C7 Z06 vs ZR1 Race This Sunday
04-14-2015, 08:11 PM
#102
Melting Slicks
04-14-2015, 09:17 PM
#104
Melting Slicks
I will also say, that dgdoc was a great driver that had a lot of practice. I knew him pretty well and even bought the car from him that ran the 11.43. His car also produced slightly higher dyno numbers than other stock c6 Z06s. I don't believe in factory freaks, but lets just say that car was on the upper end of the gaussian distribution.
Agree with you there, it was not a 1/4 race and the gap was ~1.5 car lengths.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
04-14-2015, 11:53 PM
#105
Le Mans Master
Yeah, Traps and 60ft gets interesting!
Ranger wrote it up, but, I really didn't get it understood.
QUARTER MILE 10.9 sec @ 123.7 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._s_first_test/
I guess more average speed even without trap is faster? I think that makes sense?
I love this:
Now that's Bang for the Buck!
QUARTER MILE 10.9 sec @ 123.7 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._s_first_test/
I guess more average speed even without trap is faster? I think that makes sense?
I love this:
Now that's Bang for the Buck!
04-15-2015, 06:31 AM
#106
Ranger wrote it up, but, I really didn't get it understood.
QUARTER MILE 10.9 sec @ 123.7 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._s_first_test/
I guess more average speed even without trap is faster? I think that makes sense?
I love this:
François Gissy Bicycle World Record 207 mph 333 km/h - YouTube
Now that's Bang for the Buck!
QUARTER MILE 10.9 sec @ 123.7 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._s_first_test/
I guess more average speed even without trap is faster? I think that makes sense?
I love this:
François Gissy Bicycle World Record 207 mph 333 km/h - YouTube
Now that's Bang for the Buck!
That's fast and to darn funny.....
04-15-2015, 07:20 AM
#107
Burning Brakes
Yeah but, who'll pick up the "Chic's?
04-15-2015, 07:30 AM
#108
guy should quit while he's ahead.
04-15-2015, 02:40 PM
#111
04-15-2015, 02:42 PM
#112
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04-15-2015, 04:30 PM
#113
04-16-2015, 06:52 PM
#114
Agree with you there, it was not a 1/4 race and the gap was ~1.5 car lengths.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
You made your point by providing times from your real world experiences at the strip. So I concede your conclusion of .3-.4 difference between the cars. I used the car mag’s figures because they were convenient to me and as you can see they normally prove more consistent over the years.
Thanks for the math lesson on time vs distance. However in your haste to prove fault in what I stated you proved my point yet again. Below is my statement.
“Point is in sub 12 second cars .2 seconds isn’t 2 car lengths.
I know .1 sec is roughly a car length in conventional drag racing logic.
But that wisdom is flawed once you enter into sub 12 second 1/4s.”
Seems to me we are in violent agreement that .1 is not one car the faster you go.
That brings me back to my original assertion. Which was, a ZR1 would be hard pressed to put 2 cars on a C6 Z06 in a ¼ mile. And I believe this is a correct statement.
Your math is spot on. So humor me and let me restate my assertion in a question. Does anyone here believe a stock ZR1 will put 3.5 to 5 cars on a stock C6 Z06 in the ¼? Because that’s what .3 to .4 seconds is.
04-16-2015, 07:08 PM
#115
Team Owner
Agree with you there, it was not a 1/4 race and the gap was ~1.5 car lengths.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
Convenient that you left out some of the faster ZR1 mag times like 11.2 from MT in 2009 or the GM specs of 11.3 vs 11.7. Though, I wasn't even talking about mag times, but real world times from a drag strip same track same day with equally skilled drivers. Dec. '09 @ MIR Kyle running a 10.74 in his ZR1 and Ranger running a 11.10 in his Z06 or Apr '09 @ MIR where I ran a 11.05 in the ZR1 (first time at the track) and dgdoc ran 11.43 in his Z06. I can list more examples if you want but equal drivers and conditions it is generally a .3 to .4 sec difference.
Now here is where you went completely off track. It is exactly opposite. The faster the cars are going the larger the gap for a given time difference. You might want to "do the math" as Tadge would say.
Lets say the ZR1 finishes the 1/4 and then (for your sake) the Z06 finishes .2 sec later. If the Z06 was traveling an average speed of 125mph for that last .2 sec it would travel a distance of 36.6 ft, which happens to be more than 2 car lengths, before crossing the finish line. The faster the cars go the great the distance gap for a given time difference.
04-16-2015, 09:17 PM
#116
Melting Slicks
04-16-2015, 11:29 PM
#117
Melting Slicks
Thanks for the math lesson on time vs distance. However in your haste to prove fault in what I stated you proved my point yet again. Below is my statement.
“Point is in sub 12 second cars .2 seconds isn’t 2 car lengths.
I know .1 sec is roughly a car length in conventional drag racing logic.
But that wisdom is flawed once you enter into sub 12 second 1/4s.”
Seems to me we are in violent agreement that .1 is not one car the faster you go.
“Point is in sub 12 second cars .2 seconds isn’t 2 car lengths.
I know .1 sec is roughly a car length in conventional drag racing logic.
But that wisdom is flawed once you enter into sub 12 second 1/4s.”
Seems to me we are in violent agreement that .1 is not one car the faster you go.
That brings me back to my original assertion. Which was, a ZR1 would be hard pressed to put 2 cars on a C6 Z06 in a ¼ mile. And I believe this is a correct statement.
Your math is spot on. So humor me and let me restate my assertion in a question. Does anyone here believe a stock ZR1 will put 3.5 to 5 cars on a stock C6 Z06 in the ¼? Because that’s what .3 to .4 seconds is.
You concede that the gap is .3-.4 sec (equal start and equally skilled drivers) and you say my math is spot on, but yet you don't believe the result?
04-17-2015, 12:56 AM
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I think it depends on the DA as the gap will narrow slightly in warmer weather IMO as the zr1 will loose more power than a c6z relatively speaking, so I believe that needs to be taken into consideration when people from different parts of the nation compare results.