Nineball and Nspec, are you guys willing to swap cars and do 1 more video run?
12-10-2014, 06:53 PM
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Nineball and Nspec, are you guys willing to swap cars and do 1 more video run?
I know there has been A TON of buzz all over the internet and of course controversy is going to come with that (especially from the C7 Z06 Fan Boys) and many of you are seeing new threads on this topic, but it is, what it is, and has created a HUGE buzz in the high performance auto world.
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
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12-10-2014, 07:10 PM
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To the hardcore straight line acceleration guys I disagree. There are THOUSANDS of folks who are just that (straight-line junkies), and don't care about road racing, what both cars were built to do, although they do both great, in curves and in a straight line. 
Why do you think these videos are getting so much massive exposure, there are probably more straight line performance enthusiasts here than there are guys who will actually hit a road race track if they owned a C7 Z06.
There is the obvious REASON why every high performance car write up ALWAYS include 0 to 60 times, 1/4 mile times, trap speeds, etc.
Why do you think these videos are getting so much massive exposure, there are probably more straight line performance enthusiasts here than there are guys who will actually hit a road race track if they owned a C7 Z06. There is the obvious REASON why every high performance car write up ALWAYS include 0 to 60 times, 1/4 mile times, trap speeds, etc.
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12-10-2014, 07:18 PM
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good lord he lost a race. you don't get to switch cars when you get beat.
since when did the viper become so slow whipping boy of a car. it is as fast as the outgoing Zr1 isn't it. I ahve never driven one but why is the a slow car all of a sudden. I mean until the cut the cost 15k It though they were a tad over priced but they have nver been slow.
don't they trap like 130 and run low 11's???
go buy a cai and try again ha ha. then again i don't leave cars stock so that slight loss won't not get me that riled up stock vs stock
since when did the viper become so slow whipping boy of a car. it is as fast as the outgoing Zr1 isn't it. I ahve never driven one but why is the a slow car all of a sudden. I mean until the cut the cost 15k It though they were a tad over priced but they have nver been slow.
don't they trap like 130 and run low 11's???
go buy a cai and try again ha ha. then again i don't leave cars stock so that slight loss won't not get me that riled up stock vs stock
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12-10-2014, 07:23 PM
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How is having drivers switch cars , and then try to get the best performance out of cars ,they arent familiar with ,going to prove anything?
Give it a break already.....The Corvette doesnt always win.....
12-10-2014, 07:24 PM
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This is a non-issue to me. How often are you going to run into a Gen V Viper while out and about? Maybe if you live in a huge city, but many of us will never see one on the road.
12-10-2014, 07:40 PM
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umm the Viper is faster and weighs less. It's traps the same as a Zr1 and higher then a c7z..What's so hard to comprehend? 125-126 car vs a 128-130 car...My 9 year old son can do the math and come to the conclusion who would win.
12-10-2014, 07:42 PM
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Seriously. Like this is an absolute joke now. Who gives a flying F***. Like everyone move on with your life if you hate your Z06 now sell it and move to another forum People here want to talk about Z06s and how awesome they are. I pick mine up Saturday!
12-10-2014, 07:58 PM
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I guess I am the only one who wants to see it but I am sure they will not do it
12-10-2014, 08:08 PM
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The viper was faster, only a fanboy would see it as having anything to do with drivers. The viper pulls away convincingly in higher gears...nothing to do with shifting...just has more hp/less wt. Not a viper fan ever...I hate the engine.
12-10-2014, 08:11 PM
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Agreed
I know there has been A TON of buzz all over the internet and of course controversy is going to come with that (especially from the C7 Z06 Fan Boys) and many of you are seeing new threads on this topic, but it is, what it is, and has created a HUGE buzz in the high performance auto world.
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
12-10-2014, 08:19 PM
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Instead of paying attention to the car length(s) that the Corvette lost by, pay more attention to how both cars accelerate when in gear. Even if you found the best driver and he was able to shift like crazy, you can't overcome the Viper pulling away while in gear. A good driver doesn't defy physics and increase acceleration rates, he only makes the shift point quicker.
As for the original question, I have a few more willing candidates who are friends that want to make some videos. This won't happen this weekend, since we are going out of town to road race at COTA. But, maybe next week. This includes:
Another new Z06/Z07 (delivered today, excellent driver)
Another new Viper TA (400 miles on it, stock, newer driver)
My Viper TA (without alien or devine intervention modifications)
Stock ZR1 (excellent driver)
We will line all sorts of stuff up. Just be prepared, if the outcome isn't what you WANT to see. We'll report the good and the bad, however it works out.
Like we always do.
