Brake cooling Z07?
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Ordered ducts this morning. Honestly I could not see a way to get ducts done on this car, so I'm happy to pay for a solid solution from American innovators. If it saves me 25% on rotor life, it's well worth it. Combined with AP brakes, I'm pretty confident this package will pay for itself within a year, if not sooner.
If anyone misses it, email me and I'll send it over in a PDF.
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Amen to team LG. Initial purchase price is only one piece of the puzzle when it comes to brakes. Modifying brakes requires a long-term plan and investment.
For most enthusiasts the ROI is going to be measured over the entire time they own the car, which is likely 4-6 years (or longer for many Vette owners...until the C8 comes out). If you add up the total cost to track a car across those years, brake consumables will account for a large chunk of those costs (up there with fuel and tires). Reducing brake consumable costs (using iron rather than CCM) and/or the rate at which they are consumed (which is what brake ducts do) has a dramatic impact on the total dollars spent.
During that time, you also get to enjoy all of the benefits of more consistent, confidence inspiring brake performance without fade, less brake fluid bleeding, fewer missed track sessions, etc. Finally, when it's time to move on to a new platform, you still have residual value in quality hard components (the carbon duct work and plate in this case), and they can be stripped off and sold for real money. When you burn up a set of OEM pads or discs (particularly CCM), they are worthless scrap with zero residual value!
I personally can't wait to see how these cooling kits benefit our AP Racing big brake kits. Our discs have a high internal vane count and will benefit greatly from plenty of cool air being pumped through them.
For most enthusiasts the ROI is going to be measured over the entire time they own the car, which is likely 4-6 years (or longer for many Vette owners...until the C8 comes out). If you add up the total cost to track a car across those years, brake consumables will account for a large chunk of those costs (up there with fuel and tires). Reducing brake consumable costs (using iron rather than CCM) and/or the rate at which they are consumed (which is what brake ducts do) has a dramatic impact on the total dollars spent.
During that time, you also get to enjoy all of the benefits of more consistent, confidence inspiring brake performance without fade, less brake fluid bleeding, fewer missed track sessions, etc. Finally, when it's time to move on to a new platform, you still have residual value in quality hard components (the carbon duct work and plate in this case), and they can be stripped off and sold for real money. When you burn up a set of OEM pads or discs (particularly CCM), they are worthless scrap with zero residual value!
I personally can't wait to see how these cooling kits benefit our AP Racing big brake kits. Our discs have a high internal vane count and will benefit greatly from plenty of cool air being pumped through them.
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You two do a great service to the community providing parts that are a substantial upgrade from OEM. I wish I could say that about all aftermarket parts. The Corvette community is lucky to have you.
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All orders from last week have shipped and we are shipping orders that were placed this week now.
Only have a limited number of these kits on this first production run so get them them while they last!
Only have a limited number of these kits on this first production run so get them them while they last!
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I hope to have some useful data on the AP/LG combo soon. My AP fronts are on (and they are bada**).
The LG ducts are in my garage for install this weekend. My wife looked at the carbon ducts and said "Wow! Those are beautiful!" and she doesn't even care what they are designed to do.
Thanks to Essex and LG for coming up with stout solutions to my/our Z06 brake issues.
Now to install the GMPP secondary rad...but that's an issue for another thread
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The LG ducts are in my garage for install this weekend. My wife looked at the carbon ducts and said "Wow! Those are beautiful!" and she doesn't even care what they are designed to do.
Thanks to Essex and LG for coming up with stout solutions to my/our Z06 brake issues.
Now to install the GMPP secondary rad...but that's an issue for another thread
Rob
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Got my kit installed. Went pretty easy!
Issues I ran into
My nut rivet gun broke (thanks for including the bolt, nut & washer as that was actually easier than dealing with my cheap tool anyway)
The hole that gets drilled out on the frame was not really easy to get to without an angle drill (which I do not currently own.) I was able to jack up the lower control arm to gain a little more room but the hole was drilled very slightly at an angle. It did not end up mattering as the rivet nut when in fine.
Issues I ran into
My nut rivet gun broke (thanks for including the bolt, nut & washer as that was actually easier than dealing with my cheap tool anyway)
The hole that gets drilled out on the frame was not really easy to get to without an angle drill (which I do not currently own.) I was able to jack up the lower control arm to gain a little more room but the hole was drilled very slightly at an angle. It did not end up mattering as the rivet nut when in fine.
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As an FYI...it's looking like the backing plates need to be modified slightly (about 5mm shaved off the bosses) to work with our CP9668/372mm Essex Designed AP Racing Competition Brake Kit for the C7 Z06. LG Motorsports has kindly agreed to perform this modifications in-house, and ship us the modified version. Therefore Essex is going to be offering our customers these duct kits alongside our BBK. That way our customers won't have to fiddle with them at all. They'll drop right onto the car along with our BBK with no modifications.
Sorry you missed out on that one 2016Z! Thanks for being a guinea pig.
Sorry you missed out on that one 2016Z! Thanks for being a guinea pig.
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Those of you that are doing this first round of installs....if you see any typo's or have any hints for changes in the instructions (I have a few changes to make right now) please email anything you have to me (anthony@lgmotorsports.com).
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We did run the car with the prototype ducts on it without issues.
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My one comment about the kit - I hate the worm gear hose clamps! On the metal duct side, I tried to tighten one and it stripped/broke. You want them about as tight as possible without either cracking the carbon fiber or breaking the clamp and that is a narrow threshold. Yesterday I was backing my car on the dyno and another one popped off on the driver-side, making some horrible noise. I am scared to pull the rotor for fear it somehow gouged the rotor. I am going to order some T-bolt clamps and replace all the cheaper hose clamps.
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My one comment about the kit - I hate the worm gear hose clamps! On the metal duct side, I tried to tighten one and it stripped/broke. You want them about as tight as possible without either cracking the carbon fiber or breaking the clamp and that is a narrow threshold. Yesterday I was backing my car on the dyno and another one popped off on the driver-side, making some horrible noise. I am scared to pull the rotor for fear it somehow gouged the rotor. I am going to order some T-bolt clamps and replace all the cheaper hose clamps.
On the race cars I typically throw two rivets in them and wrap with race tape but I didn't think to many would want to rivet into the carbon.
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I'll try some better clamps, but if that doesnt hold I'll rivet them.
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Well I did actually go to the track today, but I have no idea when I lost the clamp. Just put the car on the lift to inspect and found it gone.
The first one let go when I let a friend drive the car and he turned the wheel to the stops.
The first one let go when I let a friend drive the car and he turned the wheel to the stops.
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