IMO the C7Z is the new Supra
11-02-2019, 04:50 PM
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$20k for 1100whp. Again show me build costs for Vipers, Mustangs, GTRs
I spent around $16k to make my Supra 1000whp.
I am just going to assume you have had both cars I mentioned and have made both 1000+? Just assuming since you seem to be an expert
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11-02-2019, 05:04 PM
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http://shiftinglanes.com/2017/01/muc...sepower-supra/
$20k for 1100whp. Again show me build costs for Vipers, Mustangs, GTRs
I spent around $16k to make my Supra 1000whp.
I am just going to assume you have had both cars I mentioned and have made both 1000+? Just assuming since you seem to be an expert
$20k for 1100whp. Again show me build costs for Vipers, Mustangs, GTRs
I spent around $16k to make my Supra 1000whp.
I am just going to assume you have had both cars I mentioned and have made both 1000+? Just assuming since you seem to be an expert
Nice try. again, the c7z is not the new supra. putting 60-70k on this car in 20 years is not going to bring up the value of a c7z to over 100k. Talk zr1 then I see that as a possibility.
Supra has never been cheap to mod, the c7z is cheap to mod relative to a Viper or lambo or supra. The cheapest to mod is a mustang,do your own research, its a cheaper car with cheaper parts.
11-02-2019, 05:07 PM
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Did you even watch the video, it took 60k-70k.
Nice try. again, the c7z is not the new supra. putting 60-70k on this car in 20 years is not going to bring up the value of a c7z to over 100k. Talk zr1 then I see that as a possibility.
Supra has never been cheap to mod, the c7z is cheap to mod relative to a Viper or lambo or supra. The cheapest to mod is a mustang,do your own research, its a cheaper car with cheaper parts.
Nice try. again, the c7z is not the new supra. putting 60-70k on this car in 20 years is not going to bring up the value of a c7z to over 100k. Talk zr1 then I see that as a possibility.
Supra has never been cheap to mod, the c7z is cheap to mod relative to a Viper or lambo or supra. The cheapest to mod is a mustang,do your own research, its a cheaper car with cheaper parts.
This low mileage black on black Twin Turbo 6-speed came with a box of parts for only $35,000. Today any sort of good condition Supra would go for far more than that but Rob was lucky to buy this in 2007. He took the car to three separate shops over 2 years to finally complete his build. Rob Spent $20,000 plus the cost of the car to professionally build this 1,100 horsepower Supra. Unfortunately, a few hundred miles later his engine blew.
11-02-2019, 05:16 PM
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Here is my prediction
Z prices fall to low 40s and then high 30s in the next 2 years then we begin to see stability and modest price inflation to settle around 42k in 5 years
Maybe the Z is not like the Supra or any other car previous to it. Truthfully I do believe what I have said busaid also posted this to get good conversation and dissenting opinions.
Just one more question.......have you had either or both Supra TT and C7Z?
Z prices fall to low 40s and then high 30s in the next 2 years then we begin to see stability and modest price inflation to settle around 42k in 5 years
Maybe the Z is not like the Supra or any other car previous to it. Truthfully I do believe what I have said busaid also posted this to get good conversation and dissenting opinions.
Just one more question.......have you had either or both Supra TT and C7Z?
11-02-2019, 05:32 PM
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Here is my prediction
Z prices fall to low 40s and then high 30s in the next 2 years then we begin to see stability and modest price inflation to settle around 42k in 5 years
Maybe the Z is not like the Supra or any other car previous to it. Truthfully I do believe what I have said busaid also posted this to get good conversation and dissenting opinions.
Just one more question.......have you had either or both Supra TT and C7Z?
Z prices fall to low 40s and then high 30s in the next 2 years then we begin to see stability and modest price inflation to settle around 42k in 5 years
Maybe the Z is not like the Supra or any other car previous to it. Truthfully I do believe what I have said busaid also posted this to get good conversation and dissenting opinions.
Just one more question.......have you had either or both Supra TT and C7Z?
11-04-2019, 05:53 PM
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11-06-2019, 12:04 PM
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I guess my real point with this thread is (1) I could not think of another car, that was reasonably priced and could be made very fast on a budget and (2) looks pretty slick
Maybe there is another car in history that they C7Z is more like..........maybe the 99 Viper GTS or maybe there has never really been a decent priced car that is capable of what this car is with less than $15k in mods
Maybe there is another car in history that they C7Z is more like..........maybe the 99 Viper GTS or maybe there has never really been a decent priced car that is capable of what this car is with less than $15k in mods
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11-06-2019, 12:11 PM
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Terminators were bad boys in the strip but not on the street. Plus that stock LB wouldn't take more than 700whp and it is not a sports car. Also looked less than gorgeous IMO
11-06-2019, 12:45 PM
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By that I mean that there is a huge amount of press about the C8 with sub 3 sec 0-60 time and a brand new DCT, but what happens when you add 150-20-300 extra whp and tq? First off the LT2 wont take that, second who knows if the car will ever be reliably tuned (over air updates would reset ECU and TCM anyway) and how much will it cost to mod the car since there is clearly no place for a cost conscious centri SC. The only power adding options would be a PD blower or a turbo which will likely break the bank in a ME.
