Top Gear Speed Week: Z06 vs NISMO, 458 Speciale, Huracan and others
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Top Gear Speed Week: Z06 vs NISMO, 458 Speciale, Huracan and others
a collection of hotlaps from their testing by the Stig
here is how the Manual Z06 did vs its direct competitors. if you are wondering why the vette times seems a bit off my only thought is the standing start nature of the lap and the Manual but hard to say
Corvette Z06
1:49.1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297145598001
GTR NISMO
1:45.5
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297112910001
458 Speciale
1:46.0
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114525001
rest of the cars
Huracan
1:45.4
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114522001
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/search?q=speed+week
here is how the Manual Z06 did vs its direct competitors. if you are wondering why the vette times seems a bit off my only thought is the standing start nature of the lap and the Manual but hard to say
Corvette Z06
1:49.1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297145598001
GTR NISMO
1:45.5
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297112910001
458 Speciale
1:46.0
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114525001
rest of the cars
Huracan
1:45.4
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114522001
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/search?q=speed+week
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a collection of hotlaps from their testing by the Stig
here is how the Manual Z06 did vs its direct competitors. if you are wondering why the vette times seems a bit off my only thought is the standing start nature of the lap and the Manual but hard to say
Corvette Z06
1:49.1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297145598001
GTR NISMO
1:45.5
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297112910001
Huracan
1:45.4
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114522001
458 Speciale
1:46.0
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114525001
rest of the cars
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/search?q=speed+week
here is how the Manual Z06 did vs its direct competitors. if you are wondering why the vette times seems a bit off my only thought is the standing start nature of the lap and the Manual but hard to say
Corvette Z06
1:49.1
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297145598001
GTR NISMO
1:45.5
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297112910001
Huracan
1:45.4
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114522001
458 Speciale
1:46.0
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/4297114525001
rest of the cars
http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/search?q=speed+week
or circus material.
It was on yesterday and they had airplanes playing with cars.
If your 16 and your knowing nothing about cars you might like it
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Good read, standing start and manual certainly hurt the Z06 times. Interesting that they picked a standing start. It's not really a good way to measure track performance. Shouldn't count for more than 1/2 second in this group.
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As far as "Top gear" I watched it a few times till I'm sick of it and that is less than a minute. The clowns should switch to comic strip
or circus material.
It was on yesterday and they had airplanes playing with cars.
If your 16 and your knowing nothing about cars you might like it
or circus material.
It was on yesterday and they had airplanes playing with cars.
If your 16 and your knowing nothing about cars you might like it
This is the magazine comparison test not the TV show
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here in an excerpt about what they thought as this part of the test was between the 458 Z06( Z07) and NISMO
Which brings me to the Corvette, which turned out to be, frankly, a bit scary. The Z06 gets an Eatonsupercharged LT4 6.2-litre V8 making 650bhp (a lot) and 650lb ft (a very lot). But the bare horsepower isn’t really the abiding impression – it’s the torque. From 2,500rpm to 5,400rpm, you get a kidney-popping 592lb ft. On track, that translates to a car that will go fast in any gear, at any time. And one that can spin its rear wheels, even bound with enormous track-spec 335/ZR20 Michelin Sport Cup 2 tyres, whenever it wants. It’s the only manual here (and a 7spd), and although the throw is long, the lag between gates is soon negated by the blow-to-the-forehead delivery once the clutch plates are back together. I think the GT-R may have given a false sense of security, but in the Vette I was definitely much, much quicker with its Performance Traction Management system fully engaged in Track mode, and the electronic LSD working hard, rather than everything off. And, boy, does this thing make a case for itself. All the good bits of the Stingray, but with more of everything: 37 per cent more power, 40 per cent more torque. Better – sometimes astonishing – carbon-ceramic brakes; a great bass-gurgle of a noise; flat, hard cornering, thanks to sophisticated magnetic damping, and the ability to spit the world backwards on any given straight. But the Z06 is also a car that requires you to step up. Driving it fast is easy: driving it to its potential is another thing entirely. The steering feels a little fake-heavy, and it doesn’t have the adjustability of the Ferrari or the four-square grip of the GT-R.
