Official LT4 HP/Torque figures announced...
06-07-2014, 08:47 AM
#201
Looks like GM got this one right...can't wait to put my deposit down for a Z07. Coming from my CTS-V daily driver I can't wait to see what 100 extra hp, more lower end torque, and 1000 less pounds feels like.
06-07-2014, 08:52 AM
#202
Scraping the splitter.
but not until they get back from their Klan meeting.
anyone who sincerely believes there is "a steed for every need" is delusional. take a Ford GT for a rip and you'll want to slap that guy who shows up on various Mustang forums and loves to talk about how Ford does everything "for profit period." yes, that's true, but that's also the reason you won't be permitted to enjoy the likes of a new gen FGT and it's the reason you will have to wait 3 damn years for the next GT500 and the reason you'd still be rolling on POS Goodyears. he needs to line his shareholder pockets instead.
read on Mustang6g.com what he says about something being "certainly a profit center" for Ford after another 'stang loyalist has been agonizing because he has to spend thousands extra for content he doesn't want because it's the way he has to do it to get content he does want.
a guy named COOKIE MONSTER says, "What Ford does, and which I absolutely HATE and DESPISE, is make the Navigation option only available on Premium trims plus you need to add the Electronics package option. So that $795 turns into $6500 if you actually want just Nav."
a guy named Madlock subsequently says, "The Ruby Red, and Triple Yellow, like other colors Ford offers like Platinum White Metallic, Crystal Champagne, and other tri-coats are a 3-stage paint that looks terrific but can be a bugger for body shops to get right. It's certainly a profit center at $395, but it's also a more expensive process to apply.
think Ford got no bailout? of course they did. it's just that YOU who buy Fords are the ones who are going to pay for it.
Mustang is my first love going all the way back to the 1960s. My 2013 GT500 was a hoot. but, spend time on Mustang forums and in short order you will figure out that you either subscribe to the cracker coalition or just like Rudolph, you're not going to be invited to play in any reindeer games. I don't subscribe to the cracker coalition and however much fun a GT500 is, I'm not going to be flying that flag.
anyone who sincerely believes there is "a steed for every need" is delusional. take a Ford GT for a rip and you'll want to slap that guy who shows up on various Mustang forums and loves to talk about how Ford does everything "for profit period." yes, that's true, but that's also the reason you won't be permitted to enjoy the likes of a new gen FGT and it's the reason you will have to wait 3 damn years for the next GT500 and the reason you'd still be rolling on POS Goodyears. he needs to line his shareholder pockets instead.
read on Mustang6g.com what he says about something being "certainly a profit center" for Ford after another 'stang loyalist has been agonizing because he has to spend thousands extra for content he doesn't want because it's the way he has to do it to get content he does want.
a guy named COOKIE MONSTER says, "What Ford does, and which I absolutely HATE and DESPISE, is make the Navigation option only available on Premium trims plus you need to add the Electronics package option. So that $795 turns into $6500 if you actually want just Nav."
a guy named Madlock subsequently says, "The Ruby Red, and Triple Yellow, like other colors Ford offers like Platinum White Metallic, Crystal Champagne, and other tri-coats are a 3-stage paint that looks terrific but can be a bugger for body shops to get right. It's certainly a profit center at $395, but it's also a more expensive process to apply.
think Ford got no bailout? of course they did. it's just that YOU who buy Fords are the ones who are going to pay for it.
Mustang is my first love going all the way back to the 1960s. My 2013 GT500 was a hoot. but, spend time on Mustang forums and in short order you will figure out that you either subscribe to the cracker coalition or just like Rudolph, you're not going to be invited to play in any reindeer games. I don't subscribe to the cracker coalition and however much fun a GT500 is, I'm not going to be flying that flag.
S.
06-07-2014, 09:00 AM
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06-07-2014, 09:03 AM
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06-07-2014, 09:53 AM
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Le Mans Master
IMO the only new corvette that would cause "butt hurt" to a loyal corvette owner would be a new model that is less capable then the one it is replacing......... like what happened from 72 to the end of the C3 run
Other than what happened to the 2001 ZO6 owners
06-07-2014, 10:21 AM
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06-07-2014, 10:45 AM
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Great on the 650/650 and just wondering since GM has driveable z06's they are taking around to shows why have they not already released the weight of the car. Pretty sure it has to be around 3500 or so. Guess just have to wait bit longer to find out .
06-07-2014, 11:06 AM
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06-07-2014, 11:46 AM
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Most top tier corvette owners are true corvette fans who cheer on the next and better generation
IMO the only new corvette that would cause "butt hurt" to a loyal corvette owner would be a new model that is less capable then the one it is replacing......... like what happened from 72 to the end of the C3 run
Other than what happened to the 2001 ZO6 owners
IMO the only new corvette that would cause "butt hurt" to a loyal corvette owner would be a new model that is less capable then the one it is replacing......... like what happened from 72 to the end of the C3 run
Other than what happened to the 2001 ZO6 owners
I agree. You touch on a great point. We've all gotten pretty spoiled in the last several years of getting more power, more capability, more performance as time moves forward.
