ZR1 vs Z06
12-21-2014, 02:30 PM
#61
To be absolutely honest with you I did not believe my 1st impression.
Thinking to myself that it just me. When I posted the post I only had the car for 4 days and have about 400 m on it.
It was like I saying to myself “ Come on its you, there nothing wrong, this is more stable and that is why it feels slower”. But after having the car for a few more days and driving to work every day I got to really feel and experience all around, I was sort of disappointed. Z06 is a great car with ton of cool features like the rev-mach with is a must for a road race car in you can’t heel-toe maneuver with your foot. I like that feature. The dash gage option is real cool. Sport seats are super nice.
Car handles exceptionally well and stops on the dime. If you are looking for a cool ride that get’s tons of looks and you are going to run it with spirit some time you can’t go wrong. I had my ZR for 5 years. Never track it but did drive it hard some time. Did the Spring Mountain Driving Corse with their Zr1 and it was just WoW!. Did same course with the standard C7 driving few deferent C7s and it was just great! So when Z06 was coming on line I have expect it to be totally magical and with all GM hoopla and the Magazines write ups I have expected something just out of control and way better than ZR1. But the Z06 is not a ZR1 and many ways I’m not going dissect the car, but let me tell you ZR1 was better fit and finish.
You know, typical GM BS. Like hood will not aliened 100% and close nice all the way and you need to push it down on one side. Carpet in the trunk doesn’t lay flat in one corner. All this is noting vs. not having the kind of HP performance you expect from the new super car. ZR1 felt like a super car it just did, with overwhelming raw power and razor sharp handling to the point of when you are @ 178 mph it was just insane and what sort of scary! Car felt like a wild beast that would hurt you if you was not respectful to it and it kept you on the edge. My wife was all ways most nerves to ride with me. As soon as she got in the Z06for the 1st ride she said that it fell way more safe and in control.. Yeaa… Not as much as power, torque and OOoooo F*****
Factor!! It’s like the best car would be Z06 with the ZR1 drive train. That be the way way better. Z06 is a nice car with great handling and style but it’s no ZR1 in many ways. ZR with the 3LZ package was a better fit and finish with perfect paint.
See here >>> https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1587695703 . My friend @ Spring Mountain who are the instructors told me that they ran the ZR1 hard all day and never seen and major HP loss. Just a touch when the cars got hot. I can tell you when I was there I blast it the car around the track hard with I can give and the ZR1 was just a rocket that stop on the dime.. Time after time. Bottom line : I m hard core GM Corvette guy for decades and owned and built many mid years and later cars for me and my customers. Spending 30 years plus. New Z06 will most likely be ok for the most. But for some of us who know the real difference in what GM and media say and what it is, it just falls short of the expectations.
If the Z06 will not deliver on the track as people clamed I will be most disappointed and most likely I will sell the car. As my whole purpose to buy this car was to have the best American made, race ready, track ready car. My advice to anyone who is considering getting the new Z06. Go drive one before you buy one and be sure what you are buying this car for.
Thinking to myself that it just me. When I posted the post I only had the car for 4 days and have about 400 m on it.
It was like I saying to myself “ Come on its you, there nothing wrong, this is more stable and that is why it feels slower”. But after having the car for a few more days and driving to work every day I got to really feel and experience all around, I was sort of disappointed. Z06 is a great car with ton of cool features like the rev-mach with is a must for a road race car in you can’t heel-toe maneuver with your foot. I like that feature. The dash gage option is real cool. Sport seats are super nice.
Car handles exceptionally well and stops on the dime. If you are looking for a cool ride that get’s tons of looks and you are going to run it with spirit some time you can’t go wrong. I had my ZR for 5 years. Never track it but did drive it hard some time. Did the Spring Mountain Driving Corse with their Zr1 and it was just WoW!. Did same course with the standard C7 driving few deferent C7s and it was just great! So when Z06 was coming on line I have expect it to be totally magical and with all GM hoopla and the Magazines write ups I have expected something just out of control and way better than ZR1. But the Z06 is not a ZR1 and many ways I’m not going dissect the car, but let me tell you ZR1 was better fit and finish.
You know, typical GM BS. Like hood will not aliened 100% and close nice all the way and you need to push it down on one side. Carpet in the trunk doesn’t lay flat in one corner. All this is noting vs. not having the kind of HP performance you expect from the new super car. ZR1 felt like a super car it just did, with overwhelming raw power and razor sharp handling to the point of when you are @ 178 mph it was just insane and what sort of scary! Car felt like a wild beast that would hurt you if you was not respectful to it and it kept you on the edge. My wife was all ways most nerves to ride with me. As soon as she got in the Z06for the 1st ride she said that it fell way more safe and in control.. Yeaa… Not as much as power, torque and OOoooo F*****
Factor!! It’s like the best car would be Z06 with the ZR1 drive train. That be the way way better. Z06 is a nice car with great handling and style but it’s no ZR1 in many ways. ZR with the 3LZ package was a better fit and finish with perfect paint.