Which brings me to the Corvette, which turned out to be, frankly, a bit scary. The Z06 gets an Eatonsupercharged LT4 6.2-litre V8 making 650bhp (a lot) and 650lb ft (a very lot). But the bare horsepower isn’t really the abiding impression – it’s the torque. From 2,500rpm to 5,400rpm, you get a kidney-popping 592lb ft. On track, that translates to a car that will go fast in any gear, at any time. And one that can spin its rear wheels, even bound with enormous track-spec 335/ZR20 Michelin Sport Cup 2 tyres, whenever it wants. It’s the only manual here (and a 7spd), and although the throw is long, the lag between gates is soon negated by the blow-to-the-forehead delivery once the clutch plates are back together. I think the GT-R may have given a false sense of security, but in the Vette I was definitely much, much quicker with its Performance Traction Management system fully engaged in Track mode, and the electronic LSD working hard, rather than everything off. And, boy, does this thing make a case for itself. All the good bits of the Stingray, but with more of everything: 37 per cent more power, 40 per cent more torque. Better – sometimes astonishing – carbon-ceramic brakes; a great bass-gurgle of a noise; flat, hard cornering, thanks to sophisticated magnetic damping, and the ability to spit the world backwards on any given straight. But the Z06 is also a car that requires you to step up. Driving it fast is easy: driving it to its potential is another thing entirely. The steering feels a little fake-heavy, and it doesn’t have the adjustability of the Ferrari or the four-square grip of the GT-R.
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that sounds about right as the acceleration test showed it was 0-62 in 3.3 vs the 3.0 of 458 and 2.7 of NISMO. so it gave up a bit there
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That was good comparison of cars, surprised how well the little Cayman did, image if Porsche shoved a twin turbo in that or the Gt3's 4ltr.
The Ferrari and Z06 tie in my mind for best audio.
The Ferrari and Z06 tie in my mind for best audio.
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Could this be another case of misadjusted rear caster? The gap looks suspiciously similar to the one that Motor Trend had when they did their comparison test.
How the heck do you adjust the rear caster, anyway?
How the heck do you adjust the rear caster, anyway?
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That is an extreme disappointment.
And if Tadge says again it's due to rear caster and yet still 99% of dealerships can't even actually adjust it? Then they deserve to get owned like this.
And if Tadge says again it's due to rear caster and yet still 99% of dealerships can't even actually adjust it? Then they deserve to get owned like this.
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But wait for the Ring time, Do the math! Seriously, GM had already built a car as good as they could make in the ZR1. By benchmarking that in house model, they got left in the weeds by the brands that made far more progress without the mouthpiece that is Tadge and Welborn. Epic fail.
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Wow the Merc did really well
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and here is what they said about the NISMO compared to the Z06 and 458 as those 3 were in the same class in the test
I was expecting the Nissan to be fast, but I didn’t expect it to hurt me. Actually hurt. On some of the long left-handers, I had to bear down into my core and crank my neck rigid just to make it around semiconscious. And there was a distinct feeling that with all the blood pooled into the right-hand side of my body, my heart just might pump air rather than liquid, delivering the world’s most flatulent heart attack. Honestly, the grip it produces for a road car is simply astonishing. And it feels much more mechanical than aerodynamic. Yes, the Nismo has an extra 100kg of downforce over the standard GT-R, thanks to bits nicked from the Super GT racing car, including a wider front end, lengthened rear bumper and that big, tuner-tastic boot wing, but that stuff doesn’t come into play until silly speeds. What it does have at sub-light speeds is customdeveloped Bilstein DampTronic dampers, different – hollow – anti-roll bars and new upper links for the suspension, the astounding ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive and those super-sticky Dunlop tyres. The 3.8-litre bi-turbo V6 has also had a few tweaks, but again, it sounds like a little that translates into a lot.
The turbos are stolen from Nissan’s GT3 racing car, there’s a new ECU controlling both them and the higher-capacity fuel pump, and although a 50bhp/14lb ft jump over standard doesn’t sound like much, it feels like it: the Nismo feels like it spins faster, breathes more freely, gets going with more hunger. What that package gives you is the ability to set the car into a corner, all but floor it, and cannon out of the other side with all of your features swept to the opposite side of your face. It will oversteer in Race mode, but guessing at the relative speeds, I think you’re probably better avoiding the GT-R’s showboating, nailing a decent line and making use of all that delicious traction. Given the slingshot, you can then use brakes that cause you to make little involuntary ‘oof’ noises, a gearbox that feels even quicker than standard, and a more fluent feel than any GT-R I’ve ever driven. It feels lighter than usual (it is, but only by a marginal 20kg, thanks to carbon bucket seats and a few other bits), more direct, more pointy than ever before. It’s more aware and connected, and turns in neck-snappingly hard. The steering isn’t as sweet as the Ferrari’s, the engine noise is whooshy and metallic in comparison, and where the Speciale requires delicacy and feels tippytoes nervy, the GT-R is real scruff-of-the-neck, bootin-the-face stuff. But when it comes to nailing a lap time, I don’t think I was far off the Ferrari – even with similar power and a 300kg weight disadvantage. The GT-R has grip and mid-range wallop that’ll make you feel sick. In a good way. It’s not exactly poetic, but it’s about as effective as it gets.
