Dear GM/Chevrolet,
12-17-2014, 11:07 PM
#142
I agree with your supposition that QC should be universal; however, it is true that R8C PDI itself at the NCM can tend to be allot more extensive than at most dealerships (especially vs. low volume Corvette dealerships).
R8C PDI techs can even take cars back over across the street to remedy/replace items at the factory...something that no dealership can really effectively replicate with their PDI process.
Just a good way to hedge your bet, if you will, when you are going to lay this kind of $ down. It does require patience to wait for build and R8C vs. the instant gratification that comes with buying something off the showroom floor.
Additionally, the cost of R8C partially goes to support the NCM.
R8C PDI techs can even take cars back over across the street to remedy/replace items at the factory...something that no dealership can really effectively replicate with their PDI process.
Just a good way to hedge your bet, if you will, when you are going to lay this kind of $ down. It does require patience to wait for build and R8C vs. the instant gratification that comes with buying something off the showroom floor.
Additionally, the cost of R8C partially goes to support the NCM.
It really does make sense, since corvette fans who are doing R8C are probably going to have very keen eyes.....
12-17-2014, 11:17 PM
#143
Team Owner
12-17-2014, 11:21 PM
#144
Team Owner
Nice interior Scott! Love the clueless newbee's that join last month and knock the Flagship of Corvette's little do they know how much more plastic is in the new car.
12-17-2014, 11:52 PM
#145
Scraping the splitter.
S.
12-18-2014, 07:20 AM
#146
Le Mans Master
12-18-2014, 07:32 AM
#147
Burning Brakes
I guess I don't get this?
I must really sux because I purchased a C5 Z06 2 years ago with 20K on it because that's what I could afford paying for a kid in college.
Why the hell are "corvette" people bashing the crap out of previous gen's ?
Just don't get it I guess.
12-18-2014, 08:12 AM
#148
Le Mans Master
12-18-2014, 08:33 AM
#149
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
12-18-2014, 08:34 AM
#150
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
12-18-2014, 08:49 AM
#151
Guys, this is GM. Their seat manufacturer builds to a,price point. 50 percent of the leather I see in Cadillacs is either not stretched on the seat properly or stitched correctly. You will NEVER see that in an Audi or MB. As far as orange peel goes that's every car ever painted unless its been wet sanded.
12-18-2014, 08:52 AM
#152
Melting Slicks
I have multiple Corvettes. My 1996 Grand Sport was painted the best of them all. But I will say my C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are painted very well without any orange peel.
But, regardless of price, the cars should be painted correctly. While I have high end polishers, the point is that I should not have to correct the paint. It is unacceptable. That is why there is quality controls put in place. Obviously, these cars passed inspection and that should not happen. There is no excuse for it.
I think it's hilarious that some among us feel like they're buying an exotic. Over 200 hours are spent just painting an Aventador. Why? Because someone is willing to spend the $$ for it to be flawless. When you buy a Corvette, you are getting world class performance at the cheapest possible price. It's the working man's supercar. It's blue jeans and a ripped t-shirt...not a finely tailored suit.
OP, my Z07 isn't 100% perfect. But, it's probably 98%+. My car has 41 miles on it, with a check engine light on, and won't go into reverse. Am I worried? Not in the least. **** happens and it will get fixed. I found a couple of superficial scratches in the hood and a minor paint defect as well. Rather than get upset, I'll buff it out and get on with life.
No doubt $100K is a decent chunk of dough. But, given what you're getting for the money in comparison to what else is available, nothing even comes close. It's a matter of perspective.
I bought $400K worth of performance for $100K. It's like anything else; you get what you pay for. If GM could make the car flawless for $130K are you still a buyer?
But, regardless of price, the cars should be painted correctly. While I have high end polishers, the point is that I should not have to correct the paint. It is unacceptable. That is why there is quality controls put in place. Obviously, these cars passed inspection and that should not happen. There is no excuse for it.
