Why is the C7Z so heavy?
#21
I'll point out that the Z51's are not comparatively 3444#. The base cars are 3298# (presumably a base, no option 1LT car) and GM never published a weight for the Z51 cars. But owners (including ChucksZ06 on his corner scales) have weighed them at ~3360-3380# for 1LT M7 cars. So it looks like the Z51 package adds ~75# and the Z06 adds ~150# on top of that.
Disappointing, as I was expecting the Z06 to add ~75-100#.
S.
Disappointing, as I was expecting the Z06 to add ~75-100#.
S.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-c7-today.html
This is with 3/8 tank of gas. At 6.4 lbs/gallon for fuel and assuming a 19 gallon tank, lets round up to saying 1/2 tank or 9.5 gallons x 6.4lbs = another 60 pounds. 3390 + 60 = 3450.
I've seen other posts and they're all around 3450 fully wet. The ones showing < 3400 don't have a full tank of gas.
#22
This is false. The auto is only 6lbs heavier than the manual gearbox.
#23
I certainly won't lose any sleep over ~50# more than I thought it would weigh. But 3475# would have been nicer than 3524#.
The car was going to gain weight with the blower, bigger brakes, tires, wheels, etc.. It was never going to be lighter than a Z51.
S.
The car was going to gain weight with the blower, bigger brakes, tires, wheels, etc.. It was never going to be lighter than a Z51.
S.
#24
Burning Brakes
SRT did the Gen 5 Viper the right way. They improved every single aspect of the car, vs the previous generation - and also dropped 100 lbs. Even the pricing is the same, after the recent MSRP $15K reduction. The Gen 5 is stiffer, faster, higher quality body panels, much nicer interior, a slew of electronic goodies and nannies, etc... yet still lighter than the previous car. Not sure why GM couldn't do this, also.
Dean
#25
Scraping the splitter.
Sorry but that's not accurate with a full tank of gas. A buddy Beretta has one and he weighed it on his scales. It's every bit of 3400lbs filled up.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-c7-today.html
This is with 3/8 tank of gas. At 6.4 lbs/gallon for fuel and assuming a 19 gallon tank, lets round up to saying 1/2 tank or 9.5 gallons x 6.4lbs = another 60 pounds. 3390 + 60 = 3450.
I've seen other posts and they're all around 3450 fully wet. The ones showing < 3400 don't have a full tank of gas.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-c7-today.html
This is with 3/8 tank of gas. At 6.4 lbs/gallon for fuel and assuming a 19 gallon tank, lets round up to saying 1/2 tank or 9.5 gallons x 6.4lbs = another 60 pounds. 3390 + 60 = 3450.
I've seen other posts and they're all around 3450 fully wet. The ones showing < 3400 don't have a full tank of gas.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1585207636
ChucksZ06's M7 1LT Z51 (I was slightly off in my recollection of what Chuck's car weighed).
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1585357970
3 Z06ZR1 weighed his M7 1LT Z51 on a truck scale and it was 3350#, although I'm not sure of the accuracy of those scales at such a low weight.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1586246585
So I was probably off a couple of pounds regarding the delta between a base 1LT car and a Z51 1LT car. It's probably in the 80-90# range. Maybe a fully loaded 3LT car with who knows what options might hit that 3444#, but it wouldn't be apples-to-apples to a base car.
S.
#26
Seems like good round number are:
3300 base C7
3400 Z51 C7
3500 Z06 C7
3300 base C7
3400 Z51 C7
3500 Z06 C7
#27
Safety Car
Yup.. Its too bad they wandered away from the idea of the Z06 being a lightweight raw race car.
I have mine down to 2950ish lbs.
I have mine down to 2950ish lbs.
#28
I remember someone commenting that they asked Tad Juechter (sp?) about getting a blind spot warning system installed in the car and his response was that they were having a hard time finding room to install it.
I think that says a lot as to why the car is so heavy. And the requests keep coming in for more features, which I find depressing.
I think that says a lot as to why the car is so heavy. And the requests keep coming in for more features, which I find depressing.
