Jeremy Clarkson's Z06 review is in.
05-16-2015, 03:04 PM
#181
Jeremy Clarkson, Randy Pobst & Oscar Wilde
JC's review of the Z06 in The Times has had a huge response in this forum. That is his shtick - by being controversial he has attracted attention and earned a fortune as a journalist (not easy). Another outrageous Englishman, Oscar Wilde, said, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
JC reported the same phenomena as Randy Pobst: entry understeer and excessive throttle-on oversteer. When it was learned that the Z06 Pobst drove at Willow Springs was misaligned at the rear, notably the rear caster, Pobst was given another Z06 correctly aligned, and he reported the handling woes cured. Perhaps JC drove a car from the same Bowling Green alignment rack guy as Pobst's first, and he detected the same problem ... or The Stig drove the car and told JC about it. When my new Z06 arrives at the dealer's in a few weeks, the first thing done will be a rear wheel alignment. Later, if GM hasn't done anything about Z06 overheating after a few laps on a track, extra cooling capacity (fortunately JC didn't know about that one).
JC reported the same phenomena as Randy Pobst: entry understeer and excessive throttle-on oversteer. When it was learned that the Z06 Pobst drove at Willow Springs was misaligned at the rear, notably the rear caster, Pobst was given another Z06 correctly aligned, and he reported the handling woes cured. Perhaps JC drove a car from the same Bowling Green alignment rack guy as Pobst's first, and he detected the same problem ... or The Stig drove the car and told JC about it. When my new Z06 arrives at the dealer's in a few weeks, the first thing done will be a rear wheel alignment. Later, if GM hasn't done anything about Z06 overheating after a few laps on a track, extra cooling capacity (fortunately JC didn't know about that one).
05-16-2015, 05:06 PM
#182
Instructor
JC's review of the Z06 in The Times has had a huge response in this forum. That is his shtick - by being controversial he has attracted attention and earned a fortune as a journalist (not easy). Another outrageous Englishman, Oscar Wilde, said, "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
JC reported the same phenomena as Randy Pobst: entry understeer and excessive throttle-on oversteer. When it was learned that the Z06 Pobst drove at Willow Springs was misaligned at the rear, notably the rear caster, Pobst was given another Z06 correctly aligned, and he reported the handling woes cured. Perhaps JC drove a car from the same Bowling Green alignment rack guy as Pobst's first, and he detected the same problem ... or The Stig drove the car and told JC about it. When my new Z06 arrives at the dealer's in a few weeks, the first thing done will be a rear wheel alignment. Later, if GM hasn't done anything about Z06 overheating after a few laps on a track, extra cooling capacity (fortunately JC didn't know about that one).
JC reported the same phenomena as Randy Pobst: entry understeer and excessive throttle-on oversteer. When it was learned that the Z06 Pobst drove at Willow Springs was misaligned at the rear, notably the rear caster, Pobst was given another Z06 correctly aligned, and he reported the handling woes cured. Perhaps JC drove a car from the same Bowling Green alignment rack guy as Pobst's first, and he detected the same problem ... or The Stig drove the car and told JC about it. When my new Z06 arrives at the dealer's in a few weeks, the first thing done will be a rear wheel alignment. Later, if GM hasn't done anything about Z06 overheating after a few laps on a track, extra cooling capacity (fortunately JC didn't know about that one).
I'm in my mid 50 now, but as a budding young wrench working at the local 'heat and beat' back in the mid 70's, I'd drag cars in all morning, and try to make em to run again all afternoon. (While my boss sat in the office drinking cheap whiskey, barking orders). The Corvette was always plagued with the overheating, its in their DNA. Aero cars are buggers, no real grill, big motors, emissions pushing block temps into the stratosphere, plastics and composites that will not absorb, let alone dissipate heat?? Its a miracle these things even exist in the first place, let alone work as well as they do. 78's, like I have were the original Smog hogs. They were PIGs when they were new, and mine was still a pig I got it. She was a grumpy, hot, noisy, boiling, smelly rolling oil leak. Quite frankly, it was just how the General shipped em'. Now, with a modern cam, electric fans, a triple core alum rad, better ignition, noise matting and decent modern gasketing... I would not hesitate to drive it coast to coast and back. There is no reason to think that in a few years, the real engineers, you know, guys in filthy overalls with beer breath that aren't constrained by sales projections, boardrooms, corporate politicks or having to design parts and pieces to a budget figured to the fourth decimal point,,, will have that Z06 humping at 190 rock solid degrees on an Arizona afternoon in July... rear wheels dead straight and getting 30 mpg.
