I still think the car photographed is a Z06 mule putting on long term miles as part of the pre sale test program...
Petrol purists aren't concerned in the least with the way an electric car goes...They have always been unbeatable.
They simply provide instant torque and power without question. So great. Petrol guys don't think about beating electric cars anymore than we rejoice in beating horses or guys that ride pedal bikes. Its simply a different type of ground transportation. We buy gas from private vendors, electric guys have to live off the state grid which is always 100 percent reliable. Different strokes.
And I still think the car photographed is a Z06 mule putting on long term miles as part of the pre sale test program...
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#93
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#94
The hybrid AWD C8 as a concept is cool with me, just isn't the car I'm looking for since it seems its using the LT2. And I really hope they don't call it e-ray.. that's just a dumb sounding name for a car. I didn't think it could get much worse than Mach-E.. but e-ray just might do it lol
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#95
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Well I would stand by my comment as to it being better then the standard Stingray. I would not say it is belittling one of the variations. My comment was in response to the statement that the E-Ray - which will be better then the Stingray - just like the GS was better then the base Stingray - would have no character. The C8 Stingray has "character" and I wasn't trying to put it down - I own one. The E-Ray has Everything the base Stingray has PLUS electric motor(s) up front and a battery - which will make it a lot quicker and fun on the streets. It will be interesting to compare the handling - it will have more weight but the AWD will add a different dynamic. As to costs difference to turn the Stingray into a PHEV hybrid is not as great as some think - now what GM might charge could be a different story. A 10kWh battery should be less than $1500 - or less than the costs for carbon fiber trim. Likewise the electric motor(s) are not that expensive. Extra computing might be tough right now with the chip shortage. This does not include the engineering costs. But for some who mention an under 2 kWh battery, that would be crazy to go to all the other expense and trouble of making a hybrid and then cheapen out on the battery.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...a-future-cars/
#96
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I love the rise I got out of the petrol purist crowd!
Reminds me of when I was telling everyone there wouldn't be a manual transmission. Oh the humanity!
SharkDiverZ06, should I get extra insurance for the Tesla I have in my garage? It has been fire free for more than a few years now, might explode any day!
Reminds me of when I was telling everyone there wouldn't be a manual transmission. Oh the humanity!
SharkDiverZ06, should I get extra insurance for the Tesla I have in my garage? It has been fire free for more than a few years now, might explode any day!
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#98
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Agreed that 2 kWh battery is a joke, but I would take it further and say that I don't get the whole hybrid thing when pure EVs with much more dominate performance are already being main streamed. GM isn't giving us Hummer hybrids, they went directly to EVs...No reason Corvette shouldn't do the same thing. In fact, if you believe MotorTrend, one of the C8 variants will be full EV. If you're really concerned about 0-60 and Qtr. times that is your car, not a hybrid.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...a-future-cars/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...a-future-cars/
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#99
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I love the rise I got out of the petrol purist crowd!
Reminds me of when I was telling everyone there wouldn't be a manual transmission. Oh the humanity!
SharkDiverZ06, should I get extra insurance for the Tesla I have in my garage? It has been fire free for more than a few years now, might explode any day!
Reminds me of when I was telling everyone there wouldn't be a manual transmission. Oh the humanity!
SharkDiverZ06, should I get extra insurance for the Tesla I have in my garage? It has been fire free for more than a few years now, might explode any day!
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#100
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