badhabit_wb

I think SM does a great job but they can't change the weather and it's not their fault the cars overheat. Where would they move to? Somewhere with rain and snow? At the level they're running the stage 1 the cars shouldn't be heating. That's a problem GM should address.

Doc New

Does the waver specifically state warning that the PS could fail? By now, both SM and GM have to know of this issue, and if SM doesn't warn clients of this they could be open for liability suit based on negligence. Since SM is a public service (i.e. open to the public), burden of proof that the damage was caused by the client and not due to steering failure would be on SM. Same for GM. That's how class action liability suits get started. Best regards. DN

thebishman

I did a version of SBC and a Stick's modification to get more airflow to the area over the PS motor, and had no issues in mid to high 80dF temperatures running for the whole 20/25 minute session. Obviously not the same as running in 100dF ambient, but not far off.
Bish

GP1224

Which is 130-140 degree track temps? lol

dtgaskal

You can go to You-tube to view it. Just type in : SpringMountain2015Z06 all one word it should come up.

z06 inspired

Thanks, that must be the eastern most track. We ran the middle track.

05dsom

1953 was an I6----blue flame special

05dsom

YEP, 1953 & 54 were both I6'S

I thought you guys were Vette fans

69L79

From what I am reading on this Forum, the Z is a great Car on the street. But, on the track a big bag of headaches. Including some safety issues.

badhabit_wb

When I was driving at Spring Mountain and my ps went out I honestly didn't notice it until Howie said his went out. The steering was stiffer but it didn't stop steering. Is it dangerous? That depends on whether or not you are able to steer it without the power. The other issues don't seem a danger, just an aggravation. I never felt like the power steering going out was dangerous because I could still control the car it just took more effort. I think that people who haven't experienced the loss of the steering should ask questions rather than give their opinions on the severity of the problems. As Jimmy Buffet would say " don't talk about the ocean if you've never seen it".

dvandentop

That's really to bad to hear about all the issues

69L79

True. But, I don't have to go out in the rain to know I'll get wet.

rsilver

I think that GM is wide open for a lawsuit. "They subsidize our SV class in unsafe cars" I can hear an attorney saying! All an attorney has to do is show the data for failures, and that GM knew about it which is pretty easy to prove. It just takes one guy to have a problem on street or track that causes injury and here comes a law suit. I sure hope no one gets hurt. Yes to the above, i have lost PS on two different cars coming over Vail pass over the years, and its no fun and dangerous ( idler and serpentine belt failures that were my fault because of mods). Yes you can steer the car depending on where you are and your speed but I can see situations where its not so easy going slower on tight mountain roads. maybe its only me. They should recall these cars ( a disaster for marketing for a marquee car) or provide a fix and get ahead of the curve for at least the PS issue because it could be life threatening. It would seem logical their engineers have or can come up with a fix. I am sure their legal department is already involved.For the engine/trans overheating on the track they can probably avoid liability unless someone sues for misrepresentation of the facts. The Cobra R guys sued ford successfully I think (add something if I am wrong) in the 90's for misrepresentation of the true HP of the car. It was way below stated values. Ford lost that one. I am sure I will get Lit for saying this by those who are indignant toward anyone who makes negative comments about their brand especially being a noob and coming from a ford. But my familiy has had C-3's for 3 generations and still does, so its not a knock on corvette. I have a 2015 Z07 A8 and had 3 C -3's one of which I still have so I want them to fix it so I can enjoy this sick machine! Not just taking potshots from the sidelines. There is bound to be a fix available and the car should do what it was represented to do. GM should step up and retro fix it for 2015/2016 and then fix it for good mid 2016 and increase the price of the car to cover their additional costs. I am headed to track in next couple of weeks after a business trip. I doubt I will be able to push the car hard, but I have no choice during the summer but to drive in 100 degree ambient temps or race only in the spring and fall. We all have other things to do than screw around with this kind of stuff on a $100K Car. If I am wrong on this, i am sure someone will tell me and hopefully i can forget about it and enjoy the car...........bob noob

badhabit_wb

I agree Bob. I have a z06 and I don't want to worry about tracking it in warm weather. I also feel like I didn't get what I should have out of my Spring Mountain ride because of the overheating. I'm 6'3" and 225 lbs so I can see how it would be a lot harder to drive for some people than others. Either way it's not pleasant. A recall would be great but unless/until someone gets killed GM probably won't do much about it. With all the advertising about it's abilities I think GM should step up to the plate and deliver what they promised. I think a better radiator and and maybe heat sinks on the power steering or cooling for it would solve the majority of the problems.

b4i4getit

I think they should be changing the advertising hype from "most capable track car ever" to "most capable street car ever".

badhabit_wb

That would be a lot more accurate.

Gary '09 C6

"most capable street car ever with track potential if you want to design your own modifications and pay for them, and no track-use warranties"

not sure this plays well with the marketing dept...

sad...the car shouldn't have these problems for HPDE use.

BillB3672

I attended the 2 day with my grandson and we both had a blast, and all the staff was professional! To hear this story surprises me! I hope someone from SM's executive staff investigates and responds to this post and notifies GM of the issue! GM has had enough issues with safety lately, and I would hope this gets to the executives of GM before someone is seriously injured or killed!

dtgaskal

I agree that the staff is extremely professional and this is a top of the line facility. At the least I would like to see them warn incoming students that the power steering could go away without notice. Some of these students are in there 70's or maybe even 80's and might not be as strong or quick to react as they once were.

Babaron

Didn't Tadge say at one point the car was engineered to run without overheating up to 86 deg F. With that said, 110 degweather is doin' what was expected for the Z.

Would have been nice if that were published in the ads.