Corvettes, like the one I have now, were always temperamental. Count on your new one being no different... Buy their, it's, nature have to be. Caddy and the Vette were always test beds; (oh, and world benchmarks by-the-way) they, we, you are the pioneers... Your new rig will, without fail, **** you off and not give you the up time you'd like, but it WILL be best in class, count on it.
Car guys know that, JC knows that, the jokers at BMW,,,, er,,, Car and Driver magazine know it too. Everyone is so quick to bash the Vette, not just Clarkson, it's almost everyone. Of course, none of these critics ever worry about how to afford a decent car. What, you wanna drive an Avetadore? Sure! You need a Maserati for the weekend? Where do we send it? Along with a complementary team of factory reps and wrenches.
Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, nothing, and I mean NOTHING will touch a Vette of any era for value. If you stay away from the check list and keep it real, you can still get a Corvette,,, YES a whole friggin Corvette for the cost of 25,000 mile service on a Bentley Vyron.
Last edited by ThePabst; 05-16-2015 at 08:27 PM.
05-16-2015, 09:36 PM
#183
Racer
I don't like you either Jeremy. Signed Z06
05-16-2015, 10:25 PM
#184
Team Owner
BUILT 4L60E's can handle 1k HP. Why do you idiots think he is using a stock tranny behind his built engine?
Lots of ignorance being spread around.
BTW, Clarkson has a strong dislike for the GEN V Viper.
Lots of ignorance being spread around.
BTW, Clarkson has a strong dislike for the GEN V Viper.
05-17-2015, 12:02 AM
#185
05-17-2015, 12:06 AM
#186
His complaints are valid with the tires in the cold and wet (and he may have had some interesting alignment like motortrend did), but he's a car guy, he should know this and comment appropriately.
05-17-2015, 01:17 AM
#187
Melting Slicks
That kind of power needs a built 4L80E.
Also maybe he should be clarifying that his trans has been modded. Because stock it sure as hell isn't going to take 1k hp without blowing into pieces.
Also you should read his posts, they're utterly hilarious.
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05-17-2015, 01:23 AM
#188
Even built a 4l60e isn't going to take that kind of pounding for long.
That kind of power needs a built 4L80E.
Also maybe he should be clarifying that his trans has been modded. Because stock it sure as hell isn't going to take 1k hp without blowing into pieces.
Also you should read his posts, they're utterly hilarious.
That kind of power needs a built 4L80E.
Also maybe he should be clarifying that his trans has been modded. Because stock it sure as hell isn't going to take 1k hp without blowing into pieces.
Also you should read his posts, they're utterly hilarious.
05-17-2015, 07:19 PM
#190
Drifting
Actually it is 99lbs lighter. Close enough. Also you are aware is way stiffer than steel right? The C6 which was stiffer than the C5, is out done by 40 percent in rigidity of the C7.
You do realize, that a GTR 3.5 DOHC TT V6 is HEAVIER than the LT4 right? To say nothing of the weight of the 458 engine, or the F12s for that matter. SBCs are lighter, and smaller. You know why they use DOHC small displacement engines that rev to the moon? Because, europe has BS displacement regulations (ie taxes that go with it). Otherwise they'd have 6+ liter V8s too. Furthermore, large displacement DOHC engines are even bigger still than smaller and already heavier than SBC engines are.
Another advantage of high torque low reving engines? it's faster in slow and mid speed cornering. Period. There's tons of places where a lower revving engine can find speed vs a higher one.
