Z06 vs. McLaren P1.......
02-17-2015, 07:53 AM
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Z06 base price $78,000.
Add Z07.... $86,000.
That my friends is a bargain. I don't care if you loaded up the non-performance extras to make it $105,000.... that stuff doesn't count.
Does the McLaren have the comfort features available similar to the Vette? If so how much?
So for those of us who could justify the funds to get the Z, this video makes us quite happy. For those who thought they were buying and $86,000 McLaren... not sure what to say.
Add Z07.... $86,000.
That my friends is a bargain. I don't care if you loaded up the non-performance extras to make it $105,000.... that stuff doesn't count.
Does the McLaren have the comfort features available similar to the Vette? If so how much?
So for those of us who could justify the funds to get the Z, this video makes us quite happy. For those who thought they were buying and $86,000 McLaren... not sure what to say.
02-17-2015, 07:56 AM
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Correct. He was braking really early and taking it easy in the corners. He was also super timid coming up behind and passing other cars. People who think the Z06 is like naturally twice as fast in corners = lol. No one wants to spin out a million dollar super car. The only time he pushed it was when it was safe, in the straight.
With pro's at full tilt, after about the first 3-4 turns the Z06 wouldn't have seen the P1 again until the Z06 got lapped.
With pro's at full tilt, after about the first 3-4 turns the Z06 wouldn't have seen the P1 again until the Z06 got lapped.
that P1 is an incredible car, great vid.
02-17-2015, 08:34 AM
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02-17-2015, 09:33 AM
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The Macca is in a different league/purpose car - Fun video and good driving OP; I'd love to do COTA one day
02-17-2015, 10:01 AM
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Great to see the P1 on track, a truly remarkable car. With that said your video and many others of C7z on track demonstrate factory programming keeping engine performance "in check" for 100k powertrain warranty. If your video was filmed in 60* F temps I wonder how much more power may be pulled in 85-95* Texas summers? Does the ECU incrementally pull more power as temps rise and if so when will the car go into "limp home mode" or shut down? It will be interesting to see what GM has planned for upgrading cooling system next model year.
With the obvious said, the C7z is an amazing car and wish I owned one. IMO the design team nailed everything except the power unit and cooling. For those who wish to track this car and push it hard there is the aftermarket to supply cooling upgrades and for those that purchase it for the street it's perfect right off the showroom floor
With the obvious said, the C7z is an amazing car and wish I owned one. IMO the design team nailed everything except the power unit and cooling. For those who wish to track this car and push it hard there is the aftermarket to supply cooling upgrades and for those that purchase it for the street it's perfect right off the showroom floor
02-17-2015, 10:13 AM
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I have a CGT and am overly careful rolling throttle on tight turns. The mid-engine design combined with quick revs/power of the car accentuates the rotation of the car significantly. In those situations, it is extremely difficult/impossible to catch.
For the poor guy with the CGT entering the front straight, he turned and applied power - I had never seen a car rotate (360) so quickly. It was also a damp track.
02-17-2015, 10:21 AM
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Correct. He was braking really early and taking it easy in the corners. He was also super timid coming up behind and passing other cars. People who think the Z06 is like naturally twice as fast in corners = lol. No one wants to spin out a million dollar super car. The only time he pushed it was when it was safe, in the straight.
With pro's at full tilt, after about the first 3-4 turns the Z06 wouldn't have seen the P1 again until the Z06 got lapped.
With pro's at full tilt, after about the first 3-4 turns the Z06 wouldn't have seen the P1 again until the Z06 got lapped.
Cool vid.
02-17-2015, 10:51 AM
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My take is that the P1 driver was running the car much, much slower than its capability, by braking early and even too often, and going very slowly and tentatively through the corners. There is no way the Z06 can come remotely close to a P1 driven at full tilt on track. P1 makes 600 kg (1300 lbs) of downforce at 160 mph with active aero giving low drag in the straights and has a combined power of over 900 HP and weighs just over 3000 lbs dry. You have to just admire the thing and not think a $100k car can keep up with it. I think the OP has it right, P1 is a fabulous thing to behold on track. That blue one is gorgeous.
...there was a lot of performance left on the table with the P1. I think the gap would be much larger had it been driven as it was intended to.
