5thGear

I started another one on the road race/ autocross forum

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1591258525

RC000E

Nice to see I inspired a little fight in ya...lol! Little effort goes a long way.

I like the question because it sends the message to Tadge that there are plenty of guys that want to track the car and track it hard. Corvette is often faced with an image vs a demographics problem, and it has to make a balance of all these factors. Knowing there is performance and validation demand makes the car better and tells GM execs that if you call it a track car, it's going to be scrutinized as such. These questions better the cause long term of where I want to see Corvette. I want a GT3RS equivalent damnit!

5thGear

The question made it through. Thank you everyone

RossN

Not to rain on your parade in regards to this question so to say, but I predict that Tadge's will answer somewhat as follows...

We already predicted this question and answered it over 2 + years ago when we began and completed the development work for the Z07 package. If you don't like your currently configured Z06, sell it for a slight loss, save up a bit, and buy a Z07package...

5thGear

If you can afford a Z06, you can afford a Z07. Its not a money issue. I, like many others, specifically didn't want a Z07 package because I didn't want CCB. Some people wanted Z07 package but couldn't get it due to serious constraints in 2015 on Z07 package. Lets hope that Tadge is not as mean as you envision him to be

RC000E

I think it is quite possible that's how he'll steer his answer though. The Z07 was intended for those who will track the car the hardest. It can be deemed that the few who desire these upgrades are simply placing too much demand on the Z06 architecture.

As I said though, the question sends the appropriate message...not everyone sees the Z07 package as a "track package". Tadge claimed before, in his own words, that if a lighter track car was truly desired, more people would be buying lower optioned Z06's, not buying Z07's. He said, Z07 satisfies the demographical need as the performance option, as supported by sales.

Me personally...I'd buy the 1LT Z06 IF I had any intent of purchasing this Z06...which I don't. After much debate I've decided to buy a stripped out base or Z51 and build the car that I want...which is an N/A widebody car with a substantial aero package, that's light as possible. The Z06X equivalent that Pratt and Miller concepted with GM.

5thGear

See ask Tadge forum

BWFitz

So do I.

davepl

Tadge's answer to this should be "buy a Z07 or a Z06, but GM doesn't want to play in the business of changing one to the other". I get that (a small, small set of) owners want to do it, but while GM has the data you seek, I can't picture them having any other role in it.

If you waste a question on this topic, you're going to have a very unsatisfying answer and you know it. He's not going to bust out a delta parts list and a USB stick with a new calibration to be attached as a sticky on the post - duh - he's going to say "We don't advocate consumers undertake blah blah blah...."

jvp

The answer was both thorough, as he included a long snippet of text from Jim Mero, and perhaps also disappointing to the folks that wanted the calibration: it ain't happening.

The question and answer.

RC000E

Seems to be they want to "protect" the Z07 package versus allowing customers to build their own/pick and choose components. Can't allow people to build ala carte cars...not good for business. Can't say I blame them though...gotta push people to buy more car versus less car.

He did state they allowed the carbon ceramics to be available ala carte to the z06 package, plus the Z07 aero is opened. All they won't give you is the suspension calibration for FE7 to complete the upgrade.

End of day it's all software. We hacked and pulled data from factory ecu's for years...I'm sure if there is demand a company can provide an "upgraded" calibration or piggyback unit. Would imagine there isn't much of a customer demand though.

davepl

Seems to me he said largely what I predicted. He said "feel" rather than "advocate", but darn close:

"Yes, you could purchase the Z07 parts and bolt them on to a Z06, but we don't feel it would be worth the cost or effort"

His answer was way more detailed than I expected in terms of what it would require though. So it was by no means a waste, since it's informative.

four0nefive

Poor-sha has DSC shocks and calibration and I remember from his thread that they are meant to be stiff for the track and then very comfy on the road (I think they're magnetic too). He also said they help put down power better.

I'm not sure on cost, but this looks like a better solution than trying to get the Z07 calibration and such for FE6 cars. I'm sure he can chime in with more details if needed.

Poor-sha

My initial impressions are posted here:

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...uspension.html

You might want to ping Jason at Katech on cost as it looks like they will be a reseller of the DSC Sport suspension.

There are a few of us on the forum that have spoken to Mike Levitas about this system and he has some distinct opinions on the limitations of the factory setup. Given their results with this system on Vipers and Porsches I'm very optimistic we'll see some big gains in lap time.

I'm hoping that DSC Sport will join as a supporting vendor or work through Katech to provide more info as I don't want to start sounding like the sales guy for DSC. However, I will definitely post further impressions from my experience as I get them. Mike has been really great about taking feedback and sending tuning updates so there will probably be a lot to talk about for the next few months.

Lavender

Afaik DSC put that kind of suspension on a Gen V Viper TA and posted a faster lap time than a Gen V ACR..

Poor-sha

Yup, I was told the same. The TA was literally straight off the showroom and all they did was shocks and a controller like we're doing for the C7Z.

Lavender

BERETTA

I too was hoping for a response that GM might make the software available.
I am however very thankful that Tadge and Mero offered the information and took the time to talk a little bit about the 2 suspensions.

Busa Dave

Hate to say I told you so but the answer given by Tadge was exactly as outlined above. GM is not in the business of supporting hobby drivers who modify the car.. It is all about dollars and cents period the bottom line.. Think about questions before you waste the mans time with questions that are obviously going to be unequivocally shot down lol.

schaibaa

What you are missing is that the software and hard parts are already available. This is not a development issue. This is not very much different than adding Z06 brakes to a Z51.