View Poll Results: Why is the C7 Z06 so Polarizing???
I bought a Z because it's the best performance value on the market
90
38.30%
I'm buying a performance car, but not a Z, because it's not fast enough
15
6.38%
I'm buying a performance car, but not a Z, because it's not engineered and/or built well
16
6.81%
I'm planning to buy a Z when the time is right
95
40.43%
I don't plan to buy a Z or any other performance car now
19
8.09%
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POLL: Why is the Z06 so polarizing???
12-23-2014, 08:29 PM
#121
Safety Car
Haha, I had fun reading that post JMB. Keep in mind that the outcome of the video wasn't expected. It just turned out that way. I still like the C7Z. I'd love to be the first one to get a manual into the 10s, and if they can - I'll figure it out. The A8 cars will be the drag strip monsters, but drag racing an automatic has never interested me. I still enjoy challenging myself, and having something to do with the ET. The funny thing is that it has been almost 2 years since the Viper hit the streets, yet I'm still the only one that has run a 10 without mods. Just some 19" drag radials. It wasn't easy, the clutch sucks at the drag strip.
12-23-2014, 08:36 PM
#122
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Glenn, to answer you question in one word "NINEBALL"! And this is absolutely no disrespect to Tony because I hold him, his integrity, his automotive knowledge and objectivity in the highest regards since I have interfaced with him for many years dating back to the LS1tech Forums. As I mentioned in his post regarding the first Viper/Z06 video he found a way to exploit the current weakness of the new Z. And if you listen to Tony and nspec, they read the reviews and whether "on paper" or actual tests to date 11.2 ET vs 11.3 from a dead stop the 2015 Z06 will spank a new Viper TA! Of course all of the Viper Fanboys will point out that 0.1 seconds isn't a spanking but to me when you're beat....you're beat, just like Tony beat nspec on a roll race.
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds
and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver 
After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds
and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
12-23-2014, 09:26 PM
#123
Burning Brakes
I am going to answer as dryly as possible. There is no intent to attack anyone else's personal choice or purchase.
These are my gripes and ultimately why this will be probably be the first new Z06 I will not purchase.
Design- Polarizing and in your face. Lots of nice touches like the new hatch and aggressive coke bottle effect to the sides. Beautiful lights and hood too. But too many outlandish elements abound. Japanese/Camaro/Transfromers are not on my list of design cues I want on a Corvette. Those fangs in front - The tacked on "Spats", the narrow front bumper. The Carbon flash paint applied on every accent panel. Also Truly hate that iconic legendary rear styling was jettisoned for a familial Chevy look out back - apparently even the next gen Volt will be looking more like the new C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/20/n...-regen-levels/
Weight/Supercharger - The Z06 Ethos has been Lightest and fastest of all Corvettes with a higher performing Naturally Aspirated engine. Both of those are gone. The approx. 400 lbs gained is shocking. I think many on here would have chosen a higher performing NA engine even with slightly less HP. A slight weight gain would have been acceptable as the C6 gained 80lbs over the C5 variant. But at almost 5X that amount added abandons the original ethos and performance benefits to this model. Plus as someone who likes to track their car on a road course on occasion eating through brakes, tires and other consumables at a higher rate is a big no no for my needs.
Hype, Hyperbole, Lack of results - Tadge calling C6 "Obsolete" is classless. People bought hundreds of thousands of these cars. It's not an iPhone OS update. This was a bad way to kick off the 7th generation. A real lack of understanding of your core buyers.
Crashing at the Ring and then not posting times of either the Base C7 or the replacement Blue Z06 that actually completed it's runs stinks of failure. If the C7 Z06 is truly the "Fastest most track Capable Corvette ever" the 'Ring times should be posted as that has been the Z06 benchmark for the C5 and C6 versions as well as the C6ZR1. Being faster around Milford is not the same as Nurburgring which is an industry benchmark. A lower top speed than a C6 Z06 is another black eye. Car has 145 HP and should easily punch through 200MPH like the new CTS V with the same engine supposedly will do along with the 1000 lb heavier Charger Hellcat.