I am fairly pissed at GM for becoming another ME, bargain priced, Euro wanna be BUT I also believe they did a remarkable job of designing and including some serious technology in the C8 while keeping prices respectable...........that is if you believe a mid level optioned base C8 at $75-78k is a bargain. So on to the topic at hand. Remember when the stopped making Supras and the whole world went crazy for what I heard commonly referred to as the "most over engineered factory performance car every made". Not only did prices hold but today you pay damned near what you would have for a new Supra TT in 1994 (around $60k).
The C7 ZO6 could be had in 1LZ, M7 form for under $70k...........I know that because we bought two of them, 16 and 17 new for $70k OTD give or take a couple bucks. These cars, with stock long block (stock pistons, heads, cam etc) will hold massive HP with minor upgrades to the valvetrain. By disabling TC and leaving Active Handling on you can blow the tires off from 40-140 at 22psi and the car will HOLD itself straight.......still havent figured out how it does that. The fuel system will take full E85 and it $/HP is like few if ANY car we have ever seen. For less than $15k in bolt ons you can make over 1100whp and nearly 1100wtq.
I sincerely believe that in a couple years when there are 60,000 base C8 running around and a few C7Z these cars will become the new Supra. The Z is the ultimate, out of the box, easily modded killer. Time will tell, but we will be keeping these two. The last of the great American front engine, manual gearbox, monsters.
I am fairly pissed at GM for becoming another ME, bargain priced, Euro wanna be BUT I also believe they did a remarkable job of designing and including some serious technology in the C8 while keeping prices respectable...........that is if you believe a mid level optioned base C8 at $75-78k is a bargain. So on to the topic at hand. Remember when the stopped making Supras and the whole world went crazy for what I heard commonly referred to as the "most over engineered factory performance car every made". Not only did prices hold but today you pay damned near what you would have for a new Supra TT in 1994 (around $60k).
The C7 ZO6 could be had in 1LZ, M7 form for under $70k...........I know that because we bought two of them, 16 and 17 new for $70k OTD give or take a couple bucks. These cars, with stock long block (stock pistons, heads, cam etc) will hold massive HP with minor upgrades to the valvetrain. By disabling TC and leaving Active Handling on you can blow the tires off from 40-140 at 22psi and the car will HOLD itself straight.......still havent figured out how it does that. The fuel system will take full E85 and it $/HP is like few if ANY car we have ever seen. For less than $15k in bolt ons you can make over 1100whp and nearly 1100wtq.
I sincerely believe that in a couple years when there are 60,000 base C8 running around and a few C7Z these cars will become the new Supra. The Z is the ultimate, out of the box, easily modded killer. Time will tell, but we will be keeping these two. The last of the great American front engine, manual gearbox, monsters.
11-06-2019, 10:56 PM
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The C6 ZR1 is the Supra
11-07-2019, 10:47 AM
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I think there are different aspects to the supra we are looking at.
A rare car
Good in stock form
Easy to mod to high hp application
Overengineered
Relatively affordable in its twilight years
Will go up in value over time
While I feel the C6ZR1 hits some of those marks, it'll fail in the relatively affordable realm as its right up there with the C7Z06 in pricing and probably not looking to drop anytime soon.
The C7Z06 hits most of those marks and is following the depreciation curve that the supra had after its twilight, just not rare. I'd also take the C7Z06 over the C6ZR1 due to the ZR1's definite desire to kill you for mistakes where the Z06 is just a malicious child joking it will kill you. You'd have to drive both hard to get an idea of how that feels.
A rare car
Good in stock form
Easy to mod to high hp application
Overengineered
Relatively affordable in its twilight years
Will go up in value over time
While I feel the C6ZR1 hits some of those marks, it'll fail in the relatively affordable realm as its right up there with the C7Z06 in pricing and probably not looking to drop anytime soon.
The C7Z06 hits most of those marks and is following the depreciation curve that the supra had after its twilight, just not rare. I'd also take the C7Z06 over the C6ZR1 due to the ZR1's definite desire to kill you for mistakes where the Z06 is just a malicious child joking it will kill you. You'd have to drive both hard to get an idea of how that feels.
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