I predict the ZR1 will be a failure
07-02-2017, 11:15 AM
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Melting Slicks
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I predict the ZR1 will be a failure
I predict the ZR1 will be a failure, relatively speaking.
Adding a bigger blower to the car, creates more heat, and kills fuel efficiency.
Adding a higher revving engine... creates more heat.
They were already having overheating issues with the z06.
The only 2 things chevy did right on the zr1, are the wing on the back, and the intakes on the front.
They would have released their Nurburgring times had the car performed well. It would be leaked to the press by now. Its not hard for a bystander to use a stop watch and leak what they clock.
I believe the current generation of vette engineers, are idiots to put it mildly. They have had YEARS to remedy these cars flaws... and they have not. Meanwhile, people like myself and other aftermarket companies, have solved the overheat issues, and chevy still has not adapted them into the 3rd or 4th year z06.
Chevy could have used the larger front intakes and the wing, and focused on adding cooling radiators etc. The z06 blower would make enough power if they simply geared it correctly.
Or, asking more, they should have turbo'd the car. Their heat issues would be gone as boosted air would run through an air to air intercooler.
Either way, get ready for a big let down. It MIGHT be faster than the zl1 1le camaro, but i predict, not by much.
If I was a betting man, I predict they are still having overheating issues as we speak.
Adding a bigger blower to the car, creates more heat, and kills fuel efficiency.
Adding a higher revving engine... creates more heat.
They were already having overheating issues with the z06.
The only 2 things chevy did right on the zr1, are the wing on the back, and the intakes on the front.
They would have released their Nurburgring times had the car performed well. It would be leaked to the press by now. Its not hard for a bystander to use a stop watch and leak what they clock.
I believe the current generation of vette engineers, are idiots to put it mildly. They have had YEARS to remedy these cars flaws... and they have not. Meanwhile, people like myself and other aftermarket companies, have solved the overheat issues, and chevy still has not adapted them into the 3rd or 4th year z06.
Chevy could have used the larger front intakes and the wing, and focused on adding cooling radiators etc. The z06 blower would make enough power if they simply geared it correctly.
Or, asking more, they should have turbo'd the car. Their heat issues would be gone as boosted air would run through an air to air intercooler.
Either way, get ready for a big let down. It MIGHT be faster than the zl1 1le camaro, but i predict, not by much.
If I was a betting man, I predict they are still having overheating issues as we speak.
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07-03-2017, 10:41 PM
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07-02-2017, 11:30 AM
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if you call a guy who owns 3 z06 which all make over 750hp to 1000hp a troll... sure buddy
07-02-2017, 11:31 AM
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Chevy's not stupid. They want everyone to forget about the heating problems with the Z, and there are two ways of doing that:
1) Retroactively fixing the heating issues with the Z
2) Making a new car that is press-worthy and "supersedes" the Z and doesn't have the heating issues of the Z
Everyone will immediately forget the Z06 issues when the ZR1 comes out because that's all people will be talking about. Remember when the C6ZR1 came out? People weren't talking about dropped LS7 valves anymore. All the press and all the chatter was on the ZR1. It'll be the same here.
Once it goes around the track without an issue, and turns in a good time, all will be forgiven. That's just how it works. So that's what they'll do.
1) Retroactively fixing the heating issues with the Z
2) Making a new car that is press-worthy and "supersedes" the Z and doesn't have the heating issues of the Z
Everyone will immediately forget the Z06 issues when the ZR1 comes out because that's all people will be talking about. Remember when the C6ZR1 came out? People weren't talking about dropped LS7 valves anymore. All the press and all the chatter was on the ZR1. It'll be the same here.
Once it goes around the track without an issue, and turns in a good time, all will be forgiven. That's just how it works. So that's what they'll do.
Last edited by davepl; 07-02-2017 at 12:29 PM.
07-02-2017, 11:36 AM
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BUT how do you know they are putting a bigger blower on it? Absolutely no information has been announced about this car from GM, not even the ZR1 name! We can only hope GM has learned some lessons from their past mistakes!