Tony
12-10-2014, 08:25 PM
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This. Some of you focus too much on the actual shifts, but aren't watching what happens while both cars are IN gear. The cars hang side by side until about the middle of 3rd gear. Then the Viper starts to pull ahead. In 4th gear, the Viper pulls away even harder. Definitely 4th gear is where the biggest difference occurs, regardless of where the shift happened.
Instead of paying attention to the car length(s) that the Corvette lost by, pay more attention to how both cars accelerate when in gear. Even if you found the best driver and he was able to shift like crazy, you can't overcome the Viper pulling away while in gear. A good driver doesn't defy physics and increase acceleration rates, he only makes the shift point quicker.
As for the original question, I have a few more willing candidates who are friends that want to make some videos. This won't happen this weekend, since we are going out of town to road race at COTA. But, maybe next week. This includes:
Another new Z06/Z07 (delivered today, excellent driver)
Another new Viper TA (400 miles on it, stock, newer driver)
My Viper TA (without alien or devine intervention modifications)
Stock ZR1 (excellent driver)
We will line all sorts of stuff up. Just be prepared, if the outcome isn't what you WANT to see. We'll report the good and the bad, however it works out.
Like we always do.
Tony
Instead of paying attention to the car length(s) that the Corvette lost by, pay more attention to how both cars accelerate when in gear. Even if you found the best driver and he was able to shift like crazy, you can't overcome the Viper pulling away while in gear. A good driver doesn't defy physics and increase acceleration rates, he only makes the shift point quicker.
As for the original question, I have a few more willing candidates who are friends that want to make some videos. This won't happen this weekend, since we are going out of town to road race at COTA. But, maybe next week. This includes:
Another new Z06/Z07 (delivered today, excellent driver)
Another new Viper TA (400 miles on it, stock, newer driver)
My Viper TA (without alien or devine intervention modifications)
Stock ZR1 (excellent driver)
We will line all sorts of stuff up. Just be prepared, if the outcome isn't what you WANT to see. We'll report the good and the bad, however it works out.
Like we always do.
Tony
12-10-2014, 08:28 PM
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Record
For the record. I would take your Viper over that Vette all day everyday. I just think Vette didn't get fair shake. Not cuz it lost. Just cuz how long the nose hangs between shifts. You lose time and momentum.
12-10-2014, 08:32 PM
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I know there has been A TON of buzz all over the internet and of course controversy is going to come with that (especially from the C7 Z06 Fan Boys) and many of you are seeing new threads on this topic, but it is, what it is, and has created a HUGE buzz in the high performance auto world.
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
But, the PERFECT way to put this to rest once and for all ESPECIALLY since Nspec also owns a Gen V Viper, and is therefore use to shifting that bad boy very smoothly per one of his posts, would be to swap cars with same drivers, This ideally would shot how close the two cars really are with WAY less controversy.
Now I am not knocking Nspec high performance manual tranny skills and I bet he can shift in a race better than most, but I do know that Nineball (Tony) can shift with the best of them, and is about as Hardcore of high performance guy who is not a professional that you will find, from his driving prowess over many years on the drag strip and road racing, and obviously just a little street racing.
Also, the test would be really fair b/c the C7 Z shifter would be new to Nineball (just like it was to Nspec after 3 days), and Nspec already has a Gen V Viper which he has stated has a perfect shifter on it that he loves and obviously is very use to.
I think if you guys switched driver on the same cars the Viper would still kick the Z06s azz every time, but not quite as badly as depicted on the video (that's just my gut feeling b/c I know Tony (Nineball) can shift with the best of them).
This all having been said I think the first video was done with 100% honesty and sincerity. Now one video don't mean that much and until we see future video of Nineball's Viper TA kicking other C7 Z06s in a similar manner, then we will truly know that the new C7 Z falls on its face 120 to 150 mph, which a lot of the data and magazine articles elude to.
I have no horse in this race I LOVE the new C7 Z06 and have owned many vettes, and currently have been vetteless for the first time in 20 years, as my road race machine is a Gen V 2009 Viper VOI edition, and my straight line monster is a 1967 mint Candy Apple Red Camaro, with a 565 ci Dart big block, making 780 ponies on motor, with an extra dual shot of 250 Nitrous in the trunk (just in case)!
Whatya say guys, I'm sure you would not be thrilled at the other guy flogging your $100,000+ vehicle but if you have confidence in each other's driving skills why not give it a shot (that would be a blast and which would obviously get HUGE exposure all over the Internet, and pretty much put to rest the controversy regarding these two EXACT same cars and the exact EXACT same drivers!
12-10-2014, 08:32 PM
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