Running into issue with Motor trends testing both with Probst and regular staff acceleration runs. Now a growing list of the C7 Z ******* at higher speeds against everything from a Viper to a C6Z and even to a lowly Pedal bicycle (who knew those could even hit triple digits).
Multiple threads about poor QC occurrences on this "World Class" car Paint, panel alignment loose leather on seats are not helping either.
These are my gripes and ultimately why this will be probably be the first new Z06 I will not purchase.
Design- Polarizing and in your face. Lots of nice touches like the new hatch and aggressive coke bottle effect to the sides. Beautiful lights and hood too. But too many outlandish elements abound. Japanese/Camaro/Transfromers are not on my list of design cues I want on a Corvette. Those fangs in front - The tacked on "Spats", the narrow front bumper. The Carbon flash paint applied on every accent panel. Also Truly hate that iconic legendary rear styling was jettisoned for a familial Chevy look out back - apparently even the next gen Volt will be looking more like the new C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/20/n...-regen-levels/
Weight/Supercharger - The Z06 Ethos has been Lightest and fastest of all Corvettes with a higher performing Naturally Aspirated engine. Both of those are gone. The approx. 400 lbs gained is shocking. I think many on here would have chosen a higher performing NA engine even with slightly less HP. A slight weight gain would have been acceptable as the C6 gained 80lbs over the C5 variant. But at almost 5X that amount added abandons the original ethos and performance benefits to this model. Plus as someone who likes to track their car on a road course on occasion eating through brakes, tires and other consumables at a higher rate is a big no no for my needs.
Hype, Hyperbole, Lack of results - Tadge calling C6 "Obsolete" is classless. People bought hundreds of thousands of these cars. It's not an iPhone OS update. This was a bad way to kick off the 7th generation. A real lack of understanding of your core buyers.
Crashing at the Ring and then not posting times of either the Base C7 or the replacement Blue Z06 that actually completed it's runs stinks of failure. If the C7 Z06 is truly the "Fastest most track Capable Corvette ever" the 'Ring times should be posted as that has been the Z06 benchmark for the C5 and C6 versions as well as the C6ZR1. Being faster around Milford is not the same as Nurburgring which is an industry benchmark. A lower top speed than a C6 Z06 is another black eye. Car has 145 HP and should easily punch through 200MPH like the new CTS V with the same engine supposedly will do along with the 1000 lb heavier Charger Hellcat.
Running into issue with Motor trends testing both with Probst and regular staff acceleration runs. Now a growing list of the C7 Z ******* at higher speeds against everything from a Viper to a C6Z and even to a lowly Pedal bicycle (who knew those could even hit triple digits).
Multiple threads about poor QC occurrences on this "World Class" car Paint, panel alignment loose leather on seats are not helping either.
agree with everything but the design, mostly which is just personal taste there. Still love the C6Z design. Glad someone said what alot of us are thinking. This is what has most people thinking
Audi R8 GT 5.2L V10 - [2011]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Ferrari 458 Spider 4.5 V8 - [2011]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Ferrari 550 Maranello - [1997]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti F1 - [2004]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Super Trofeo Stradale - [2011]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Mercedes CLK DTM AMG 5.4 V8 - [2004]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Mercedes SL Class 65 AMG V12 Black Series R230 - [2008]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Mercedes SLS AMG GT 6.2 V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Mercedes SLS AMG Roadster GT - [2012]Top Speed - 199 mph (320 kph)
Audi R8 Plus 5.2 V10 - [2012]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Bentley Continental GT 6.0 2d W12 - [2003]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - [2006]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Ferrari 430 Scuderia - [2007]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Spyder - [2011]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Porsche 911 GT2 996 - [2004]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo S 991 - [2013]Top Speed - 198 mph (318 kph)
Audi R8 Plus S-Tronic 5.2 V10 - [2012]Top Speed - 197 mph (317 kph)
Audi R8 Spyder GT 5.2L V10 - [2011]Top Speed - 197 mph (317 kph)
Mercedes SLS 6.2 V8 AMG Coupe DCT-7 - [2009]Top Speed - 197 mph (317 kph)
Nissan Skyline GTR R35 - [2012]Top Speed - 197 mph (317 kph)
Porsche 959 Turbo - [1987]Top Speed - 197 mph (317 kph)