I predict the ZR1 will be a failure respectively speaking.
Adding a bigger blower to the car, creates more heat, and kills fuel efficiency.
Adding a higher revving engine... creates more heat.
They were already having overheating issues with the z06.
The only 2 things chevy did right on the zr1, are the wing on the back, and the intakes on the front.
They would have released their Nurburgring times had the car performed well. It would be leaked to the press by now. Its not hard for a bystander to use a stop watch and leak what they clock.
I believe the current generation of vette engineers, are idiots to put it mildly. They have had YEARS to remedy these cars flaws... and they have not. Meanwhile, people like myself and other aftermarket companies, have solved the overheat issues, and chevy still has not adapted them into the 3rd or 4th year z06.
Chevy could have used the larger front intakes and the wing, and focused on adding cooling radiators etc. The z06 blower would make enough power if they simply geared it correctly.
Or, asking more, they should have turbo'd the car. Their heat issues would be gone as boosted air would run through an air to air intercooler.
Either way, get ready for a big let down. It MIGHT be faster than the zl1 1le camaro, but i predict, not by much.
If I was a betting man, I predict they are still having overheating issues as we speak.
Adding a bigger blower to the car, creates more heat, and kills fuel efficiency.
Adding a higher revving engine... creates more heat.
They were already having overheating issues with the z06.
The only 2 things chevy did right on the zr1, are the wing on the back, and the intakes on the front.
They would have released their Nurburgring times had the car performed well. It would be leaked to the press by now. Its not hard for a bystander to use a stop watch and leak what they clock.
I believe the current generation of vette engineers, are idiots to put it mildly. They have had YEARS to remedy these cars flaws... and they have not. Meanwhile, people like myself and other aftermarket companies, have solved the overheat issues, and chevy still has not adapted them into the 3rd or 4th year z06.
Chevy could have used the larger front intakes and the wing, and focused on adding cooling radiators etc. The z06 blower would make enough power if they simply geared it correctly.
Or, asking more, they should have turbo'd the car. Their heat issues would be gone as boosted air would run through an air to air intercooler.
Either way, get ready for a big let down. It MIGHT be faster than the zl1 1le camaro, but i predict, not by much.
If I was a betting man, I predict they are still having overheating issues as we speak.
07-02-2017, 11:40 AM
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I think that availability and price point will be a big factor in the new "ZR1" sales...and, of course, final performance numbers once it's released and produced.
07-02-2017, 11:42 AM
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I suggest to be patient and wait for the final results. I don't foresee this car going the same direction as the Z06.
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07-02-2017, 11:43 AM
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My bet is thermal management on the ZR will be just fine, and that'll it'll be a hit.
07-02-2017, 11:46 AM
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07-02-2017, 11:54 AM
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The ZR1 is going to be a beast, and will not have heating issues.
I will say, I believe they 'missed it'... by not going TT V8, Superchargers are old school, and take HP to make HP...
I do believe they'll get it right in the years to come, for now... the ZR1 is going to get it done in a big way... I'd expect close to a sub 7 minute Ring time, 750HP, all that aero and cooling... it will abolish most.
But it will also be 'more similar' to the other corvette models than it has been in the past.
While I was looking forward to getting one (and I'm sure I'll get one in a couple years), I've decided to get the new 911 GT3, and go back to what the Z-06 should have been, High HP, N/A track king.
Best Regards,
Dave
I will say, I believe they 'missed it'... by not going TT V8, Superchargers are old school, and take HP to make HP...
I do believe they'll get it right in the years to come, for now... the ZR1 is going to get it done in a big way... I'd expect close to a sub 7 minute Ring time, 750HP, all that aero and cooling... it will abolish most.
But it will also be 'more similar' to the other corvette models than it has been in the past.
While I was looking forward to getting one (and I'm sure I'll get one in a couple years), I've decided to get the new 911 GT3, and go back to what the Z-06 should have been, High HP, N/A track king.