#30
Melting Slicks
With all the items added to the C7 Z06 the only way they could reduce its weight would be through more Carbon Fiber like door panels, fender panels, trunk lid etc. If they did that, I sure would hate to venture a guess as to how much that version would cost. Be careful what you wish for...
#31
Team Owner
A8 M5U weighs ~213 pounds and the M7 TR6070 weighs 144 pounds.
Then you have to add the weight of the flex plate and the torque convertor and the additional heat exchanger and lines used on the A8 and the dual mass flywheel and the clutch assembly used on the M7, to come up with a final difference in the car's weight.
#32
Seems like good round number are:
3300 base C7
3400 Z51 C7
3500 Z06 C7
3300 base C7
3400 Z51 C7
3500 Z06 C7
With all the items added to the C7 Z06 the only way they could reduce its weight would be through more Carbon Fiber like door panels, fender panels, trunk lid etc. If they did that, I sure would hate to venture a guess as to how much that version would cost.
#33
I love lightweight cars but i do daily drive it so I like my vented seats and all the luxury..
If i really wanted a light weight track car Id be building something like the Factory Five GTM with a LT1 supercharged
#34
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Numbers don't lie, especially the most important number of all to any corporation - sales numbers. When the C6 GS was introduced, it offered the look of the Z cars in addition to auto trannies, removable tops, and Verts. And, it peeled away most potential buyers, folks who previously bought the Z cars for the "look." GM listened and learned, and I believe this experience set the direction of the new Z. A lot of "mission creep" from the original C5/C6 Z mission to create the lightest, most "pure" performance model.
Yes, the new Viper is lighter, much purer of purpose, but it also sells in quantities so low as to be unacceptable to any GM business case. GM made a business decision, and for them, probably the best one. It would have been nice if they had considered a "club sport" version for those of us who bought these cars based upon their original mission, but realistically, very understandable why they didn't.
It's not personal to GM, just good business. We make it personal...
#35
Instructor
It would be nice if posted weights always listed:
1. With or without driver and weight of driver if they are included
2. Amount of fuel in tank (if exact amount is not known then the level on the fuel gauge will suffice)
3. Trim levels
What if one person weighs the car at a half tank and the other weighs full? Some are listing this but not all.
1. With or without driver and weight of driver if they are included
2. Amount of fuel in tank (if exact amount is not known then the level on the fuel gauge will suffice)
3. Trim levels
What if one person weighs the car at a half tank and the other weighs full? Some are listing this but not all.
#36
OJCrush is right... the car makes perfect business sense for GM. They're selling the heck out of these cars. They know the hardcore enthusiast will modify the car on his or her own as they see fit. That's always been their standing reason for now "trackday" variant. However, I'd love to see one.
#37
Newer cars keep gaining weight with added electronics and and safety enhancements. It would be nice if they made a stripped down version similar to what the Z28 is with the camaro to drop 200 lbs or so.
#38
Team Owner
* a good chunk of that weight increase was due to beefed up drivetrain components over the 2006 Z06, and was also in the 2009 ZR1 and also found in the 2015 C7 Z06.
#39
Beefed up driveline (but the Z06 has a carbon torque tube vs. steel in the base C7), direct injection fuel system, and heavier interior stuff (especially seats) are the main culprits. It all adds up quickly. Bigger/additional coolers add weight, the E-diff and all that stuff adds weight.
That's part of the reason I'm so disappointed the car has apparent cooling issues. It has separate radiators/coolers for the trans/diff and fans for each and this adds weight. The C6Z/ZR1 pumped the trans/diff fluid to the main radiator up front. Less weight, but more compromised cooling. The C7 with dedicated coolers and vents/ducts for everything should stay way cooler.
That's part of the reason I'm so disappointed the car has apparent cooling issues. It has separate radiators/coolers for the trans/diff and fans for each and this adds weight. The C6Z/ZR1 pumped the trans/diff fluid to the main radiator up front. Less weight, but more compromised cooling. The C7 with dedicated coolers and vents/ducts for everything should stay way cooler.