Z06 C7.R vs 2016 Viper ACR
05-09-2015, 06:30 PM
#61
05-09-2015, 07:39 PM
#63
Safety Car
I would not be surprised if the 177 mph is the ACR top speed. That is faster than necessary for every road course that I can think of. Even the TA got a reduced top speed, due to the simple aero added.
206 mph - non aero Gen 5 Vipers
193 mph - Viper TA (and any with the TA aero)
177 mph - Viper ACR
Makes sense.
206 mph - non aero Gen 5 Vipers
193 mph - Viper TA (and any with the TA aero)
177 mph - Viper ACR
Makes sense.
05-09-2015, 07:48 PM
#64
I would not be surprised if the 177 mph is the ACR top speed. That is faster than necessary for every road course that I can think of. Even the TA got a reduced top speed, due to the simple aero added.
206 mph - non aero Gen 5 Vipers
193 mph - Viper TA (and any with the TA aero)
177 mph - Viper ACR
Makes sense.
206 mph - non aero Gen 5 Vipers
193 mph - Viper TA (and any with the TA aero)
177 mph - Viper ACR
Makes sense.
Now that Tony has posted, and only using his above comments - posters will state this proves that he only wants to promote the Viper, hates the Z06 and it will be his fault this thread is moved to the other cars section - and likely locked indefinitely.
05-09-2015, 08:18 PM
#66
Safety Car
Here's my shot at predicting the future;
Now that Tony has posted, and only using his above comments - posters will state this proves that he only wants to promote the Viper, hates the Z06 and it will be his fault this thread is moved to the other cars section - and likely locked indefinitely.
Now that Tony has posted, and only using his above comments - posters will state this proves that he only wants to promote the Viper, hates the Z06 and it will be his fault this thread is moved to the other cars section - and likely locked indefinitely.
05-09-2015, 08:23 PM
#67
Safety Car
No. Most estimate between $120-130K though. The TA is $105K, and the ACR doesn't have a lot more added to it, other than the carbon brakes, larger aero, and fancy interior bits. You'd still have to deduct the cost of the parts that got replaced from a TA.
Bilsteins coil-overs vs electronic mag-ride cost?
Carbon vs steel brakes?
Interior carbon accents cost?
Larger wing vs shorter wing cost?
Larger splitter vs TA splitter cost?
Wheel/Tire costs are likely a wash.
Bilsteins coil-overs vs electronic mag-ride cost?
Carbon vs steel brakes?
Interior carbon accents cost?
Larger wing vs shorter wing cost?
Larger splitter vs TA splitter cost?
Wheel/Tire costs are likely a wash.
05-09-2015, 08:53 PM
#68
Burning Brakes
While Dodge introduces another incredible and capable ACR Viper GM gives us this?
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/...-z06-c7-r.html
"Chevrolet Introduces 2016 Corvette Z06 C7.R Edition
Track-to-street connection honored with limited production model"
I would rather they honored the "Track-to-street connection" with some serious hardware. The last time I looked at the real C7.R I must have missed the "yellow contrast stitching and striped wheels with yellow brake calipers". What I saw was AP Racing, BBS, Pratt-Miller, and whole raft of serious performance components that could be incorporated into a real track capable Corvette in same way they were in the Z06X concept car of a few years ago.
At some point, if you ignore customers long enough, they will go elsewhere.
http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/...-z06-c7-r.html
"Chevrolet Introduces 2016 Corvette Z06 C7.R Edition
Track-to-street connection honored with limited production model"
I would rather they honored the "Track-to-street connection" with some serious hardware. The last time I looked at the real C7.R I must have missed the "yellow contrast stitching and striped wheels with yellow brake calipers". What I saw was AP Racing, BBS, Pratt-Miller, and whole raft of serious performance components that could be incorporated into a real track capable Corvette in same way they were in the Z06X concept car of a few years ago.
At some point, if you ignore customers long enough, they will go elsewhere.
05-09-2015, 09:15 PM
#69
I think it loses to the new Z06! A8 or M7! In straight line then there still putting V-10's Please buy 1 then check back and give us a report.
Cause there is not 1 bone in my body that wants one.
I'm traveling a few 1000 miles with mine soon. Getting 25 MPH!
In comfort.
The Viper is piece of crap for that! Oh no radio! either and lumpy ride .
The 12 mpg highway this Viper is going to get is making a gas thirsty track car. I heard the track gas is expensive.
If it beats the Z06 after a few laps who cares. It is not going to break the Z06 single laps time EVER! This car needs to compared to the C7
real track car. If want you talk tracking.
Cause there is not 1 bone in my body that wants one.
I'm traveling a few 1000 miles with mine soon. Getting 25 MPH!
In comfort.
The Viper is piece of crap for that! Oh no radio! either and lumpy ride .
The 12 mpg highway this Viper is going to get is making a gas thirsty track car. I heard the track gas is expensive.
If it beats the Z06 after a few laps who cares. It is not going to break the Z06 single laps time EVER! This car needs to compared to the C7
real track car. If want you talk tracking.
05-09-2015, 09:21 PM
#70
Le Mans Master
05-09-2015, 09:22 PM
#71
Melting Slicks
I think it loses to the new Z06! A8 or M7! In straight line then there still putting V-10's Please buy 1 then check back and give us a report.
Cause there is not 1 bone in my body that wants one.
I'm traveling a few 1000 miles with mine soon. Getting 25 MPH!
In comfort.
The Viper is piece of crap for that! Oh no radio! either and lumpy ride .
The 12 mpg highway this Viper is going to get is making a gas thirsty track car. I heard the track gas is expensive.