See here >>> https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1587695703 . My friend @ Spring Mountain who are the instructors told me that they ran the ZR1 hard all day and never seen and major HP loss. Just a touch when the cars got hot. I can tell you when I was there I blast it the car around the track hard with I can give and the ZR1 was just a rocket that stop on the dime.. Time after time. Bottom line : I m hard core GM Corvette guy for decades and owned and built many mid years and later cars for me and my customers. Spending 30 years plus. New Z06 will most likely be ok for the most. But for some of us who know the real difference in what GM and media say and what it is, it just falls short of the expectations.
If the Z06 will not deliver on the track as people clamed I will be most disappointed and most likely I will sell the car. As my whole purpose to buy this car was to have the best American made, race ready, track ready car. My advice to anyone who is considering getting the new Z06. Go drive one before you buy one and be sure what you are buying this car for.
12-21-2014, 02:35 PM
#62
Drifting
We're in the middle of winter here. It's hard to imagine all the Bitcin and griping going on over 2 fantastic cars. Just be greatful you have the means to own either one of them and be happy with that. It's a car, that's it, a massed produced car.
When all this ******** settles and the time is right, I myself hope to dive in and pick up either one. You guys kill me with all your performance ********. 80% of these cars sit under car covers with battery tenders......lol
When all this ******** settles and the time is right, I myself hope to dive in and pick up either one. You guys kill me with all your performance ********. 80% of these cars sit under car covers with battery tenders......lol
Track enthusiasts will take their cars to the track to 'wring out' all the performance. I don't believe GM warranties the car for repairs resulting from track racing - somebody on CF could chime in if they know that GM will cover racing failures - so owners that are track enthusiasts know the risks and can tune the ECM/modify the car as they wish. They know repair costs are on their tab.
I think the C7 Z06 is the best of the Corvette pedigree... and I love my C2 and C6 ZR1.
Some time back, I sold a 800 hp Mustang to a father and his 19 year old son. The 19 year old son would be the primary driver. I had very haunting reservations about completing the sale. The car demanded great respect, restraint, and driver capacity on the street; one wrong move and it might be the driver's last.
Granted the high technology in the C7 Z06 makes driving a 650 hp vehicle much more confidence inspiring (and safer) than that 800 hp Mustang, but it also means a driver could much more easily drive beyond their driver skill capacity and have catastrophic results.
GM issued driver skill training with the C6 ZR1 - smart decision on the part of GM.
The same type of driver training has not been included with the purchase of the C7 Z06.
Has GM programmed the ECM to 'pull back' the vehicle performance when it is being continuously 'hammered'? Well, if the car's being 'hammered' on the street and...it saves a life or two...that's a good thing.
Last edited by Vernon; 12-21-2014 at 02:37 PM.
12-21-2014, 02:37 PM
#63
What specifically did they lie to you about? You questioned "where is the 650 HP?" GM has SAE certified certified output test and dyno results are in line with the engine's rating. Are you challenging the results of this certification?
And what case do you have for a class action lawsuit when you chose to purchase a vehicle without a test drive? You are complaining about the sound. Did GM promise you a specific exhaust note? Did GM publish any specific performance data before you placed your purchase? They published 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times as tested by the mags are in line with what GM has published.
Please go ahead with your class action lawsuit. I look forward to you getting laughed out of the courtroom.
And what case do you have for a class action lawsuit when you chose to purchase a vehicle without a test drive? You are complaining about the sound. Did GM promise you a specific exhaust note? Did GM publish any specific performance data before you placed your purchase? They published 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times as tested by the mags are in line with what GM has published.
Please go ahead with your class action lawsuit. I look forward to you getting laughed out of the courtroom.
12-21-2014, 02:38 PM
#64
12-21-2014, 02:43 PM
#65
Le Mans Master
12-21-2014, 02:51 PM
#66
Team Owner
At least be a little accurate!
ZR1 was 3lz was 119-125
Loaded Slower Z06 is 105,000
I paid 69,500 for my ZR1 over a year ago and just hit 4700 miles.
Factory perfect with a better fit and finish than the C7 I just sold!
My case cheaper and still under GM factory warranty.
I agree the C7 Z06 are better in some ways but certainly not all.
Z06 owners make note don't mess with ZR1's when on the interstate!
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 12-21-2014 at 02:54 PM.
12-21-2014, 02:58 PM
#67
Team Owner
12-21-2014, 03:01 PM
#68
Le Mans Master
12-21-2014, 03:02 PM
#69
Drifting
12-21-2014, 03:03 PM
#70
Le Mans Master
No need to get over it!
At least be a little accurate!
ZR1 was 3lz was 119-125
Loaded Slower Z06 is 105,000
I paid 69,500 for my ZR1 over a year ago and just hit 4700 miles.
Factory perfect with a better fit and finish than the C7 I just sold!
My case cheaper and still under GM factory warranty.
I agree the C7 Z06 are better in some ways but certainly not all.
Z06 owners make note don't mess with ZR1's when on the interstate!
At least be a little accurate!
ZR1 was 3lz was 119-125
Loaded Slower Z06 is 105,000
I paid 69,500 for my ZR1 over a year ago and just hit 4700 miles.