02-17-2015, 11:25 AM
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Have you driven a P1 on the track? In fact, have you driven the Zo7 on the track? And if not, how do know? The weight/hp for the McLaren
is commensurate with what's seen on the straight away in the vid. But I hardly think a P1 driver, at least as competent as this one appears to be, would want to play cat and mouse with the lowly Z, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Which ever, the Z stood up well for itself in this video and that's all I see. I mean you gotta give an edge to the P1 in some performance stat for that 1+ million bucks it cost, and from this vid, if straight away speed is it, not impressed. I'm glad you like the P1, but personally, I'm more impressed with the Z. DN
is commensurate with what's seen on the straight away in the vid. But I hardly think a P1 driver, at least as competent as this one appears to be, would want to play cat and mouse with the lowly Z, maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Which ever, the Z stood up well for itself in this video and that's all I see. I mean you gotta give an edge to the P1 in some performance stat for that 1+ million bucks it cost, and from this vid, if straight away speed is it, not impressed. I'm glad you like the P1, but personally, I'm more impressed with the Z. DN
There's a difference in being incompetent and careful. It seemed clear from the video that this guy was dialing it way back to protect his investment.
As others have said, with equal drivers, it's not even close. I would expect that with a good driver, the Z would hang around with a very careful P1, which is exactly what you see here. I'm not sure what you're so impressed with.
02-17-2015, 11:45 AM
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Anyone "more impressed with the Z06" is simply lying to themselves.
P1 is a phenominal piece of engineering. I only wish I was at a point in my life I could buy one.
Takes nothing from the Z06, but let's be honest.
P1 is a phenominal piece of engineering. I only wish I was at a point in my life I could buy one.
Takes nothing from the Z06, but let's be honest.
02-17-2015, 12:09 PM
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Straight away speed is far from its only advantage. You cant possibly think that...
There's a difference in being incompetent and careful. It seemed clear from the video that this guy was dialing it way back to protect his investment.
As others have said, with equal drivers, it's not even close. I would expect that with a good driver, the Z would hang around with a very careful P1, which is exactly what you see here. I'm not sure what you're so impressed with.
There's a difference in being incompetent and careful. It seemed clear from the video that this guy was dialing it way back to protect his investment.
As others have said, with equal drivers, it's not even close. I would expect that with a good driver, the Z would hang around with a very careful P1, which is exactly what you see here. I'm not sure what you're so impressed with.
It's that worthless 1.7 liter Roots Supercharger.
02-17-2015, 12:16 PM
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Entertaining video but would not call it the ultimate compare either..
Question for the experts. At the 1.16 mark I can only assume both cars went WOT at the straight but, at least from my track experience, the 06 acceleration 60-120 seemed rather slow (I do have experience with 300hp deltas..) so I double checked and in the video it took this 06 approximately ten seconds to do 60-120??
The magazines I have read so far corroborate the 06 official rolling time 60-120 of 6.5ish...
A 3.5 seconds delta just on a ten seconds stretch?
ECU cutting output by 50% ??
Parking brake on?? :-)
Any rational explanation appreciated.
Cheers
Question for the experts. At the 1.16 mark I can only assume both cars went WOT at the straight but, at least from my track experience, the 06 acceleration 60-120 seemed rather slow (I do have experience with 300hp deltas..) so I double checked and in the video it took this 06 approximately ten seconds to do 60-120??
The magazines I have read so far corroborate the 06 official rolling time 60-120 of 6.5ish...
A 3.5 seconds delta just on a ten seconds stretch?
ECU cutting output by 50% ??
Parking brake on?? :-)
Any rational explanation appreciated.
Cheers
02-17-2015, 12:33 PM
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Entertaining video but would not call it the ultimate compare either..
Question for the experts. At the 1.16 mark I can only assume both cars went WOT at the straight but, at least from my track experience, the 06 acceleration 60-120 seemed rather slow (I do have experience with 300hp deltas..) so I double checked and in the video it took this 06 approximately ten seconds to do 60-120??
The magazines I have read so far corroborate the 06 official rolling time 60-120 of 6.5ish...
A 3.5 seconds delta just on a ten seconds stretch?
ECU cutting output by 50% ??
Parking brake on?? :-)
Any rational explanation appreciated.
Cheers
Question for the experts. At the 1.16 mark I can only assume both cars went WOT at the straight but, at least from my track experience, the 06 acceleration 60-120 seemed rather slow (I do have experience with 300hp deltas..) so I double checked and in the video it took this 06 approximately ten seconds to do 60-120??
The magazines I have read so far corroborate the 06 official rolling time 60-120 of 6.5ish...
A 3.5 seconds delta just on a ten seconds stretch?
ECU cutting output by 50% ??
Parking brake on?? :-)
Any rational explanation appreciated.
Cheers
02-17-2015, 12:45 PM
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Melting Slicks
Bish