Fun fact, aircraft manufacturers, in ww2 determined in several experiments that lower displacement higher rpm engines were flat out less efficient than a given larger displacement engine making the same power otherwise. The reason is physics. Bigger engines, in high power applications burn less fuel, and generate vastly less wear and tear. You know why F1 uses high revving engines? They have displacement limitations. Which means the only option to generate power is higher and higher RPMs.
Put it this way, the most powerful internal combustion engines on the planet aren't DOHC weeny engines. Ever stop to think of why?
Call me when F1 cars are generating 10,000 hp. They're massive, HUGE, big block pushrod engines in Top Fuel Dragsters.
Actually it does. It burns down the GT3 so hard in cornering it's not even fair to the P car. The ZO6, has MORE cornering grip, than the 918...which is vastly superior to the GT3. That should tell you something. And they all run on the same tire.
Sorry, technology has advanced since 1997. Your C5 is every bit as dated as my C4, and as two of my buddies C3s, comparatively speaking. That's assuming you actually own a corvette.
Now if you want to cry some more (by the way I'm 30..so unless you are like 12 calling me pops is actually more creepy than insulting) go right ahead.
The difference between actual car guys...and people like you... at best you're the type that just opens the wallet and has someone put something on for you....at best. There's no actual knowledge there. For you, German Engineering is something an actual thing, rather than marketing hype, and everything is mystically better, because it has a euro badge on it.
You do realize, that a GTR 3.5 DOHC TT V6 is HEAVIER than the LT4 right? To say nothing of the weight of the 458 engine, or the F12s for that matter. SBCs are lighter, and smaller. You know why they use DOHC small displacement engines that rev to the moon? Because, europe has BS displacement regulations (ie taxes that go with it). Otherwise they'd have 6+ liter V8s too. Furthermore, large displacement DOHC engines are even bigger still than smaller and already heavier than SBC engines are.
Another advantage of high torque low reving engines? it's faster in slow and mid speed cornering. Period. There's tons of places where a lower revving engine can find speed vs a higher one.
Fun fact, aircraft manufacturers, in ww2 determined in several experiments that lower displacement higher rpm engines were flat out less efficient than a given larger displacement engine making the same power otherwise. The reason is physics. Bigger engines, in high power applications burn less fuel, and generate vastly less wear and tear. You know why F1 uses high revving engines? They have displacement limitations. Which means the only option to generate power is higher and higher RPMs.
Put it this way, the most powerful internal combustion engines on the planet aren't DOHC weeny engines. Ever stop to think of why?
Call me when F1 cars are generating 10,000 hp. They're massive, HUGE, big block pushrod engines in Top Fuel Dragsters.
Actually it does. It burns down the GT3 so hard in cornering it's not even fair to the P car. The ZO6, has MORE cornering grip, than the 918...which is vastly superior to the GT3. That should tell you something. And they all run on the same tire.
Sorry, technology has advanced since 1997. Your C5 is every bit as dated as my C4, and as two of my buddies C3s, comparatively speaking. That's assuming you actually own a corvette.
Now if you want to cry some more (by the way I'm 30..so unless you are like 12 calling me pops is actually more creepy than insulting) go right ahead.
The difference between actual car guys...and people like you... at best you're the type that just opens the wallet and has someone put something on for you....at best. There's no actual knowledge there. For you, German Engineering is something an actual thing, rather than marketing hype, and everything is mystically better, because it has a euro badge on it.
What I've been trying to drill home is that Clarkson's position on the C7Z is spot on. He is responding to the BS marketing hype implying that the C7Z is a world class super car. As I have pointed out, the C7 is based on a very tired design and certainly not world class. The only reason why the C7 exists in the tired form that it does is because GM went bankrupt and had to cancel the mid engine program.
My C5 will blow the doors off of any stock C7, on ANY track. My C5 is most certainly not a world class supercar and, thus, neither is any car based on the same tired design. If the C7 would have used the platform it was supposed to (mid engine) with a proper super car engine and transmission then I would be blasting clarkson for his review but, of course, if clarkson had tested a proper supercar then he wouldn't have written the review he had, now would he?