Audi R8 5.2 FSI Quattro V10 - [2009]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Ferrari 512 M - [1994]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Ferrari California T 3.9 V8 Turbo - [2014]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Ferrari F430 4.3 V8 - [2004]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0 V10 - [2003]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0 V10 Superleggera - [2007]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series 6.2 V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Nissan R390 3.5L V8 - [1997]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Porsche 911 GT2 996 - [2000]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Porsche 911 GT3 3.8 991 - [2013]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo 991 - [2013]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo S 997 - [2010]Top Speed - 196 mph (315 kph)
Aston-Martin Vanquish 5.9 V12 - [2000]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
BMW Alpina B5 V8 Switchtronic E60 - [2006]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
Bentley Continental GTC 6.0 W12 Cabrio - [2005]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3 V10 - [2003]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
Ferrari 512 TR - [1992]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0 V10 Spyder - [2005]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
TVR Cerbera 4.5 - [1997]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
TVR Tuscan S 4.0 - [2001]Top Speed - 195 mph (313 kph)
Audi R8 Spyder 5.2L V10 - [2009]Top Speed - 194 mph (312 kph)
Bentley Continental Flying Spur 6.0 W12 - [2005]Top Speed - 194 mph (312 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo 997 - [2009]Top Speed - 194 mph (312 kph)
Audi R8 5.2 V10 Spyder - [2012]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
BMW 3 Series M3 E92 GTS - [2010]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Ferrari California 30 F1 4.3l V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Ferrari California 4.3 V8 - [2008]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Ferrari F430 4.3 V8 Spider - [2005]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Nissan Skyline GT-R Spec V - [2009]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Porsche 911 GT3 4.0 997 - [2011]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997 - [2006]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo 997 - [2006]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Wiesmann GT MF5 - [2009]Top Speed - 193 mph (310 kph)
Bentley Continental V8 S - [2013]Top Speed - 192 mph (308 kph)
Nissan Skyline R35 GTR - [2007]Top Speed - 192 mph (308 kph)
Aston-Martin DBS V12 2d - [2007]Top Speed - 191 mph (307 kph)
Aston-Martin Vantage V8 550 - [1993]Top Speed - 191 mph (307 kph)
Maserati Quattroporte 3.8 V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 191 mph (307 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo S 996 - [2004]Top Speed - 191 mph (307 kph)
Aston-Martin Rapide S 5.9 V12 - [2013]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Aston-Martin Vantage V12 Roadster - [2012]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Aston-Martin Vantage V12 Zagato - [2012]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Audi A6 RS6 Avant 4.0 V8 Twin Turbo - [2012]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Chevrolet Corvette 6.2 V8 2d - [2007]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Dodge Viper GTS - [1996]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3 V10 - [2005]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Ford GT 5.4 V8 - [2003]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Lamborghini Reventon Roadster 6.5L V12 - [2009]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche 911 3.8 Speedster - [2010]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche 911 GT3 996 - [2003]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 996 - [2003]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche 911 Turbo 996 - [2000]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche Panamera 4.8 V8 Turbo S - [2011]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Porsche Panamera Turbo 4.8 V8 - [2013]Top Speed - 190 mph (305 kph)
Between 190mph and 180mph
Ferrari 288 GTO - [1984]Top Speed - 189 mph (304 kph)
Porsche 911 Carrera S 991 - [2011]Top Speed - 189 mph (304 kph)
Aston-Martin Rapide 6.0 V12 - [2009]Top Speed - 188 mph (302 kph)
Bentley Continental GT V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 188 mph (302 kph)
Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet 997 - [2008]Top Speed - 188 mph (302 kph)
Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK 991 - [2011]Top Speed - 188 mph (302 kph)
Porsche Panamera 4.8 V8 Turbo PDK - [2009]Top Speed - 188 mph (302 kph)
Aston-Martin Vantage V8 SP10 - [2013]Top Speed - 187 mph (300 kph)
