Car and Driver predicts this about the mid-engine Corvette
05-17-2016, 08:20 PM
#61
Most dont take their cars above 80 mph. I dont think most people follow if it is the slowest or fastest race car at the track. That isnt what has drawn most people to the brand.
The Corvette has always been the affordable American Sports car that competes with the rest of the world, on the street and the track, while giving some semblence of practicality/comfort/efficency as much as a 2 seat, 2 person sports car can. While being a money maker for GM.
The Corvette has always been the affordable American Sports car that competes with the rest of the world, on the street and the track, while giving some semblence of practicality/comfort/efficency as much as a 2 seat, 2 person sports car can. While being a money maker for GM.
Not necessarily.
For example, the minimum weight permissible for an F1 car is 1,548 lb. including the driver but not fuel. Cars are weighed with dry-weather tyres fitted. Prior to the 2014 F1 season, cars often weighed in under this limit so teams added ballast in order to add weight to the car.
Last edited by sunsalem; 05-17-2016 at 08:21 PM.
05-17-2016, 09:10 PM
#62
Le Mans Master
Relative!
Sad, but true.
Not necessarily.
For example, the minimum weight permissible for an F1 car is 1,548 lb. including the driver but not fuel. Cars are weighed with dry-weather tyres fitted. Prior to the 2014 F1 season, cars often weighed in under this limit so teams added ballast in order to add weight to the car.
Not necessarily.
For example, the minimum weight permissible for an F1 car is 1,548 lb. including the driver but not fuel. Cars are weighed with dry-weather tyres fitted. Prior to the 2014 F1 season, cars often weighed in under this limit so teams added ballast in order to add weight to the car.
05-17-2016, 11:09 PM
#63
Burning Brakes
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05-17-2016, 11:12 PM
#64
Burning Brakes
Sad, but true.
Not necessarily.
For example, the minimum weight permissible for an F1 car is 1,548 lb. including the driver but not fuel. Cars are weighed with dry-weather tyres fitted. Prior to the 2014 F1 season, cars often weighed in under this limit so teams added ballast in order to add weight to the car.
Not necessarily.
For example, the minimum weight permissible for an F1 car is 1,548 lb. including the driver but not fuel. Cars are weighed with dry-weather tyres fitted. Prior to the 2014 F1 season, cars often weighed in under this limit so teams added ballast in order to add weight to the car.
Copious rear grip comes from good aero design, not heavy cars. A decently designed Winston Cup car should manage about 3,5 lateral g's. Formula one cars near 5 g's. That isn't from weight or tires. Ballast is added to set corner weight and front/rear balance.
Last edited by BWFitz; 05-17-2016 at 11:13 PM.
05-17-2016, 11:33 PM
#65
Le Mans Master
It would not displace the stingray, it'd be a ZR-1 or something on top of the model line, one would have to imagine. A halo car, whatever.
With 50/50 distribution now I don't need more power or better balance, I need more traction . I'd pony up for my motor in an AWD chassis (so long as it wasn't 600lbs heavier) but I don't really care where the motor sits, other than they look cool under glass.
With 50/50 distribution now I don't need more power or better balance, I need more traction . I'd pony up for my motor in an AWD chassis (so long as it wasn't 600lbs heavier) but I don't really care where the motor sits, other than they look cool under glass.
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05-17-2016, 11:55 PM
#66
Burning Brakes
[QUOTE=JustinStrife;1592235703
The Corvette has always been the affordable American Sports car that competes with the rest of the world, on the street and the track, while giving some semblence of practicality/comfort/efficency as much as a 2 seat, 2 person sports car can. While being a money maker for GM.
Break that formula, and it is no longer Corvette. Some of you want to transform the corvette into something else. Reminds me of a certain President who wanted to transform America. Juat saying...[/QUOTE]
Do you see the formula breaking though? I don't! I know its not part of the C&D article but I see a C8 front engine car based on the current C7 priced somewhere around 60K keeping all the older folks and loyalist happy. Then also selling 2 or 3 mid engine cars along side of it. Maybe a standard, a GT3 track car and halo supercar. I think all could be price competitive and have the bang for buck factor in their perspective category.
The Corvette has always been the affordable American Sports car that competes with the rest of the world, on the street and the track, while giving some semblence of practicality/comfort/efficency as much as a 2 seat, 2 person sports car can. While being a money maker for GM.
Break that formula, and it is no longer Corvette. Some of you want to transform the corvette into something else. Reminds me of a certain President who wanted to transform America. Juat saying...[/QUOTE]
Do you see the formula breaking though? I don't! I know its not part of the C&D article but I see a C8 front engine car based on the current C7 priced somewhere around 60K keeping all the older folks and loyalist happy. Then also selling 2 or 3 mid engine cars along side of it. Maybe a standard, a GT3 track car and halo supercar. I think all could be price competitive and have the bang for buck factor in their perspective category.
05-18-2016, 01:29 AM
#68
I see a C8 front engine car based on the current C7 priced somewhere around 60K keeping all the older folks and loyalist happy. Then also selling 2 or 3 mid engine cars along side of it. Maybe a standard, a GT3 track car and halo supercar. I think all could be price competitive and have the bang for buck factor in their perspective category.