LOL. Your argument as to why high end car manufactures don't use push rod engines is just stupid. Taxation is preventing Ferarri from using truck engines in their cars??!!?
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05-17-2015, 07:37 PM
#191
Instructor
Oh god, even a GM pimp like me knows 4L was still-born; reminds me of the TH200 in the Vega, Monza, Aster and Forenza. It Just barely got the Cheyenne and Silverado out of warrantee and KILLED the Impala SS... I'm a tranny guy, if you think for one minute that, that grenade of a tranny was worth it's weight in dog S**t, you need counseling. Or, your used to Chrysler products... fess up.
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05-17-2015, 08:14 PM
#192
Melting Slicks
I think we're having two different conversations pops (lol, I'm only middle-aged (aka 30s))
What I've been trying to drill home is that Clarkson's position on the C7Z is spot on. He is responding to the BS marketing hype implying that the C7Z is a world class super car. As I have pointed out, the C7 is based on a very tired design and certainly not world class. The only reason why the C7 exists in the tired form that it does is because GM went bankrupt and had to cancel the mid engine program.
My C5 will blow the doors off of any stock C7, on ANY track. My C5 is most certainly not a world class supercar and, thus, neither is any car based on the same tired design. If the C7 would have used the platform it was supposed to (mid engine) with a proper super car engine and transmission then I would be blasting clarkson for his review but, of course, if clarkson had tested a proper supercar then he wouldn't have written the review he had, now would he?
LOL. Your argument as to why high end car manufactures don't use push rod engines is just stupid. Taxation is preventing Ferarri from using truck engines in their cars??!!?
What I've been trying to drill home is that Clarkson's position on the C7Z is spot on. He is responding to the BS marketing hype implying that the C7Z is a world class super car. As I have pointed out, the C7 is based on a very tired design and certainly not world class. The only reason why the C7 exists in the tired form that it does is because GM went bankrupt and had to cancel the mid engine program.
My C5 will blow the doors off of any stock C7, on ANY track. My C5 is most certainly not a world class supercar and, thus, neither is any car based on the same tired design. If the C7 would have used the platform it was supposed to (mid engine) with a proper super car engine and transmission then I would be blasting clarkson for his review but, of course, if clarkson had tested a proper supercar then he wouldn't have written the review he had, now would he?
LOL. Your argument as to why high end car manufactures don't use push rod engines is just stupid. Taxation is preventing Ferarri from using truck engines in their cars??!!?
05-17-2015, 08:27 PM
#193
Instructor
Don't you think its odd that you are the only one who thinks his review is "spot on" ? And you think your modded, outdated, old C5 is in the same league as the C7?? Wow, you need to put down what ever it is you are smoking/drinking! Im guessing you have never driven a C7 ZO6?
05-17-2015, 08:45 PM
#194
Melting Slicks
I think we're having two different conversations pops (lol, I'm only middle-aged (aka 30s))
What I've been trying to drill home is that Clarkson's position on the C7Z is spot on. He is responding to the BS marketing hype implying that the C7Z is a world class super car. As I have pointed out, the C7 is based on a very tired design and certainly not world class. The only reason why the C7 exists in the tired form that it does is because GM went bankrupt and had to cancel the mid engine program.
My C5 will blow the doors off of any stock C7, on ANY track. My C5 is most certainly not a world class supercar and, thus, neither is any car based on the same tired design. If the C7 would have used the platform it was supposed to (mid engine) with a proper super car engine and transmission then I would be blasting clarkson for his review but, of course, if clarkson had tested a proper supercar then he wouldn't have written the review he had, now would he?
LOL. Your argument as to why high end car manufactures don't use push rod engines is just stupid. Taxation is preventing Ferarri from using truck engines in their cars??!!?
What I've been trying to drill home is that Clarkson's position on the C7Z is spot on. He is responding to the BS marketing hype implying that the C7Z is a world class super car. As I have pointed out, the C7 is based on a very tired design and certainly not world class. The only reason why the C7 exists in the tired form that it does is because GM went bankrupt and had to cancel the mid engine program.