Audi R8 4.2 FSI Quattro V8 - [2006]Top Speed - 187 mph (300 kph)
Ferrari 465 M GT - [1998]Top Speed - 187 mph (300 kph)
Porsche 911 Carrera S Cabriolet 991 - [2011]Top Speed - 187 mph (300 kph)
Aston-Martin DB9 V12 - [2003]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Audi R8 4.2 V8 S-Tronic FSI Quattro - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Audi R8 6.0 Quattro V12 TDI - [2009]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Audi R8 Spyder 4.2 V8 FSI Quattro S-Tronic - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
BMW Alpina B7 V8 Tiptronic E65 - [2006]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale - [2003]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Ferrari 456 GT 5.5 V12 - [1992]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Ferrari 456 M GT 5.5 GT - [1998]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Jaguar F Type 5.0L V8 S Cabriolet - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Jaguar XF R-S 5.0 V8 - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Jaguar XK R-S 5.0 V8 - [2011]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Jaguar XK R-S GT 5.0 V8 - [2013]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Mercedes C Class 63 AMG Coupe Black Series - [2011]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series - [2007]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Mercedes CLK DTM Cabriolet - [2006]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Mercedes SL Class 63 AMG Performance Package - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Porsche 911 50 Years 911 Edition - [2013]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 991 - [2012]Top Speed - 186 mph (299 kph)
12-23-2014, 09:58 PM
#124
Drifting
Glenn, to answer you question in one word "NINEBALL"! And this is absolutely no disrespect to Tony because I hold him, his integrity, his automotive knowledge and objectivity in the highest regards since I have interfaced with him for many years dating back to the LS1tech Forums. As I mentioned in his post regarding the first Viper/Z06 video he found a way to exploit the current weakness of the new Z. And if you listen to Tony and nspec, they read the reviews and whether "on paper" or actual tests to date 11.2 ET vs 11.3 from a dead stop the 2015 Z06 will spank a new Viper TA! Of course all of the Viper Fanboys will point out that 0.1 seconds isn't a spanking but to me when you're beat....you're beat, just like Tony beat nspec on a roll race.
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds
and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
12-23-2014, 10:54 PM
#125
Glenn, to answer you question in one word "NINEBALL"! And this is absolutely no disrespect to Tony because I hold him, his integrity, his automotive knowledge and objectivity in the highest regards since I have interfaced with him for many years dating back to the LS1tech Forums. As I mentioned in his post regarding the first Viper/Z06 video he found a way to exploit the current weakness of the new Z. And if you listen to Tony and nspec, they read the reviews and whether "on paper" or actual tests to date 11.2 ET vs 11.3 from a dead stop the 2015 Z06 will spank a new Viper TA! Of course all of the Viper Fanboys will point out that 0.1 seconds isn't a spanking but to me when you're beat....you're beat, just like Tony beat nspec on a roll race.
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds
and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
12-24-2014, 12:00 AM
#127
Melting Slicks<br><img src="/forums/images/ranks/3k-4k.gif" border="0">
Weight/Supercharger - The Z06 Ethos has been Lightest and fastest of all Corvettes with a higher performing Naturally Aspirated engine. Both of those are gone. The approx. 400 lbs gained is shocking. I think many on here would have chosen a higher performing NA engine even with slightly less HP. A slight weight gain would have been acceptable as the C6 gained 80lbs over the C5 variant. But at almost 5X that amount added abandons the original ethos and performance benefits to this model. Plus as someone who likes to track their car on a road course on occasion eating through brakes, tires and other consumables at a higher rate is a big no no for my needs.
Hype, Hyperbole, Lack of results - Tadge calling C6 "Obsolete" is classless. People bought hundreds of thousands of these cars. It's not an iPhone OS update. This was a bad way to kick off the 7th generation. A real lack of understanding of your core buyers.
Crashing at the Ring and then not posting times of either the Base C7 or the replacement Blue Z06 that actually completed it's runs stinks of failure. If the C7 Z06 is truly the "Fastest most track Capable Corvette ever" the 'Ring times should be posted as that has been the Z06 benchmark for the C5 and C6 versions as well as the C6ZR1. Being faster around Milford is not the same as Nurburgring which is an industry benchmark.
