Will the new Z06 get the same crappy orange peel paint Stingray has been getting?
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So orange peel in the paint is more important to you than rest of the car (performance, handling, comfort, interior design and quality, etc)?
I don't get this personally. I would take the better car over the lesser car (overall) even if the paint wasn't as nice. To be clear, I'm not saying they shouldn't make the paint perfect. I'm saying that the C7 Z06 will be, IMO, a significantly better overall car but you would choose the one with dated technology, dated interior, likely handles worse because of paint? The C7 Z06 will likely be one of the most capable cars available regardless of price when it comes out but you would not buy it because of OP? To me, that makes zero sense. When you are driving the Z06 at the track or on a deserted back road at speed you can't even see the damn paint!
I can see it now... Me... "Hey honey, I bought a new car!" Wife... "Did you buy that really awesome performing Z06 you talk about?" Me... "Nope, I bought a car that wasn't as capable because the paint was a bit better." Wife... "Have you lost your F'ing mind?!?"
Edit: P.S. I'm not judging you for that but I just can't get my head wrapped around it.
I don't get this personally. I would take the better car over the lesser car (overall) even if the paint wasn't as nice. To be clear, I'm not saying they shouldn't make the paint perfect. I'm saying that the C7 Z06 will be, IMO, a significantly better overall car but you would choose the one with dated technology, dated interior, likely handles worse because of paint? The C7 Z06 will likely be one of the most capable cars available regardless of price when it comes out but you would not buy it because of OP? To me, that makes zero sense. When you are driving the Z06 at the track or on a deserted back road at speed you can't even see the damn paint!
I can see it now... Me... "Hey honey, I bought a new car!" Wife... "Did you buy that really awesome performing Z06 you talk about?" Me... "Nope, I bought a car that wasn't as capable because the paint was a bit better." Wife... "Have you lost your F'ing mind?!?"
Edit: P.S. I'm not judging you for that but I just can't get my head wrapped around it.
That's right the paint quality means that much to me as it should to all IMO...I enjoy the cars performance but I also enjoy polishing and waxing my car to make it look beautiful and I take pride in doing that..personally opposite to how you think I can't get my head wrapped around how so many people can over look a crappy paint job on such a car hell I can't except it on my DD let alone my pride and joy ride there's no reason why we can't enjoy the best of both worlds enjoy the performance and enjoy the finish of the car...nothing turns me off more to a nice car when you see it from a distance and it looks beautiful then you walk up to the car and the paint looks like crap I see it all the time at car shows..
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That's right the paint quality means that much to me as it should to all IMO...I enjoy the cars performance but I also enjoy polishing and waxing my car to make it look beautiful and I take pride in doing that..personally opposite to how you think I can't get my head wrapped around how so many people can over look a crappy paint job on such a car hell I can't except it on my DD let alone my pride and joy ride there's no reason why we can't enjoy the best of both worlds enjoy the performance and enjoy the finish of the car...nothing turns me off more to a nice car when you see it from a distance and it looks beautiful then you walk up to the car and the paint looks like crap I see it all the time at car shows..
If the car is a showcar type for the owner... as you suggest... then the order of importance might clearly be different. I guess the fundamental difference, and reason for my personal confusion, is I buy performance cars for their ability and the driving experience first and that would be ESPECIALLY true with the Z06. Paint would only matter to me when considering cars that are equal in every other performance respect first. I buy'em to drive'em. I guess, in the end, I don't agree that the paint quality should matter "that" much to all. I'm not suggesting it isn't important and if my C7 had really crappy paint it would annoy me (but I'd just fix it) but it wouldn't stop me for buying a car where the performance is the primary decision factor... it is a sports car after all . If I was buying an S Class Mercedes or a collectible car, then it might matter more, I guess.