Best Regards,
Dave
07-02-2017, 12:22 PM
#12
Melting Slicks
Do you realize you are contradicting yourself? You said the car will have a larger blower and create more heat, but Chevy did a good job with the new "intakes" on the front.
You do know that's for extra cooling, right? I'm 90% sure that's where the external intercoolers are for the supercharger. How do you know it will overheat?
You're basing your post off of stuff that isn't confirmed at all. I'm sure it does have a larger blower and makes more power than the Z06, but that's about all we technically know.
Why would it be slightly faster than the ZL1 1LE? The car will most likely be around 300-400 lbs lighter, it supposedly is making more power, and has similar aero (large wing, etc.). Forum member Skank saw this car along with the ZL1 1LE and various other Corvettes testing at Laguna Seca. From his observations, he said the ZR1 was much faster than the others.
And if GM's engineers are idiots, they wouldn't have their job. I highly doubt you would know what to do in their position (unless you yourself are an engineer, but I doubt that).
Also just because you allegedly own 3 Z06s, it doesn't make you any more credible. If you think the cars you own determines credibility... Yikes!
You do know that's for extra cooling, right? I'm 90% sure that's where the external intercoolers are for the supercharger. How do you know it will overheat?
You're basing your post off of stuff that isn't confirmed at all. I'm sure it does have a larger blower and makes more power than the Z06, but that's about all we technically know.
Why would it be slightly faster than the ZL1 1LE? The car will most likely be around 300-400 lbs lighter, it supposedly is making more power, and has similar aero (large wing, etc.). Forum member Skank saw this car along with the ZL1 1LE and various other Corvettes testing at Laguna Seca. From his observations, he said the ZR1 was much faster than the others.
And if GM's engineers are idiots, they wouldn't have their job. I highly doubt you would know what to do in their position (unless you yourself are an engineer, but I doubt that).
Also just because you allegedly own 3 Z06s, it doesn't make you any more credible. If you think the cars you own determines credibility... Yikes!
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The ZR-1 will be as successful as GM intends it to be. It will have plenty of horsepower, will cool efficiently on the track and they will sell every one they make.
However, with the mid engine looming it will quickly become obsolete. I love the Z I have and have no intention of buying the ZR-1 on the same platform. Count me in on the mid engine
However, with the mid engine looming it will quickly become obsolete. I love the Z I have and have no intention of buying the ZR-1 on the same platform. Count me in on the mid engine
07-02-2017, 01:06 PM
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The ZR-1 will be as successful as GM intends it to be. It will have plenty of horsepower, will cool efficiently on the track and they will sell every one they make.
However, with the mid engine looming it will quickly become obsolete. I love the Z I have and have no intention of buying the ZR-1 on the same platform. Count me in on the mid engine
However, with the mid engine looming it will quickly become obsolete. I love the Z I have and have no intention of buying the ZR-1 on the same platform. Count me in on the mid engine
07-02-2017, 01:24 PM
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I do not even believe the people working in the supplier purchase department or in the controlling department are idiots.
I believe the leader board setting next years performance indicators (profit growing another x.y% etc.) for the controlling, the supplier purchase, and thus, the engineering department, are idiots, at least for not communicating sufficiently well with the marketing department, these people talking about the C7 Z06 as beeing "the most track capable" etc.
Best, Bernd
07-02-2017, 01:36 PM
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Someone did a, "Why the C6 ZR1 is a failure" topic back in 2009, now it's the darling of the C6 generation and the hero car for arguing why the C6 is still better than the C7 by C6 owners. Why do we never learn from history around here?
07-02-2017, 02:53 PM
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I get sick of individuals such as myself, being able to solve a z06's problems within the first 3 months of owning their cars... and GM engineers can't solve their problems when given 3 years. Meanwhile, our solutions void the warranty. Nothing about the vette is tech leading or cutting edge compared to Porsche lately.