Factory perfect with a better fit and finish than the C7 I just sold!
My case cheaper and still under GM factory warranty.
I agree the C7 Z06 are better in some ways but certainly not all.
Z06 owners make note don't mess with ZR1's when on the interstate!
Take it up with Tadge..........HE SAID IT!!
12-21-2014, 03:05 PM
#71
Le Mans Master
Screw that warranty. Lol. These cars need to be on E85 ASAP, BIG bump in timing, and have those intake air temp2 levels raised WAY up in the tune before timing is ever even flirting with being yanked. Running E85 is the best warranty you could have on the motor anyways. Just get a second tune for the times you're forced to run pump 93 junk
12-21-2014, 03:15 PM
#72
Team Owner
If the new car was what it was hyped to be. Brothera check would have been written. 80k DEAL! Stage 1 1 lz mn7
perfect. But wanting something off msrp. Paid full boat for the C7
now they are 10 percent off. The Z06 mn7 will be right behind.
Now the reports Getting walked by cars that are is same range.
Scares me what is sounds like warm weather pooches
Used 4-5 years old (2010-2011) 911 TT can be had in the same range. Better fit, finish, reliability, and electronic's, (13 speakers 385 watts) PDK TT need I say more.
Looking at 2 82-85k
997 911TT cars are not going down much more. Both walk the Z06
No sweat! No mods!
12-21-2014, 03:15 PM
#73
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Last edited by vtknight; 12-21-2014 at 03:23 PM.
12-21-2014, 03:20 PM
#74
Team Owner
12-21-2014, 03:38 PM
#75
Team Owner
I’m 55 years old and owned may Vets and GM Hot rods..
Built many Chevy cars for living in my past life . From Small blocks to big blocks way back in the day..
Have lots of real life seat time in many Hi-HP rods..
I’m telling you he’s on the money for he’s assessment of the ZR1 vs. Z06
Built many Chevy cars for living in my past life . From Small blocks to big blocks way back in the day..
Have lots of real life seat time in many Hi-HP rods..
I’m telling you he’s on the money for he’s assessment of the ZR1 vs. Z06
IM certainly going to notice a 300 pound passenger.
IF you don't you have no idea about your car. Because you have not driven it much. Just sounded off the boat on the 2013 991 911s too!
Likely rode in one ! Or bought something he has no business buying. I'm looking at the 911's for on the street. I could care less about driving around a track. Check you tube they are very quick and hard to catch with the PDK.
GTR STOCK VIPER STOCK ZR1 STOCK all are hard pressed to take a 911TT. 911TT is the favorite
In any race! Half price car's like that interest me. The first owner
payed the heavy price. Then you get the garage queen for 1/2 and your price should hold pretty well. High price ride's get to point
where they don't drop much further not near as fast either.
Last edited by 3 Z06ZR1; 12-21-2014 at 03:40 PM.
12-21-2014, 04:07 PM
#77
Advanced
What specifically did they lie to you about? You questioned "where is the 650 HP?" GM has SAE certified certified output test and dyno results are in line with the engine's rating. Are you challenging the results of this certification?
And what case do you have for a class action lawsuit when you chose to purchase a vehicle without a test drive? You are complaining about the sound. Did GM promise you a specific exhaust note? Did GM publish any specific performance data before you placed your purchase? They published 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times as tested by the mags are in line with what GM has published.
Please go ahead with your class action lawsuit. I look forward to you getting laughed out of the courtroom.
And what case do you have for a class action lawsuit when you chose to purchase a vehicle without a test drive? You are complaining about the sound. Did GM promise you a specific exhaust note? Did GM publish any specific performance data before you placed your purchase? They published 0-60 mph and 1/4 mile times as tested by the mags are in line with what GM has published.
Please go ahead with your class action lawsuit. I look forward to you getting laughed out of the courtroom.
Just saying the Z06 is not what its prompt up to be I’m my opinion
But that is just me. I just got back from 3 hr drive in Florida back roads.
I stand by my post. Z06 do not feel as fast and torque as ZR1 and I don’t mean and drag race as I can care less about that nonsense.
I did not buy ZR1 or Z06 to drag race.
Last edited by Chevys Only; 12-21-2014 at 04:39 PM.
12-21-2014, 04:19 PM
#78
Ford lost a class action lawsuit against the 99 Mustang Cobra because it did not perform the way Ford claimed it would. It was not making the hp they claimed. Ford had to do a recall and install new intake manifolds and tunes on all the 99 Cobras that were built to that point.
Sound a little familiar???
Sound a little familiar???
12-21-2014, 04:24 PM
#79
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Ford lost a class action lawsuit against the 99 Mustang Cobra because it did not perform the way Ford claimed it would. It was not making the hp they claimed. Ford had to do a recall and install new intake manifolds and tunes on all the 99 Cobras that were built to that point.
Sound a little familiar???
Sound a little familiar???
The C7Z's makes a certified SAE 650 bhp. Dyno results confirm this.
Try harder next time.
12-21-2014, 04:31 PM
#80
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