A lower top speed than a C6 Z06 is another black eye. Car has 145 HP and should easily punch through 200MPH like the new CTS V with the same engine supposedly will do along with the 1000 lb heavier Charger Hellcat.
Running into issue with Motor trends testing both with Probst and regular staff acceleration runs. Now a growing list of the C7 Z ******* at higher speeds against everything from a Viper to a C6Z and even to a lowly Pedal bicycle (who knew those could even hit triple digits).
Multiple threads about poor QC occurrences on this "World Class" car Paint, panel alignment loose leather on seats are not helping either.
12-24-2014, 12:13 AM
#128
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Thank you for your insightful post. Given your vast experience creating polls here, it's particularly meaningful. For the benefit of all 160+ that voted, as well as, those that may choose to create a poll in the future, can you please create a perfectly constructed poll and provide a link to it here? In fact, a poll about how well your poll is constructed might be incredibly helpful.
12-24-2014, 04:55 AM
#129
Le Mans Master
Form Vette Magazine - Not exactly hiding what their favorite car is - real world C7 Z06 test:
"Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance. Combined with 85-degree temps and 70 percent humidity, we could not match GM’s dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Launching it on the Cup tires was extremely tricky, you either got massive wheelspin or a bog so bad you never recovered. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM’s 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed."
http://www.superchevy.com/features/2...ng-boundaries/
More real tests more real problems. How is this car going to perform on a road course in summer and spring with these issues that continue to arise, test after test?
"Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance. Combined with 85-degree temps and 70 percent humidity, we could not match GM’s dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Launching it on the Cup tires was extremely tricky, you either got massive wheelspin or a bog so bad you never recovered. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM’s 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed."
http://www.superchevy.com/features/2...ng-boundaries/
More real tests more real problems. How is this car going to perform on a road course in summer and spring with these issues that continue to arise, test after test?
12-24-2014, 09:16 AM
#130
I am going to answer as dryly as possible. There is no intent to attack anyone else's personal choice or purchase.
These are my gripes and ultimately why this will be probably be the first new Z06 I will not purchase.
Design- Polarizing and in your face. Lots of nice touches like the new hatch and aggressive coke bottle effect to the sides. Beautiful lights and hood too. But too many outlandish elements abound. Japanese/Camaro/Transfromers are not on my list of design cues I want on a Corvette. Those fangs in front - The tacked on "Spats", the narrow front bumper. The Carbon flash paint applied on every accent panel. Also Truly hate that iconic legendary rear styling was jettisoned for a familial Chevy look out back - apparently even the next gen Volt will be looking more like the new C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/20/n...-regen-levels/
Weight/Supercharger - The Z06 Ethos has been Lightest and fastest of all Corvettes with a higher performing Naturally Aspirated engine. Both of those are gone. The approx. 400 lbs gained is shocking. I think many on here would have chosen a higher performing NA engine even with slightly less HP. A slight weight gain would have been acceptable as the C6 gained 80lbs over the C5 variant. But at almost 5X that amount added abandons the original ethos and performance benefits to this model. Plus as someone who likes to track their car on a road course on occasion eating through brakes, tires and other consumables at a higher rate is a big no no for my needs.
Hype, Hyperbole, Lack of results - Tadge calling C6 "Obsolete" is classless. People bought hundreds of thousands of these cars. It's not an iPhone OS update. This was a bad way to kick off the 7th generation. A real lack of understanding of your core buyers.
Crashing at the Ring and then not posting times of either the Base C7 or the replacement Blue Z06 that actually completed it's runs stinks of failure. If the C7 Z06 is truly the "Fastest most track Capable Corvette ever" the 'Ring times should be posted as that has been the Z06 benchmark for the C5 and C6 versions as well as the C6ZR1. Being faster around Milford is not the same as Nurburgring which is an industry benchmark. A lower top speed than a C6 Z06 is another black eye. Car has 145 HP and should easily punch through 200MPH like the new CTS V with the same engine supposedly will do along with the 1000 lb heavier Charger Hellcat.
Running into issue with Motor trends testing both with Probst and regular staff acceleration runs. Now a growing list of the C7 Z ******* at higher speeds against everything from a Viper to a C6Z and even to a lowly Pedal bicycle (who knew those could even hit triple digits).