My C5 will blow the doors off of any stock C7, on ANY track. My C5 is most certainly not a world class supercar and, thus, neither is any car based on the same tired design. If the C7 would have used the platform it was supposed to (mid engine) with a proper super car engine and transmission then I would be blasting clarkson for his review but, of course, if clarkson had tested a proper supercar then he wouldn't have written the review he had, now would he?
LOL. Your argument as to why high end car manufactures don't use push rod engines is just stupid. Taxation is preventing Ferarri from using truck engines in their cars??!!?
The C5 and C7 have nothing to do with one another in over all design.
And I highly doubt your C5 can handle a C7Z. I doubt it can handle my modded C4, because you think a 4L60E is capable of withstanding 1k hp. Even built that's not going to happen. That tells me all I need to know about how lacking your knowledge is.
Which by the way also has a carbon spring. (and was the first gen with them)
By the way, the C7 has a 50/50 weight distribution. Your C5 has a 51/49. Same as my C4. They are front mid engine cars.
It doesn't matter where you put the engine, if the weight distribution comes out to 50/50.
By the way, Porsche uses a tired old design for it's suspension that dates back to the 40s. Same with the second worst engine placement known to man (rear. not mid but Rear).
Actually that's exactly why. There are stiff penalties, both for owning, and selling large displacement engines in europe, which many buyers find unappealing. You think our GGT is bad? Europes make ours look like a cakewalk by and large. For that matter, European car buyers are also after a given sound, more than they are real performance.
Also, it's flat out physics. More cubic inches = more power. And more power efficiency period. Why do you think WW2 fighter planes, had such massive engines, instead of small high winding engines? The tech was there, for smaller high winding engines even in WW2. Do you know why the engineers turned to big inches? Because they're stronger, lighter, more fuel efficient and generate more power.
Why do you think NHRA engines are massive big blocks? Because to generate maximum power, you need maximum cubic inches. An F1 engine has less than 1/10th the hp of the most dialed in Dragster.
And an Alcohol funny car (which is the same fuel F1 uses) has up to 10 times the power.
Why do you think the LS 427 was banned from ALMS? And Leman in general? Why do you think, GM isn't even allowed to run a 6.2 liter V8 in the current series and is stuck with a 5.5?
Why do you think back in the 60s, Ferrari whined moaned and complained so hard and so loud, before threatening to leave Leman, to get the GT40's 427 banned? Because cubes matter vastly more than how many cams an engine has and how many rpms it turns.
Ferrari had high rpm screamers even in the 60s, and they got kicked abused, and beaten so hard they threatened to rage quit unless the GT40 had it's nuts clipped.
Fact: The C7Z has destroyed several tracks already, and has already proven to be faster than pretty much anything short of a 918 which is in the million dollar territory. It's faster than the GT3, it's faster than the GTR, in domestic AND foreign circuits.
Fact: Jeremy clarkson, has had a raging hard on against Corvette since the 60s.
Fact Jeremy Clarkson, just got canned, and is infamously known for having the temper of a 5 year old child.
Fact: JC also can't drive worth a damn.
Fact: the C7Z is more than 4x stiffer than your C5.
Fact: Your 4L60E transmission, is a joke that will blow itself to pieces at500hp, let alone 1,000 hp in stock trim. In BUILT trim it can only handle up to 750 hp, reliably. The same as a 700R4 (Because it's literally the exact same trans, aside from the electronics, champ).
Fact: you are suffering under the illusion otherwise.
Fact: Your C5 doesn't have as good of brakes, nor tires
Fact: your C5 doesn't generate downforce in stock trim. It generates lift.
Fact: To generate DF on a C5, you have to add A LOT more drag than a C7Z is going to be packing.
Fact: You're raging.
Last edited by MavsAK; 05-17-2015 at 08:53 PM.
05-17-2015, 08:48 PM
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So, you're going for being a creeper.
The C5 and C7 have nothing to do with one another in over all design.
