jkcam6017

Not around here. Go over to the Miata forum, where sanity is rampant. People actually enjoy their cars, and the other people that own them. Almost no, "mine is faster than yours!" BS.

Theo Harris

I drove a new 997 for 4 years and loved it. My new C7 Z51 is an awesome sports car. I intend to keep adding to my car garage and keep more of this speedy machines around, as Simply put they all ad value and fun to my everyday life. It does not have to be this or that, I love them all!

The new Z06 W/Z07 it's going to be the Big Nasty and I am sooooo looking forward to the next American Legend, especially driving it on the track!

Theo Harris

Porsche GT3 is an awesome and very capable car! You have to respect Porsche for stoping sales and deliveries after has shipped all the cars around the world and wants to fix a problem rather than releasing the product and problem to you and I like most manufacters would have done. Corvette's bench mark is a 911 not Yugo's and for a good reason. Porche is a respectable machine that demands respect on the track and in the garage. They have among the highest resale value, best customer service in the world etc. Personaly GM has a lot to learn, and I am sooo happy they are modeling them selfs from one of the best car companies. Now I never consider a corvette before the C6 Z06 and still did not pull the trigger until last Octomber with the C7 Z51. Great car, GM forget to put oil in the difenetial and it almost killed me at Summitt Point locking all for weels on turn one at 140 miles. GM is getting better and I am happy about that. Len Stoler Porsche sold me several cars and respected my customer loyalty and in February of this year Len Stoler Chevrolet built me a new C7 Z51 velocity yellow, I LOVE THE CAR!
GM co-operated but it was the dealer that made it right for me.
GM has made an amazing car and doing am amazing job with the development of the new Z06, but make no mistake about it, they are lessons to be learned and faster and bigger is not the only measurements, rather customer service goes a long way, and Porsche has gotten that part right for a long time, and that my friends it's a great beanch mark to built on. BTW I just order the new Z06-z07 pkg

Theo Harris

Well said!

Carnut12

Well said

Carnut12

Man I miss my 88 Carrera Coupe, wish I could get it back. They don't make cars that well any longer.

You nailed it, many here in your words still have to grow up.

mikesanto70

With the A8 trans, this thing is going to be a MONSTER in the 1/4 mi and with drag radials/and or slicks will be doing mid 10's easily and 9's with mods!!!! The McLaren 650S is going to get it's lunch eaten by the C7Z....

mikesanto70

The 911 and Vettes are 2 different animals, but if you want to talk 911's, the 2015 911 GT3 is the most kick *** drivers car on the planet, hands down!! I suggest you drive one!!! 991 GT3 that is!!

mikesanto70

well said

rjwz28

The Z/28 is the least-expensive car you can get with OEM carbon ceramic brakes and the only car you can currently buy with OEM Multimatic DSSV shocks. That kind of hardware spread out among 4500 cars over two years is NOT cheap. Sure, you can buy a Challenger Hellcat and have a much more common car that's faster in a straight line and MUCH slower around a track, or you can buy an also-common C7 Z06 that will be a bit faster around the track and only have half the seats, no DSSV, and no CCB (until you spend about $90k for the Z07 package).

Different strokes for different folks, bro; those cars you listed have no bearing on the value of the Z/28.

moby33

Sounds refreshing...maybe I should join (and buy a Miata). Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever spoken to a Miata owner (past or present) that didn't love that car.


I completely understand. My '87 3.2 G50 Carrera coupe will NEVER leave my stable. I've owned many cool classics from multiple C2 Vettes, GTOs, 60's/70's Mustangs, Chevelles, 60's/70's 911's, heck, even an Austin Mini (aka...road legal go-cart) & 'modern classics' like 90's ZR1s & Vipers...not to mention stick time in dozens of other cars (both new & old)...so I like to think I have a well-rounded perspective, but I was SHOCKED to discovered just how good the G50 3.2's are. My only complaint is I didn't drive this car earlier (only got it a few years ago).

Absolutely not the fastest car I've owned/driven, but WOW...if you're an enthusiast and want a "drivers car", the G50 911's are hard to beat. Perfect blend of old school, no computer nannies saving your butt from bad driving, yet still provides a 'modern' feel in the way of positive, lightning fast feedback and sure-footedness that instills confidence when driven well. If you like feedback and want to feel connected to the road via your car, this is a hard car to beat IMO. No doubt you know exactly what I'm talking about from your '88 ownership days.

I bought mine 2 years ago for $20K, and yet had multiple real offers from $35-39K of people begging me to sell in the last 6 months. Those that know, know. Best $20K I've EVER spent on a car hands down.

As for the #'s game, a staff writer for one of the big car mags summed it up perfectly years ago. He said, "If we didn't actually drive the cars to decide which one is the BEST drivers car, then any F1 race car could be considered the "best car". But there's more to a driving experience than just black & white acceleration, skidpads and braking #'s." That's SO true and I think more people should stop worrying about what's on paper and just get out and drive...then embrace the car that puts the biggest smile on your face.

moby33

While I agree the GT3 is a very, very impressive machine, for people like me that absolutely demand a 3rd pedal, those paddle shifters are just not going to cut it. I'm bummed to see Porsche is following in Ferrari's footsteps and essentially killing off the MT. I fear that mentality & business model is eventually going to trickle down to all sports cars (even our beloved Vette).