Multiple threads about poor QC occurrences on this "World Class" car Paint, panel alignment loose leather on seats are not helping either.
These are my gripes and ultimately why this will be probably be the first new Z06 I will not purchase.
Design- Polarizing and in your face. Lots of nice touches like the new hatch and aggressive coke bottle effect to the sides. Beautiful lights and hood too. But too many outlandish elements abound. Japanese/Camaro/Transfromers are not on my list of design cues I want on a Corvette. Those fangs in front - The tacked on "Spats", the narrow front bumper. The Carbon flash paint applied on every accent panel. Also Truly hate that iconic legendary rear styling was jettisoned for a familial Chevy look out back - apparently even the next gen Volt will be looking more like the new C7.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/20/n...-regen-levels/
Weight/Supercharger - The Z06 Ethos has been Lightest and fastest of all Corvettes with a higher performing Naturally Aspirated engine. Both of those are gone. The approx. 400 lbs gained is shocking. I think many on here would have chosen a higher performing NA engine even with slightly less HP. A slight weight gain would have been acceptable as the C6 gained 80lbs over the C5 variant. But at almost 5X that amount added abandons the original ethos and performance benefits to this model. Plus as someone who likes to track their car on a road course on occasion eating through brakes, tires and other consumables at a higher rate is a big no no for my needs.
Hype, Hyperbole, Lack of results - Tadge calling C6 "Obsolete" is classless. People bought hundreds of thousands of these cars. It's not an iPhone OS update. This was a bad way to kick off the 7th generation. A real lack of understanding of your core buyers.
Crashing at the Ring and then not posting times of either the Base C7 or the replacement Blue Z06 that actually completed it's runs stinks of failure. If the C7 Z06 is truly the "Fastest most track Capable Corvette ever" the 'Ring times should be posted as that has been the Z06 benchmark for the C5 and C6 versions as well as the C6ZR1. Being faster around Milford is not the same as Nurburgring which is an industry benchmark. A lower top speed than a C6 Z06 is another black eye. Car has 145 HP and should easily punch through 200MPH like the new CTS V with the same engine supposedly will do along with the 1000 lb heavier Charger Hellcat.
Running into issue with Motor trends testing both with Probst and regular staff acceleration runs. Now a growing list of the C7 Z ******* at higher speeds against everything from a Viper to a C6Z and even to a lowly Pedal bicycle (who knew those could even hit triple digits).
Multiple threads about poor QC occurrences on this "World Class" car Paint, panel alignment loose leather on seats are not helping either.
You truly nailed it.
12-24-2014, 09:44 AM
#131
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Form Vette Magazine - Not exactly hiding what their favorite car is - real world C7 Z06 test:
"Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance. Combined with 85-degree temps and 70 percent humidity, we could not match GM’s dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Launching it on the Cup tires was extremely tricky, you either got massive wheelspin or a bog so bad you never recovered. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM’s 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed."
http://www.superchevy.com/features/2...ng-boundaries/
More real tests more real problems. How is this car going to perform on a road course in summer and spring with these issues that continue to arise, test after test?
"Downside? The blower gets insanely hot and takes forever to cool down. Even after putting two bags of ice on top of it for 20 minutes, the supercharger was too hot touch. Heat soak is a serious hindrance to track performance. Combined with 85-degree temps and 70 percent humidity, we could not match GM’s dragstrip numbers, which were recorded on a prepped track on a 65-degree day. Launching it on the Cup tires was extremely tricky, you either got massive wheelspin or a bog so bad you never recovered. Our best with the stick was a corrected 11.56 at 126.14, not far off GM’s 11.2/127 prediction for a seven-speed."
http://www.superchevy.com/features/2...ng-boundaries/
More real tests more real problems. How is this car going to perform on a road course in summer and spring with these issues that continue to arise, test after test?
1. They are developing at Z06 kit.
2. They have found a way to circumvent the plumbing problems GM had which necessitated GM going with the much smaller blower to fit under the stock hood.
Kinda makes ya wonder why Edelbrock could figure it out and GM didn't or chose not to.
