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Anyway, these guys look like brothers that have thus far been unable to decisively assert their dominance over the new Z07 on a road track! And I think we can see the TT allure here in the number variances. They weren't close enough anymore. And will these special editions be able to do the deed?
And again, hopefully AWD isn't necessary, but, we don't know, and they may exclude those details, since, they are sold out already!
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Sorry, here's the McLaren I know running away from a 911 Turbo S, Italia, ZR1 etc.. Nothing against the OP, but I've seen too many videos of this incredible supercar beating them all.
Cool vid and Mclaren is a beast but that 911 turbo was a 996 turbo. Over 2 models old and over a decade old technology. A new Turbo S will absolutely beat the mclaren off the line and at least to 60mph. Nothing will out launch a 991 turbo S PDK not even the GTR. Then power to weight takes over and the 911 will be looking at taillights.
Cool vid and Mclaren is a beast but that 911 turbo was a 996 turbo. Over 2 models old and over a decade old technology. A new Turbo S will absolutely beat the mclaren off the line and at least to 60mph. Nothing will out launch a 991 turbo S PDK not even the GTR. Then power to weight takes over and the 911 will be looking at taillights.
actually it was a 2010 997 and i agree the 991 TTS is
significantly faster ! the new 991.2 with rumored 4.0 litre
will be even faster !
Pretty sad joining a forum just to complain about that car Bored much?
As great as the 650S is...The only one struggling here is seeing you. The Autobild test has you tuned inside out. All you have are excuses and "WHAT IF's". Oh, and no doubt what again??
So tell me how you keep ignoring such a huge weight advantage? You were all over the weight issue with the Z28 vs GT350 and now you don't mention it? 150+lbs was HUGE to you and now 300+lbs isnt? moving goal posts are we? Hilarious You're as transparent as a window. Keep goin!
btw... what was your answer for the 1LE vs Mustang LS? Still nothing? I thought so.
One magazine test without a professional driver on one particular track is pretty meaningless. Especially a 3 second difference looking at the pecking order at that track. Bet you think its as quick as a 918 at all tracks, too, huh?
What about the GT350R? It will beat the Z28. More power, less weight.
What you missed was my reply regarding widths and compounds but I guess that (mildy) technical information went over your head?
Tell you what, swap the tires and give your guesses on lap times anyway?
What about the GT350R? It will beat the Z28. More power, less weight.
It will beat the Z/28, or at least be very close, but not because more power less weight - look at the GT500, more power, a lot more, and less / similar weight, got its *** handed to it. The 350R will be a track monster because of its chassis and suspension tuning.
What you missed was my reply regarding widths and compounds but I guess that (mildy) technical information went over your head?
I highly doubt 20mm of tire difference makes that much difference. If it did, and results in no other compromises, why didn't the McLaren engineers slap on the widest tires they found? Even an engineering student can take on a design spec that simple...
Truth is, a lot more goes into tire selection than just "go-wide". Sometimes, a narrow tire can be beneficial - case in point, why did the ACR go with 20mm NARROWER tires (335 vs 355)?
A wild guess here on my part: perhaps due to the rear powertrain, the McLaren is limited to shorter control arms.
This causes relative larger camber change as it cycles through its travel. The chassis engineers may have determined anything over 305 to be non-beneficial, as you lose too much contact patch. So why use a heavier tire / wheel if you don't gain from it?
Contrast this to the relatively long control arms of the C7 chassis:
It will beat the Z/28, or at least be very close, but not because more power less weight - look at the GT500, more power, a lot more, and less / similar weight, got its *** handed to it. The 350R will be a track monster because of its chassis and suspension tuning.
Agreed though iirc the GT500 weighed more, worse weight distribution and SRA. We're on the same page except what other reasons will it beat the Z/28 assuming track tuned suspension and aggressive tires?
I highly doubt 20mm of tire difference makes that much difference. If it did, and results in no other compromises, why didn't the McLaren engineers slap on the widest tires they found? Even an engineering student can take on a design spec that simple...
Truth is, a lot more goes into tire selection than just "go-wide". Sometimes, a narrow tire can be beneficial - case in point, why did the ACR go with 20mm NARROWER tires (335 vs 355)?
A wild guess here on my part: perhaps due to the rear powertrain, the McLaren is limited to shorter control arms.
This causes relative larger camber change as it cycles through its travel. The chassis engineers may have determined anything over 305 to be non-beneficial, as you lose too much contact patch. So why use a heavier tire / wheel if you don't gain from it?
Contrast this to the relatively long control arms of the C7 chassis:
Certainly possible. Overall width and footprint are all considerations from packaging, markets sold into, driveability, styling, etc.
The ACR may obtain quicker turn-in and better aero while the downforce benefits offset the smaller size. But then again would 20mm make that much of a difference?
One magazine test without a professional driver on one particular track is pretty meaningless. Especially a 3 second difference looking at the pecking order at that track. Bet you think its as quick as a 918 at all tracks, too, huh?
What about the GT350R? It will beat the Z28. More power, less weight.
What you missed was my reply regarding widths and compounds but I guess that (mildy) technical information went over your head?
Tell you what, swap the tires and give your guesses on lap times anyway?
So whats your issue Deuuuce? So you admit you have no problem with the fact that the 650S weighs so much less than the Z but want to moan and groan over tire size? Lame! Like I said... moving goal posts to suit your sort of useless argument
The Z28 has 40trq more vs the GT350 that has 20hp more. Seems power is a calculation then those numbers well cancel each other out. But if you think measly 20hp is the end all then I wouldn't be surprised by that
So maybe that 150lbs (maybe) might be good for slight advantage. Isnt it funny how NOW you want to talk about 150lb lighter weight being such and advantage but wont even mention that with your 650S vs Z06 argument
The 1LE beat the track pack GT500 at most tracks tested with 250hp less and using the same tires, so you never know
Anyways... I bet the Z28 has a very good chance keeping its head up with the GT350 any way you slice it. Then again its an old chassis now, and the next gen is coming. But I dont see total domination, maybe a little... maybe none.
And you think imagine what is as quick as 918? Because why?
So whats your issue Deuuuce? So you admit you have no problem with the fact that the 650S weighs so much less than the Z but want to moan and groan over tire size? Lame! Like I said... moving goal posts to suit your sort of useless argument
The Z28 has 40trq more vs the GT350 that has 20hp more. Seems power is a calculation then those numbers well cancel each other out. But if you think measly 20hp is the end all then I wouldn't be surprised by that
So maybe that 150lbs (maybe) might be good for slight advantage. Isnt it funny how NOW you want to talk about 150lb lighter weight being such and advantage but wont even mention that with your 650S vs Z06 argument
The 1LE beat the track pack GT500 at most tracks tested with 250hp less and using the same tires, so you never know
Anyways... I bet the Z28 has a very good chance keeping its head up with the GT350 any way you slice it. Then again its an old chassis now, and the next gen is coming. But I dont see total domination, maybe a little... maybe none.
And you think imagine what is as quick as 918? Because why?
Nope, big sticky tires are an equalizer for a heavier and slower car.
20hp and less weight. If you want to compare torque figures, don't look at the 458 and how well it performs....
Now its the 1LE, okay, totally different purpose than the GT500 but whatever suits you.
You think the C7Z is as quick as a 918.
Anyway 3 seconds quicker than a mid-engine, lighter car with the same horsepower is somewhat laughable maybe even an anomaly. Did you read the article?
08-27-2015, 10:34 PM
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Bored much?