I don't see GM breaking the Corvette formula with the C8.
However, I can see an AWD model(s) being launched to compliment the traditional RWD Vette...
An EXPANSION of the line-up wouldn't surprise me at all.
05-18-2016, 01:39 AM
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At speed an F1 car can weigh over 5000 lbs.
05-18-2016, 01:44 AM
#70
Team Owner
For every person who takes their car over 80mph and races their Corvette, there are 2-3 who drive 500-1500 miles a year on theirs, and keep it in a bubble in the garage, only coming out on clear, sunny days, with their Zaino in tow. There is a reason why there is a stereotype about Corvette owners being Mid-life crisis types who either drive 5 miles under the speed limit, or they end up in a ditch the one time they try to harness the power that their car puts down to the rear wheels.
I didnt say ALL Corvette owners. I ran for 8 years through the mountains and desert in southern california with 20-40 other corvettes doing a heck of a lot more than the speed limit. Then I'd go up to Orange County, and see 80 corvettes get together, and drive 5mph under the speed limit in town, too busy taking pictures of their cars with the original tires, and BSing about the good old days of the 60's and 70's and what hot rods they use to own.
So please. Prove me wrong.
And if you want to whip out your e-peen to try and prove me wrong, be careful where it goes.
Last edited by JustinStrife; 05-18-2016 at 01:49 AM.
05-18-2016, 01:56 AM
#71
Come on EVERYONE...let's support Corvette Racing by watching the broadcast!
HERE IS THE TV COVERAGE SCHEDULE FOR THIS YEAR:
(all times ET and subject to change):
- FOX Sports GO (Saturday, June 13 at 8:30 a.m. to Sunday, June 14 at 9:30 a.m.)
- Saturday, June 13 (8:30 a.m. to 12 p.m., FOX Sports 2)
- Saturday, June 13 (7 p.m. to 8 p.m., FOX Sports 1)
- Saturday, June 13 (11 p.m. to 12:30 a.m., FOX Sports 2)
- Sunday, June 14 (3:30 a.m. to 7:30 a.m., FOX Sports 1)
- Sunday, June 14 (7:30 a.m. to 9 a.m., FOX Sports 2)
- Sunday, June 14 (9 a.m. to 9:30 a.m., FOX Sports 1)
05-18-2016, 02:08 AM
#72
Yes, because of downforce.
A popular theory is an F1 car can produce enough downforce so that if running upsidedown at 200KPH or faster the downforce creates an upward lift greater than the weight of the car and so, in theory, will stick to the ceiling of a tunnel.
Unfortunately, no team has yet to risk a car and a driver to prove it yet.
A popular theory is an F1 car can produce enough downforce so that if running upsidedown at 200KPH or faster the downforce creates an upward lift greater than the weight of the car and so, in theory, will stick to the ceiling of a tunnel.
Unfortunately, no team has yet to risk a car and a driver to prove it yet.
05-18-2016, 11:43 AM
#73
Le Mans Master
Theories!
Yes, because of downforce.
A popular theory is an F1 car can produce enough downforce so that if running upsidedown at 200KPH or faster the downforce creates an upward lift greater than the weight of the car and so, in theory, will stick to the ceiling of a tunnel.
Unfortunately, no team has yet to risk a car and a driver to prove it yet.
A popular theory is an F1 car can produce enough downforce so that if running upsidedown at 200KPH or faster the downforce creates an upward lift greater than the weight of the car and so, in theory, will stick to the ceiling of a tunnel.
Unfortunately, no team has yet to risk a car and a driver to prove it yet.
05-18-2016, 10:10 PM
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Twin Turbo V6 ZR1....what???
http://www.corvetteonline.com/news/c...-v6-zr1-coming
^^^They base their whole article on a thread started by banned CF member. Banned for being a liar and a general PIA.
Don't think I'd put any stock in that one.
http://www.corvetteonline.com/news/c...-v6-zr1-coming
^^^They base their whole article on a thread started by banned CF member. Banned for being a liar and a general PIA.
Don't think I'd put any stock in that one.
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05-18-2016, 10:49 PM
#77
Le Mans Master
Photoshoped C7 isn't smart pool!
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05-18-2016, 11:18 PM
#78
I am a corvette owner who drives on the track and bought my car to do so. I have very little interest in anything like a Ford GT. Way too much money, and too little driver control to really enjoy track driving.
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...
05-18-2016, 11:30 PM
#79
I am a corvette owner who drives on the track and bought my car to do so. I have very little interest in anything like a Ford GT. Way too much money, and too little driver control to really enjoy track driving.
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...
05-18-2016, 11:36 PM
#80
Le Mans Master
Heat!
I am a corvette owner who drives on the track and bought my car to do so. I have very little interest in anything like a Ford GT. Way too much money, and too little driver control to really enjoy track driving.
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...
The problem with the future of all performance cars is they are becoming NOT track-able even as they are becoming amazing street machines. Tesla is the perfect example.
GM can't even make a C7Z06 that stays cool on a track. Imagine a DOHC hybrid AWD C8 after 4 laps...
I'll keep my C6Z06. (And maybe buy a Tesla).
And I still don't see why OHC is so special... OK, I'll go back to my cave now...