12-24-2014, 10:24 AM
#132
Melting Slicks
Haha, I had fun reading that post JMB. Keep in mind that the outcome of the video wasn't expected. It just turned out that way. I still like the C7Z. I'd love to be the first one to get a manual into the 10s, and if they can - I'll figure it out. The A8 cars will be the drag strip monsters, but drag racing an automatic has never interested me. I still enjoy challenging myself, and having something to do with the ET. The funny thing is that it has been almost 2 years since the Viper hit the streets, yet I'm still the only one that has run a 10 without mods. Just some 19" drag radials. It wasn't easy, the clutch sucks at the drag strip.
The other thing that struck me in bed last night as I thought about this Thread (it just happened to be the last one that I read) and tried to rationalize the polarity it struck me.....there are a lot of us that are Automotive Racists! Hopefully people don't become "offended" by this but I think it's true and I'll be the first to admit that I am as Racist as they come when it comes to cars (note, I am a self admitted car Racist, not a people Racist!!). And the reason I can say this is that as I examine my personal likes and dislikes I hate Fords, Mopars, Porche, GT-R, etc.....I guess that you can label me a GM Bigot because that's how my parents raised me
they only bought GM vehicles! And as funny as it sounds I actually believe it to be true....I hate Ford Trucks, no rational reason other than it's a Ford....I don't care if they are the best selling, blah blah, blah, I'll NEVER own one....Chevy Trucks for me forever! And now that I understand this it explains my absolute hatred of Vipers.....they may be a very well engineered car, be hand built, have perfect paint, are able to spank the C7Z at road speed but in the end...I'll NEVER own one!Wow, with this Auto Racist self admission I just think I saved myself enough money from not having to see a Psychologist to find this out about myself on this subject that I can now afford to mod my Z06 and kick the Viper's a$$ at road speed too....woohoo!!!!
12-24-2014, 10:38 AM
#133
Melting Slicks<br><img src="/forums/images/ranks/3k-4k.gif" border="0">
Another complaint about the new Z06 vs ZR1. The clear centerpiece made it a lot easier to wear your hood to meetings. The new car, not so much.
12-24-2014, 11:06 AM
#134
12-24-2014, 11:06 AM
#135
Glenn, to answer you question in one word "NINEBALL"! And this is absolutely no disrespect to Tony because I hold him, his integrity, his automotive knowledge and objectivity in the highest regards since I have interfaced with him for many years dating back to the LS1tech Forums. As I mentioned in his post regarding the first Viper/Z06 video he found a way to exploit the current weakness of the new Z. And if you listen to Tony and nspec, they read the reviews and whether "on paper" or actual tests to date 11.2 ET vs 11.3 from a dead stop the 2015 Z06 will spank a new Viper TA! Of course all of the Viper Fanboys will point out that 0.1 seconds isn't a spanking but to me when you're beat....you're beat, just like Tony beat nspec on a roll race.
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums
Now here's where the animosity sets in and why (IMHO) the discussions become very polarizing.....that one video shook the faith of many in GM's statements regarding the new Z but it shouldn't have. Suddenly the Viper Fanboys had something to rally around because they were getting sick and tired about hearing how great the new Z is and this was the first evidence that maybe there is a ***** in the armour. People, including myself, don't personally care for the Viper and we shouldn't criticize taste or opinions but Tony's post quickly turned into that and turned off a lot of people. I'll be the first to fess up that I like stirring up the pot occasionally but the veil of the Internet prevents people from always understanding context or when you're just making a playful poke like you might in a bar over a beer and suddenly people are ready for a bar fight on the Internet!