And I highly doubt your C5 can handle a C7Z. I doubt it can handle my modded C4, because you think a 4L60E is capable of withstanding 1k hp. Even built that's not going to happen. That tells me all I need to know about how lacking your knowledge is.
Which by the way also has a carbon spring. (and was the first gen with them)
By the way, the C7 has a 50/50 weight distribution. Your C5 has a 51/49. Same as my C4. They are front mid engine cars.
It doesn't matter where you put the engine, if the weight distribution comes out to 50/50.
By the way, Porsche uses a tired old design for it's suspension that dates back to the 40s. Same with the second worst engine placement known to man (rear. not mid but Rear).
Actually that's exactly why. There are stiff penalties, both for owning, and selling large displacement engines in europe, which many buyers find unappealing. You think our GGT is bad? Europes make ours look like a cakewalk by and large. For that matter, European car buyers are also after a given sound, more than they are real performance.
Also, it's flat out physics. More cubic inches = more power. And more power efficiency period. Why do you think WW2 fighter planes, had such massive engines, instead of small high winding engines? The tech was there, for smaller high winding engines even in WW2. Do you know why the engineers turned to big inches? Because they're stronger, lighter, more fuel efficient and generate more power.
Why do you think NHRA engines are massive big blocks? Because to generate maximum power, you need maximum cubic inches. An F1 engine has less than 1/10th the hp of the most dialed in Dragster.
And an Alcohol funny car (which is the same fuel F1 uses) has up to 10 times the power.
Why do you think the LS 427 was banned from ALMS? And Leman in general? Why do you think, GM isn't even allowed to run a 6.2 liter V8 in the current series and is stuck with a 5.5?
Why do you think back in the 60s, Ferrari whined moaned and complained so hard and so loud, before threatening to leave Leman, to get the GT40's 427 banned? Because cubes matter vastly more than how many cams an engine has and how many rpms it turns.
Ferrari had high rpm screamers even in the 60s, and they got kicked abused, and beaten so hard they threatened to rage quit unless the GT40 had it's nuts clipped.
Fact: The C7Z has destroyed several tracks already, and has already proven to be faster than pretty much anything short of a 918 which is in the million dollar territory. It's faster than the GT3, it's faster than the GTR, in domestic AND foreign circuits.
Fact: Jeremy clarkson, has had a raging hard on against Corvette since the 60s.
Fact Jeremy Clarkson, just got canned, and is infamously known for having the temper of a 5 year old child.
Fact: JC also can't drive worth a damn.
Fact: the C7Z is more than 4x stiffer than your C5.
Fact: Your 4L60E transmission, is a joke that will blow itself to pieces at 600hp, let alone 1,000 hp in stock trim. In BUILT trim it can only handle up to 750 hp, reliably. The same as a 700R4 (Because it's literally the exact same trans, aside from the electronics, champ).
Fact: you are suffering under the illusion otherwise.
Fact: Your C5 doesn't have as good of brakes, nor tires
Fact: your C5 doesn't generate downforce in stock trim. It generates lift.
Fact: To generate DF on a C5, you have to add A LOT more drag than a C7Z is going to be packing.
Fact: You're raging.
The C5 and C7 have nothing to do with one another in over all design.
And I highly doubt your C5 can handle a C7Z. I doubt it can handle my modded C4, because you think a 4L60E is capable of withstanding 1k hp. Even built that's not going to happen. That tells me all I need to know about how lacking your knowledge is.
Which by the way also has a carbon spring. (and was the first gen with them)
By the way, the C7 has a 50/50 weight distribution. Your C5 has a 51/49. Same as my C4. They are front mid engine cars.
It doesn't matter where you put the engine, if the weight distribution comes out to 50/50.
By the way, Porsche uses a tired old design for it's suspension that dates back to the 40s. Same with the second worst engine placement known to man (rear. not mid but Rear).
Actually that's exactly why. There are stiff penalties, both for owning, and selling large displacement engines in europe, which many buyers find unappealing. You think our GGT is bad? Europes make ours look like a cakewalk by and large. For that matter, European car buyers are also after a given sound, more than they are real performance.