There certainly is no guarantee that will continue on forever and never reverse, and I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth in here if a top tier model replacement was announced with having less capability/performance than before (which as you point out, has happened).
We are blessed to be living in times of great sports car performance (and outstanding Corvette performance). We probabaly shouldn't take it for granted.
06-07-2014, 12:37 PM
#211
Melting Slicks
GREAT points. Who knows what will happen in the future with laws, etc.
In terms of the C7 Z06, I want a black one (makes the tail lights look much better). And how cool is 650/650 out of the box? Very!
In terms of the C7 Z06, I want a black one (makes the tail lights look much better). And how cool is 650/650 out of the box? Very!
I agree. You touch on a great point. We've all gotten pretty spoiled in the last several years of getting more power, more capability, more performance as time moves forward.
There certainly is no guarantee that will continue on forever and never reverse, and I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth in here if a top tier model replacement was announced with having less capability/performance than before (which as you point out, has happened).
We are blessed to be living in times of great sports car performance (and outstanding Corvette performance). We probabaly shouldn't take it for granted.
There certainly is no guarantee that will continue on forever and never reverse, and I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth in here if a top tier model replacement was announced with having less capability/performance than before (which as you point out, has happened).
We are blessed to be living in times of great sports car performance (and outstanding Corvette performance). We probabaly shouldn't take it for granted.
06-07-2014, 01:02 PM
#212
Safety Car
I'm not too worried about the price being a total shock (my guess is between $81k and $85k base MSRP which would make it a terrific value) but I am concerned about the final weight numbers. I'm thinking that one of the reasons that it's getting all of this power is because of that. 
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I just don't want to do the math, adding a supercharger to the Z51 weight
06-07-2014, 01:41 PM
#213
Scraping the splitter.
My bet is that it's going to be ~75# heavier than a Z51. Maybe a couple #'s more.
S.
06-07-2014, 01:47 PM
#214
Safety Car
I bet it's going to be twice that. The carbon tq tube can maybe offset the wider body, but then there are tires wheels cooling etc being upsized plus aero. 3,600lbs min
06-07-2014, 02:04 PM
#215
Drifting
For stock they had to make the performance numbers better, and the ZR1 is a 6 year old car on a 10 year old platform. Make no mistake which car has more potential though
06-07-2014, 02:04 PM
#216
I agree. You touch on a great point. We've all gotten pretty spoiled in the last several years of getting more power, more capability, more performance as time moves forward.
There certainly is no guarantee that will continue on forever and never reverse, and I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth in here if a top tier model replacement was announced with having less capability/performance than before (which as you point out, has happened).
We are blessed to be living in times of great sports car performance (and outstanding Corvette performance). We probabaly shouldn't take it for granted.
There certainly is no guarantee that will continue on forever and never reverse, and I can't imagine the gnashing of teeth in here if a top tier model replacement was announced with having less capability/performance than before (which as you point out, has happened).
We are blessed to be living in times of great sports car performance (and outstanding Corvette performance). We probabaly shouldn't take it for granted.
I agree the up the hp thing has go to end sometime just hope it's not for at least 10 more years.
06-07-2014, 02:11 PM
#217
Safety Car
With the ZR1's 2.3L blower vs the 1.7L on the new Z06 (being spun much faster) there is no comparison what both cars are actually capable of when modded. GM's own testing on the ZR1 was pushed to 900hp on an engine dyno according to a close contact that I have at Eaton. Not to mention the stock fuel system in the ZR1 can handle E85 at 800rwhp with a decent set of injectors.
For stock they had to make the performance numbers better, and the ZR1 is a 6 year old car on a 10 year old platform. Make no mistake which car has more potential though
For stock they had to make the performance numbers better, and the ZR1 is a 6 year old car on a 10 year old platform. Make no mistake which car has more potential though
LT4 has the most potential out of the box and modded. What happens when you drop compression to 9.1 on the LT4 and mount a larger blower? DI will enable more boost before knock for any given octane number.
We haven't even touched on cooling which is just as important as pushing air with FI. If the C7 platform cools significantly better than the C6 less power will be lost to heatsoak in real applications.
06-07-2014, 03:24 PM
#218
Team Owner
Yes, larger wheels/tires, larger brake rotors/calipers (the heavier non-carbon ones I mean), slightly beefier suspension pieces, the blower with all of the extra plumbing and coolers as well as some other standard content that might only be optional on the base LT1 cars, it all adds up. I don't think it will reach a full 3600 pound base weight though, but over 3500 is very probable.
06-07-2014, 04:43 PM
#220
Race Director