The great news is that the C7Z will be a raging success and here's why.....GM does not spend the kind of money they do on development and make written public claims about their cars that will not stand up to the scrutiny of the legal system. When GM posts that the new C7Z will put up the fastest 1/4 mile time of ANY Corvette, ZR1 included, you had better believe it because IT WILL BE TRUE! Think about it...if you look on the CF bone-stock C6Z list, with a GM advertised 11.7 @ 127 MPH we have a bone stock C6Z running high 10's at just under 130 MPH in good air. You can certainly believe that the C7Z with an advertised 11.2 ET for the M7 will find it's way EASILY into the high 10's once these cars are out for a while....now the MPH will likely not be much over 130-ish but that's okay because MPH doesn't win 1/4 mile races, ET does! The only place MPH matters are on Nineball video's
And speaking of ET's I fully expect the A8 C7Z's to be in the mid 10's soon and you can count on that too! This will upset the Viper Fanboys and of course they will claim that this is cheating because the Viper doesn't offer an auto trans so the only "fiar comparison to a Viper is M7 to M6....oh well, you run what ya brung
Where I can't fault the Viper Fanboys though is that on the street, the Viper will be faster than the C7Z just based on the 1/4 mile MPH....for those that do street race...we all have and I don't anymore either due to Safety reasons, the bone stock Viper will spank the bone stock Z because a lot of these races typically are 40-140...this (as C7Z owners) we will just begrudgingly have to accept but for me, I just don't care....my new Z is awesome and I love it! And if I do race my new Z....it will be at a sanctioned 1/4 mile Track and I do fully expect to spank the Viper in ET...even if it's only by ~0.1 seconds
and I'll have to spot the higher MPH to the Viper but I'll enjoy this over the drink supplied by the losing Viper driver After all, we're all racers at heart and the good news is that I find when I am at the track everyone typically loses their brand loyalty and just want to help their fellow hobbyist get the most out of their cars...I know I do even though I flip a lot of people crap on this Forum and other Forums Saying what "will be" does not make it so.
12-24-2014, 11:30 AM
#136
Melting Slicks
Keep in mind that the outcome of the video wasn't expected. It just turned out that way.
That's a lot of wishful thinking with no facts to back it up.
Saying what "will be" does not make it so.
Saying what "will be" does not make it so.
12-24-2014, 11:54 AM
#137
Race Director
Thankfully we have maybe five viper guys who keep this forum polarized....
I'm sure the viper forum would be pleased if they had this much action.
Pick the car attributes you prefer.
There is only one data point used to prove a point because it's the only one where the viper could possibly win.
When there are more data points I'll be interested in seeing them discussed.
Till then it's a revolving repeat of the same storyline.
Over and over in each and every thread. The viper forums are dead so we have this to look forward to.
Thanks guys .
I'm sure the viper forum would be pleased if they had this much action.
Pick the car attributes you prefer.
There is only one data point used to prove a point because it's the only one where the viper could possibly win.
When there are more data points I'll be interested in seeing them discussed.
Till then it's a revolving repeat of the same storyline.
Over and over in each and every thread. The viper forums are dead so we have this to look forward to.
Thanks guys .
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12-24-2014, 11:56 AM
#138
If I had to guess why there is so much rancor on this forum, I'd say it probably has to do with the personalities rather than the vehicle. People who are attracted to these types of cars tend to have elevated opinions of their own self-worth (or use the car as a substitute for the perceived lack of self-worth) and have strong opinions which they are happy to share.
I see this frequently since I tend to drive used, uninteresting cars as daily drivers and I find I sometimes get a dismissive attitude from drivers of the more esteemed marques.
I see this frequently since I tend to drive used, uninteresting cars as daily drivers and I find I sometimes get a dismissive attitude from drivers of the more esteemed marques.
12-24-2014, 12:00 PM
#139
Safety Car
BTW, I'm also a vehicle racist. I like all American brands, with my favorite leaning towards GM. I still consider myself a "Camaro guy", no matter how exotic or expensive cars I might own will be. I do like some euro cars for their engineering. I usually dislike about 90% of the asian market cars, however. Those Japanese cars look too sterile, and have no soul. The GT-R has never appealed to me, other than how quick it is. I'm not even a Mopar fan, I just like Vipers. They are the epitome of F-U! THIS IS 'MURICA! The Vipers give the euro cars the big middle finger. That is why I like them.
12-24-2014, 12:08 PM
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Now the bean counters? Ummmm, maybe, but if that were true, and IF it turns out that the smallish stock blower is quickly attaining very high temps as referenced in an earlier mag test, it would be a shame that GM would not just consider the Edelbrock type solution even if it resulted in an extra $2000 or so per car. I mean, at the price levels the typical Z is sold at, I don't think that difference is relevant.