If I wanted a show car type car, I would buy a show car type car Not a sports car that is designed and meant to be driven hard... my car would have paint flaws over time anyway just from how I use it whether it was perfect from the factory or not
I think this is the "buy it to go" or "buy it to show" scenario. There is no right answer to that as it is based on the person spending the money and what they want. I'm a "buy it to go" type of guy when it comes to cars in the performance ranges of Z06s, etc.
Last edited by gthal; 05-10-2014 at 07:29 AM.
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Don't get me wrong... getting the best of both worlds is what everyone wants. However, I buy a performance car for its "performance" first, and foremost... the paint would be a secondary consideration.
If the car is a showcar type for the owner... as you suggest... then the order of importance might clearly be different. I guess the fundamental difference, and reason for my personal confusion, is I buy performance cars for their ability and the driving experience first and that would be ESPECIALLY true with the Z06. Paint would only matter to me when considering cars that are equal in every other performance respect first. I buy'em to drive'em. I guess, in the end, I don't agree that the paint quality should matter "that" much to all. I'm not suggesting it isn't important and if my C7 had really crappy paint it would annoy me (but I'd just fix it) but it wouldn't stop me for buying a car where the performance is the primary decision factor... it is a sports car after all . If I was buying an S Class Mercedes or a collectible car, then it might matter more, I guess.
If I wanted a show car type car, I would buy a show car type car Not a sports car that is designed and meant to be driven hard... my car would have paint flaws over time anyway just from how I use it whether it was perfect from the factory or not
If the car is a showcar type for the owner... as you suggest... then the order of importance might clearly be different. I guess the fundamental difference, and reason for my personal confusion, is I buy performance cars for their ability and the driving experience first and that would be ESPECIALLY true with the Z06. Paint would only matter to me when considering cars that are equal in every other performance respect first. I buy'em to drive'em. I guess, in the end, I don't agree that the paint quality should matter "that" much to all. I'm not suggesting it isn't important and if my C7 had really crappy paint it would annoy me (but I'd just fix it) but it wouldn't stop me for buying a car where the performance is the primary decision factor... it is a sports car after all . If I was buying an S Class Mercedes or a collectible car, then it might matter more, I guess.
If I wanted a show car type car, I would buy a show car type car Not a sports car that is designed and meant to be driven hard... my car would have paint flaws over time anyway just from how I use it whether it was perfect from the factory or not
So you think we can't have the best of both worlds ?...I never put mine in a car show I also drive mine and love the power..please don't take this as an attack on you I respect that you buy a car like this just for the performance so any finish should be ok for you according to what you want the car for they could leave it just primer coat right ?
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So you think we can't have the best of both worlds ?...I never put mine in a car show I also drive mine and love the power..please don't take this as an attack on you I respect that you buy a car like this just for the performance so any finish should be ok for you according to what you want the car for they could leave it just primer coat right ?
We should have best of both worlds. However, if we don't, my decision to buy is still first and foremost performance and price. If there were two equally performing cars, with great interiors and in a reasonable price band to one another THEN paint might decide it for me.
This is all about the factors that come into the buying decision for each person. My priority list is just a bit different than yours
P.S. If the Z06 had the same paint quality as my TR C7, I'm betting you would be happy. Maybe I'm just lucky with my car and its finish and maybe I'd be grumpier about it if I had one of the very bad cars?
Last edited by gthal; 05-10-2014 at 07:44 AM.
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The crappy paint matches the crappy build quality
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Le Mans Master
I wonder with the increased production of the C7, if this issue might even escalate? Get those cars through that paint line faster....throw it on thick and fast.
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I remembered threads like this one while parked next to a Porsche Panamera a few days ago. The factory paint was seriously orange peeled down its whole $100,000 side, vastly worse than my C6. I guess the paint robot was hung over that Monday morning. Orange peel is an industry-wide problem, not just a Chevy problem.