If it beats the Z06 after a few laps who cares. It is not going to break the Z06 single laps time EVER! This car needs to compared to the C7
real track car. If want you talk tracking.
Cause there is not 1 bone in my body that wants one.
I'm traveling a few 1000 miles with mine soon. Getting 25 MPH!
In comfort.
The Viper is piece of crap for that! Oh no radio! either and lumpy ride .
The 12 mpg highway this Viper is going to get is making a gas thirsty track car. I heard the track gas is expensive.
If it beats the Z06 after a few laps who cares. It is not going to break the Z06 single laps time EVER! This car needs to compared to the C7
real track car. If want you talk tracking.
05-09-2015, 09:29 PM
#73
For those that keep saying the ACR can't be driven every day you are totally wrong and anyone who has owned an ACR will tell you the same thing.
What is comical is whether it be an ACR or a Z06 who would want to drive it everyday anyway, real sports cars should be driven as a treat not a DD.
The fact is you can cry about wings and use ability all you want, the ACR will set the bar real high and GM has never had an answer for it.
What is comical is whether it be an ACR or a Z06 who would want to drive it everyday anyway, real sports cars should be driven as a treat not a DD.
The fact is you can cry about wings and use ability all you want, the ACR will set the bar real high and GM has never had an answer for it.
05-09-2015, 10:03 PM
#74
Team Owner
This is what the press release said....
"The 2016 Dodge Viper ACR with the available Extreme Aero package produces the highest aerodynamic downforce of any production car. During on-track testing, development engineers have experienced nearly 1 ton of downforce at top speed of 177 mph."
Pretty clear that the top speed is 177 MPH.
05-10-2015, 05:34 AM
#75
Melting Slicks
From autoblog:
"Dodge instead turned to an aggressive aerodynamics package that it claims delivers nearly a ton of downforce at the Viper's maximum speed of 177 miles per hour."
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/08/2...-acr-official/
I wonder where all the trolls are who claimed the C7Z06Z07 was a failure because of it's 186mph top speed?
"Dodge instead turned to an aggressive aerodynamics package that it claims delivers nearly a ton of downforce at the Viper's maximum speed of 177 miles per hour."
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/08/2...-acr-official/
I wonder where all the trolls are who claimed the C7Z06Z07 was a failure because of it's 186mph top speed?
05-10-2015, 06:26 AM
#76
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From autoblog:
"Dodge instead turned to an aggressive aerodynamics package that it claims delivers nearly a ton of downforce at the Viper's maximum speed of 177 miles per hour."
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/08/2...-acr-official/
I wonder where all the trolls are who claimed the C7Z06Z07 was a failure because of it's 186mph top speed?
"Dodge instead turned to an aggressive aerodynamics package that it claims delivers nearly a ton of downforce at the Viper's maximum speed of 177 miles per hour."
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/08/2...-acr-official/
I wonder where all the trolls are who claimed the C7Z06Z07 was a failure because of it's 186mph top speed?
05-10-2015, 09:36 AM
#77
05-10-2015, 09:45 AM
#78
Le Mans Master
So, do you think the Z06 C7.R will beat the ACR? That was the question I posted, not if the Viper sucks or if the brand is going to go out of business, or if it's a better road car than a Corvette. Will the Z06 C7.R be faster? After all Chevrolet told us it's the most track capable Corvette ever.
05-10-2015, 10:09 AM
#79
So, can the Z06 C7.R take down the 2016 Viper ACR?
I've been reading the options list for the C7.R, but it's hard to find the equipment that will make this model live up the name. So we have this:
C7.R Edition graphics package
Yellow brake calipers
Black wheels with yellow accent strip and Corvette Racing-logo center caps
New visible carbon fiber hood section
Yellow contrast stitching throughout the interio
Corvette Racing sill plates
Numbered C7.R Edition interior plaque showing the build number, starting with VIN 700001
vs
"The Extreme Aero rear wing, specifically designed for air flow around the Viper's body, stands taller, sits further rearward and features unique end-plates and gurney lip to produce maximum downforce while minimizing straight line drag."
"This car is not a 1-3 lap track special. You can run the car at the track all day, and the performance doesn't fall off."
"All Vipers are engineered to withstand severe track duty in ambient temperatures of 100 degrees Fahrenheit with a professional driver."
I've been reading the options list for the C7.R, but it's hard to find the equipment that will make this model live up the name. So we have this:
C7.R Edition graphics package
Yellow brake calipers
Black wheels with yellow accent strip and Corvette Racing-logo center caps
New visible carbon fiber hood section
Yellow contrast stitching throughout the interio
Corvette Racing sill plates
Numbered C7.R Edition interior plaque showing the build number, starting with VIN 700001
vs
"The Extreme Aero rear wing, specifically designed for air flow around the Viper's body, stands taller, sits further rearward and features unique end-plates and gurney lip to produce maximum downforce while minimizing straight line drag."
"This car is not a 1-3 lap track special. You can run the car at the track all day, and the performance doesn't fall off."
"All Vipers are engineered to withstand severe track duty in ambient temperatures of 100 degrees Fahrenheit with a professional driver."
05-10-2015, 12:28 PM
#80
Drifting
Watered down means a diluted product represented to be full strength and sold for the same price. I'm not seeing the basis for this claim or any sense behind all the hate. Putting some stickers on a Z06/07 slows it by how much? Makes it worse in what way? If nobody wants it, as almost nobody wanted the C6 Z06 Carbon Edition that was an actual improvement over the base Z, then the market price will plunge accordingly. Who is being cheated here? Can't possibly be those who DON'T buy one.