I think it's hilarious that some among us feel like they're buying an exotic. Over 200 hours are spent just painting an Aventador. Why? Because someone is willing to spend the $$ for it to be flawless. When you buy a Corvette, you are getting world class performance at the cheapest possible price. It's the working man's supercar. It's blue jeans and a ripped t-shirt...not a finely tailored suit.OP, my Z07 isn't 100% perfect. But, it's probably 98%+. My car has 41 miles on it, with a check engine light on, and won't go into reverse. Am I worried? Not in the least. **** happens and it will get fixed. I found a couple of superficial scratches in the hood and a minor paint defect as well. Rather than get upset, I'll buff it out and get on with life.
No doubt $100K is a decent chunk of dough. But, given what you're getting for the money in comparison to what else is available, nothing even comes close. It's a matter of perspective.
I bought $400K worth of performance for $100K. It's like anything else; you get what you pay for. If GM could make the car flawless for $130K are you still a buyer?
12-18-2014, 09:32 AM
#153
Race Director
I have multiple Corvettes. My 1996 Grand Sport was painted the best of them all. But I will say my C6 Z06 and C6 ZR1 are painted very well without any orange peel.
But, regardless of price, the cars should be painted correctly. While I have high end polishers, the point is that I should not have to correct the paint. It is unacceptable. That is why there is quality controls put in place. Obviously, these cars passed inspection and that should not happen. There is no excuse for it.
But, regardless of price, the cars should be painted correctly. While I have high end polishers, the point is that I should not have to correct the paint. It is unacceptable. That is why there is quality controls put in place. Obviously, these cars passed inspection and that should not happen. There is no excuse for it.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
Last edited by jimmyb; 12-18-2014 at 09:41 AM.
12-18-2014, 09:59 AM
#154
Race Director
12-18-2014, 10:02 AM
#155
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
You cannot compare paint from 1996 to paint in 2014. EPA standards are totally different, especially in regards to VOC's (volatile organic compounds). The ONLY modern car that I see that has ZERO orange peel is Aston Martin. Can you find a "lucky" car without OP (besides Aston), sure....but it is the exception, not the rule.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
12-18-2014, 10:03 AM
#156
12-18-2014, 10:06 AM
#157
Melting Slicks
I agree and understand. It is an industry issue, regardless of the price of the car.
You cannot compare paint from 1996 to paint in 2014. EPA standards are totally different, especially in regards to VOC's (volatile organic compounds). The ONLY modern car that I see that has ZERO orange peel is Aston Martin. Can you find a "lucky" car without OP (besides Aston), sure....but it is the exception, not the rule.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
12-18-2014, 10:07 AM
#158
I seriously, cannot believe how many friggin women in this thread are bitching about the seat picture being on a yellow car.
Open your damn eyes people...it's called "OVER-EXPOSURE" and "REFLECTION".
So, hike up your skirts, grab your cell phone, go down to your local automotive dealer, and take a bunch of pictures of some cars at different angles and post them back here. Let's see how accurate, and perfectly exposed all of your pictures look.
And while you're out, stop at a local drug store and pick yourselves up some Gynelotrimin.
Unreal...
Open your damn eyes people...it's called "OVER-EXPOSURE" and "REFLECTION".
So, hike up your skirts, grab your cell phone, go down to your local automotive dealer, and take a bunch of pictures of some cars at different angles and post them back here. Let's see how accurate, and perfectly exposed all of your pictures look.
And while you're out, stop at a local drug store and pick yourselves up some Gynelotrimin.
Unreal...
12-18-2014, 10:10 AM
#159
Instructor
12-18-2014, 10:11 AM
#160
You cannot compare paint from 1996 to paint in 2014. EPA standards are totally different, especially in regards to VOC's (volatile organic compounds). The ONLY modern car that I see that has ZERO orange peel is Aston Martin. Can you find a "lucky" car without OP (besides Aston), sure....but it is the exception, not the rule.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
Jimmy
PS. I am NOT excusing this, but orange peel is an INDUSTRY issue, not just a Corvette issue. The INDUSTRY needs to figure it out. And reality is that 9 out of 10 people have never heard of orange peel, can't tell you what it is, and can't identify it.
Stop at your local BMW dealer and go check out some of those $100,000+ BMW 6-series and M-models. NEWS FLASH: They've got orange peel too and the major body panels are not SMC.