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That's right the paint quality means that much to me as it should to all IMO...I enjoy the cars performance but I also enjoy polishing and waxing my car to make it look beautiful and I take pride in doing that..personally opposite to how you think I can't get my head wrapped around how so many people can over look a crappy paint job on such a car hell I can't except it on my DD let alone my pride and joy ride there's no reason why we can't enjoy the best of both worlds enjoy the performance and enjoy the finish of the car...nothing turns me off more to a nice car when you see it from a distance and it looks beautiful then you walk up to the car and the paint looks like crap I see it all the time at car shows..
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I remembered threads like this one while parked next to a Porsche Panamera a few days ago. The factory paint was seriously orange peeled down its whole $100,000 side, vastly worse than my C6. I guess the paint robot was hung over that Monday morning. Orange peel is an industry-wide problem, not just a Chevy problem.
And yet GM itself (as well as other manufacturers) builds cars currently with better paint finish than what a lot of C7 Stingrays are getting.
I get the fact that some other cars have orange peel issues. I even get the fact that some of those other affected cars are expensive models. Guess what? I don't a give a damn. And the reason is that it is no excuse. Particularly when GM currently builds other models with paint superior to the C7, and in fact even manages to spit out a few C7s with decent paint. Bowling Green needs to get the consistency nailed down.
The industry may in fact be currently struggling with this as an issue on an across-the-board fashion. However, GM and other manufacturers are producing other models with better paint than the Stingray. I don't think it's too much to ask the Stingray (and the new Z06 in particular), to have a good paint job.
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And yet GM itself (as well as other manufacturers) builds cars currently with better paint finish than what a lot of C7 Stingrays are getting.
I get the fact that some other cars have orange peel issues. I even get the fact that some of those other affected cars are expensive models. Guess what? I don't a give a damn. And the reason is that it is no excuse. Particularly when GM currently builds other models with paint superior to the C7, and in fact even manages to spit out a few C7s with decent paint. Bowling Green needs to get the consistency nailed down.
The industry may in fact be currently struggling with this as an issue on an across-the-board fashion. However, GM and other manufacturers are producing other models with better paint than the Stingray. I don't think it's too much to ask the Stingray (and the new Z06 in particular), to have a good paint job.
I get the fact that some other cars have orange peel issues. I even get the fact that some of those other affected cars are expensive models. Guess what? I don't a give a damn. And the reason is that it is no excuse. Particularly when GM currently builds other models with paint superior to the C7, and in fact even manages to spit out a few C7s with decent paint. Bowling Green needs to get the consistency nailed down.
The industry may in fact be currently struggling with this as an issue on an across-the-board fashion. However, GM and other manufacturers are producing other models with better paint than the Stingray. I don't think it's too much to ask the Stingray (and the new Z06 in particular), to have a good paint job.
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Le Mans Master
This is somewhat true, corvette is a mass produced car so GM can't pay at tension to that kind of detail, if it was made in lower volume like the viper, which is wet sanded until its perfect , corvettes paint would be better, fact is orange peel is not a new thing to corvette, it's had it for 30 plus years, I found human hair in some of my vettes paint.
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Crappy paint
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Orange peel will remain an issue as long as the majority of Corvette customers are willing to pay for it, then ignore it; and then post online that it's a "secondary issue", or a figment of somebody's imagination.
OnPoint is very much on point about Orange peel, and I agree with his well spoken posts.
We that care can only hope that those responsible at the plant are aware and planning a change in the very inconsistent paint quality we know exists in current C7 production.
John Brady
Multi Corvette C5, and C6 owner.
Orange peel will remain an issue as long as the majority of Corvette customers are willing to pay for it, then ignore it; and then post online that it's a "secondary issue", or a figment of somebody's imagination.
OnPoint is very much on point about Orange peel, and I agree with his well spoken posts.
We that care can only hope that those responsible at the plant are aware and planning a change in the very inconsistent paint quality we know exists in current C7 production.
John Brady
Multi Corvette C5, and C6 owner.
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I sat in on a C7 owners session with the BG QC Engineers at the Bash. Believe me, they know. They are working on a solution, but have no time schedule for a fix right now.