Also, it's flat out physics. More cubic inches = more power. And more power efficiency period. Why do you think WW2 fighter planes, had such massive engines, instead of small high winding engines? The tech was there, for smaller high winding engines even in WW2. Do you know why the engineers turned to big inches? Because they're stronger, lighter, more fuel efficient and generate more power.
Why do you think NHRA engines are massive big blocks? Because to generate maximum power, you need maximum cubic inches. An F1 engine has less than 1/10th the hp of the most dialed in Dragster.
And an Alcohol funny car (which is the same fuel F1 uses) has up to 10 times the power.
Why do you think the LS 427 was banned from ALMS? And Leman in general? Why do you think, GM isn't even allowed to run a 6.2 liter V8 in the current series and is stuck with a 5.5?
Why do you think back in the 60s, Ferrari whined moaned and complained so hard and so loud, before threatening to leave Leman, to get the GT40's 427 banned? Because cubes matter vastly more than how many cams an engine has and how many rpms it turns.
Ferrari had high rpm screamers even in the 60s, and they got kicked abused, and beaten so hard they threatened to rage quit unless the GT40 had it's nuts clipped.
Fact: The C7Z has destroyed several tracks already, and has already proven to be faster than pretty much anything short of a 918 which is in the million dollar territory. It's faster than the GT3, it's faster than the GTR, in domestic AND foreign circuits.
Fact: Jeremy clarkson, has had a raging hard on against Corvette since the 60s.
Fact Jeremy Clarkson, just got canned, and is infamously known for having the temper of a 5 year old child.
Fact: JC also can't drive worth a damn.
Fact: the C7Z is more than 4x stiffer than your C5.
Fact: Your 4L60E transmission, is a joke that will blow itself to pieces at 600hp, let alone 1,000 hp in stock trim. In BUILT trim it can only handle up to 750 hp, reliably. The same as a 700R4 (Because it's literally the exact same trans, aside from the electronics, champ).
Fact: you are suffering under the illusion otherwise.
Fact: Your C5 doesn't have as good of brakes, nor tires
Fact: your C5 doesn't generate downforce in stock trim. It generates lift.
Fact: To generate DF on a C5, you have to add A LOT more drag than a C7Z is going to be packing.
Fact: You're raging.
http://jalopnik.com/5119353/jeremy-c...st-car-of-2008
05-17-2015, 09:06 PM
#197
Melting Slicks
And say he doesn't hate corvettes again with a straight face.
For that matter, his review of the C4 too, which you can find on youtube.
05-17-2015, 09:13 PM
#198
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Those reviews are on Top Gear though, which are never to be taken seriously. If he'd hated the car so much, he wouldn't have purchased a 2009 ZR1. But as it turns out: he did.
I think you're taking his attitude towards cars a bit too seriously and you're playing right into his hands doing that. Unclench, loosen up, and enjoy what he says and writes.
I think you're taking his attitude towards cars a bit too seriously and you're playing right into his hands doing that. Unclench, loosen up, and enjoy what he says and writes.
05-17-2015, 11:46 PM
#200
Melting Slicks
Those reviews are on Top Gear though, which are never to be taken seriously. If he'd hated the car so much, he wouldn't have purchased a 2009 ZR1. But as it turns out: he did.
I think you're taking his attitude towards cars a bit too seriously and you're playing right into his hands doing that. Unclench, loosen up, and enjoy what he says and writes.
I think you're taking his attitude towards cars a bit too seriously and you're playing right into his hands doing that. Unclench, loosen up, and enjoy what he says and writes.
The guy's got such a hate going that it's borderline obsessive.
Buying a ZR1 and having like of ONE Corvette doesn't mean jack. Not compared to the rest.
Also, I don't think it's coincidence that the vette that frankly kicks his ZR1's ***, is the one he hates on either. Especially since he just got canned from his job.
Frankly, JC's opinion doesn't matter or count aside from the fact that people take him seriously. JC is a comedian, and a second rate one at that. But people take it straight up.