Bottom line is the modern (and next gen) population of drivers either, 1) Can't drive a MT because they were never taught (or not taught well), or 2) They are so caught up in the #'s game, they must have a PDK because it's 0.02 seconds faster than the old "slow" MT. I always get a laugh out of #2 argument...as if ANY normal driver can really tell a difference.

In case you missed the theme of my other posts, I could care less about #'s but more about the driving experience. For me, that starts and ends w/ a MT. There's just something about slamming through gears, hitting perfect mesh of the gas & clutch and executing a perfect heal/toe downshift going into a tight corner that just can't be matched w/ my fingers playing w/ some paddles on a steering wheel. As I've said before, those that know, know!

I'm a little bummed as I doubt I'll ever own a GT3 (or modern turbo for that matter) because Porsche (and really, the customer base) decided there's just not a big enough market to put MT's in their top of the line models anymore. Sad, but true. Be careful Corvette Nation...I fear that mentality is slowly creeping into your world too. I wouldn't be surprised if the MT is long gone by the time I have gray hair and ready to retire (then again, maybe that will work out just fine for me as I'm sure my shot left knee will not be able to push a clutch pedal anymore in 30+ years).

C5Dobie

Electric cars, hybrids, CVT's (loathe), 7 & 8 speed autos, dual clutch paddle shift, and SEMI's w/ AUTOS!!! - yeah I think the manual transmission is in the early stages of its death throws.

However, certain companies like subaru (hell yeah!), honda (on certain models), audi/vw, and such are still utilizing the MT quite a bit. All the muscle cars offer one, and I think I honestly don't think I'll live to see the day when the MT is pulled from the vette lineup, and I'm 33.

What is odd is that it actually costs less to manufacture, maintain, replace, and work on a manual tranny....so it is a little weird manufacturers of sports cars have been dropping them IMO. I think alot of it has to do w/ this "pussification of America" phenomenon where people are just too lazy or disinterested to learn to drive or bother driving a manual car. They want their speed handed to them on a platter while googling on their smart phone via bluetooth....

and all the above is EXACTLY why I really love my C5Z, & right now prefer it to all other vette models - right blend of some "new school" tech, while still being a very basic, very "old school" musclecar type vette. Can't be beat!

moby33

I think you're right, probably a little of everything. It always blows my mind when I see current stats of requested trans of sports cars that offer AT & MT...crazy to see the vast majority of them are ordered w/ AT.

I know the 911 Turbo lost the MT because resent sales showed single digit % requests for a MT. For drivers like us, we can't fathom that idea, but as a company, Porsche is simply giving their customer base what they are asking for. And years ago (don't have the exact stat) MT Vettes became the minority requested trans and as the years go on, that % continues to drop as more and more buyers request AT instead of MT.

I hope you're right that the MT will be around for many, many decades to come (if not forever), but if ALL car manufacturers eventually have less than 5% requesting MT, it's only a matter of time before they simply kill them off. If that's the case, it looks like us 30 something yr old drivers will be driving 30+ yr old cars when we retire. Oh well...

oicw

Slightly OP, but the 2016 Miata is going to be one helluva ride in its class. 2300 lbs, 50/50 distribution, stiffer than before, 170ish hp 2.0 Skyactiv = a gokart in tight twisties.

Our Vettes are fun, but there're times where I don't need 400 - 700 hp. The Miata is perfect for those times, and my license agrees...

Yogivette

My Z06 was A LOT faster in a straight line and i was more comfortable driving it hard but the 911 feels better. I havent found my comfortable limit in the 911 having only owned it for 6 months but the few times ive taken it in the twisties it has impressed. The steering feel and feedback in 911 is a lot better. And of course interior fit/finish is better as well.

I suspect the c7Z will follow suit. The performance will be better and the performance for price will unquestionably be better but if price was no object i would choose the 911 (unless i wanted a MT).

Snorman

IMO, Miatas are great for arrive-and-drives, but I could never go to one from a 600 rwhp car on R6's. Most tracks where I run in the southeast aren't "tight twisties", and a Miata is a speed bump at tracks like Daytona-Rolex, Sebring, Road Atlanta, etc.. I don't drive on the street like I drive on the track, so the Miata is a no-benefit option to me.
S.

meadowz06

84,000 base price for a 911? That is a joke. The 911 is perhaps the ugliest car made in the world. I just could not look at that car in my garage!

GrantG

I think one of the top Aston-Martin models also uses those shocks. Hope they offer them on a version of the Vette sometime soon. Really top notch shocks on the Z06 would probably improve lap times on many technical tracks more than adding another 100hp.

Carnut12

Agreed, I had one back in the day and that car was one of the funnest cars I have owned. The problem now is I miss the power when merging or passing, but I could probably get used to it. On normal twisty roads it is hard to beat a Miata for fun, the 2016 even more so.