I was expecting the Nissan to be fast, but I didn’t expect it to hurt me. Actually hurt. On some of the long left-handers, I had to bear down into my core and crank my neck rigid just to make it around semiconscious. And there was a distinct feeling that with all the blood pooled into the right-hand side of my body, my heart just might pump air rather than liquid, delivering the world’s most flatulent heart attack. Honestly, the grip it produces for a road car is simply astonishing. And it feels much more mechanical than aerodynamic. Yes, the Nismo has an extra 100kg of downforce over the standard GT-R, thanks to bits nicked from the Super GT racing car, including a wider front end, lengthened rear bumper and that big, tuner-tastic boot wing, but that stuff doesn’t come into play until silly speeds. What it does have at sub-light speeds is customdeveloped Bilstein DampTronic dampers, different – hollow – anti-roll bars and new upper links for the suspension, the astounding ATTESA E-TS all-wheel drive and those super-sticky Dunlop tyres. The 3.8-litre bi-turbo V6 has also had a few tweaks, but again, it sounds like a little that translates into a lot.
The turbos are stolen from Nissan’s GT3 racing car, there’s a new ECU controlling both them and the higher-capacity fuel pump, and although a 50bhp/14lb ft jump over standard doesn’t sound like much, it feels like it: the Nismo feels like it spins faster, breathes more freely, gets going with more hunger. What that package gives you is the ability to set the car into a corner, all but floor it, and cannon out of the other side with all of your features swept to the opposite side of your face. It will oversteer in Race mode, but guessing at the relative speeds, I think you’re probably better avoiding the GT-R’s showboating, nailing a decent line and making use of all that delicious traction. Given the slingshot, you can then use brakes that cause you to make little involuntary ‘oof’ noises, a gearbox that feels even quicker than standard, and a more fluent feel than any GT-R I’ve ever driven. It feels lighter than usual (it is, but only by a marginal 20kg, thanks to carbon bucket seats and a few other bits), more direct, more pointy than ever before. It’s more aware and connected, and turns in neck-snappingly hard. The steering isn’t as sweet as the Ferrari’s, the engine noise is whooshy and metallic in comparison, and where the Speciale requires delicacy and feels tippytoes nervy, the GT-R is real scruff-of-the-neck, bootin-the-face stuff. But when it comes to nailing a lap time, I don’t think I was far off the Ferrari – even with similar power and a 300kg weight disadvantage. The GT-R has grip and mid-range wallop that’ll make you feel sick. In a good way. It’s not exactly poetic, but it’s about as effective as it gets.
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here is what they said about the Ferrari exhaust note
The Speciale is something of a final, firework flourish for the 458 Italia before it gets superceded by the turbocharged 488 GTB, and when it comes to naturally aspirated genius, it’s not so much a bonfire-night rocket as a very noisy surface-to-surface missile. Though the word ‘noisy’ feels inadequate when describing what this 597bhp, 9,000rpm V8 sounds like smashing repeatedly into the rev-limiter. ‘Borderline illegal’ is probably more appropriate, if only because ‘sonic battering ram’ sounds too much like something in Doctor Who’s toolbox. But, honestly, this isn’t just evocative (it reaches right into your autophiliac hindbrain and flicks switches usually reserved for private use, and it’s not some magic valve system, either) – get anywhere above about 1,800rpm and the exhaust will start to blare like God’s own trumpet. The noise is just part of the story. The engine has been modified with high-lift cams, different pistons and shorter inlet tracts (as well as that exhaust) to produce something of a masterpiece.
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As far as "Top gear" I watched it a few times till I'm sick of it and that is less than a minute. The clowns should switch to comic strip
or circus material.
It was on yesterday and they had airplanes playing with cars.
If your 16 and your knowing nothing about cars you might like it
or circus material.
It was on yesterday and they had airplanes playing with cars.
If your 16 and your knowing nothing about cars you might like it
For those who haven't seen it:
How in the world, as a man, could you not love a game of laser tag in super cars against some fighter planes??!?!?!
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Wow what a fail for driving with the standing start and over steering corrections all losing time.
The Z06 with Germanys top magazine (Autobild magzine) killed the 458 speciale, Huracan, 911 Turbo S. GT3, ect by 2 sec a lap and posted the fastest time at Sachenring ever by any production car.
Just goes to show the difference between drivers. As well as no one can pull any BS when the video below is a European magazine test as well seems we always see the "tested by US mags so its gotta be rigged".
The Z06 with Germanys top magazine (Autobild magzine) killed the 458 speciale, Huracan, 911 Turbo S. GT3, ect by 2 sec a lap and posted the fastest time at Sachenring ever by any production car.
Just goes to show the difference between drivers. As well as no one can pull any BS when the video below is a European magazine test as well seems we always see the "tested by US mags so its gotta be rigged".
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