ZR1 on the way
#41
Racer
Orange peel - blame the Clean Air Act and water-based acrylic paints with low VOC's. the application of these paints is tricky and very dependent on humidity. Whether your car has orange peel or not is almost "luck of the draw' on when it was painted.
Now a custom paint job can still be done with high VOC lacquer-based paints, depending on where you are located.....but the days of these paint jobs are coming to an end soon, too.
Now a custom paint job can still be done with high VOC lacquer-based paints, depending on where you are located.....but the days of these paint jobs are coming to an end soon, too.
#42
Team Owner
Maybe the best paint job ive ever seen was on the new SRT Vipers, haven't seen anything as good, and I know Ralph Gilles brags about that but good paint cant compensate for other shortcomings.
Okay now back to the topic and im not making any of this up, so I wondering if anyone heard anything even remotely similar.
The Corvette spied here is no convertible Z06, so I cant understand why it would wear the camo.
Okay now back to the topic and im not making any of this up, so I wondering if anyone heard anything even remotely similar.
The Corvette spied here is no convertible Z06, so I cant understand why it would wear the camo.
Maybe that car is the GS replacement with a 480-500 HP twin turbo V6, to slide in between the Z51 and the Z06.
#43
Haven't seen the process GM is using, however I was quite captivated by the Emu feather process Ferrari is using. And I was always impressed with the quality of paint jobs on most Ferrari's in the past, but there again, there's a major price difference between the two. Guess my point was there are solutions to the problem, if it's a major problem to the individual, but for many, it's not that much of a problem.
You don't even see car magazines complaining about orange peel in cars they give cars fit and finish points but don't mentioned it.
#44
Racer
I don't think the OP comment was completely off subject, at least my intent with it was that before they take on another model - i.e. ZR with a potentially different driveline or frame etc), they need to tighten QC on their paint. I.e. they need to perfect what they building now (and soon will be with the Z).
I understand your comments, and don't even disagree with them. But I've seen C7s with very good paint, and C7s with horrible paint. I've also seen Cruzes and Cadillacs with excellent paint. Seems to me they CAN lay a good finish. What we're seeing in practice is it appears to be a crap shoot whether you get one or the other. I'd personally rather my new 7 not be a crap shoot as to whether it will have a good finish.
I understand your comments, and don't even disagree with them. But I've seen C7s with very good paint, and C7s with horrible paint. I've also seen Cruzes and Cadillacs with excellent paint. Seems to me they CAN lay a good finish. What we're seeing in practice is it appears to be a crap shoot whether you get one or the other. I'd personally rather my new 7 not be a crap shoot as to whether it will have a good finish.
#45
Pro
If GM can produce algorithms to make the car behave based on operator inputs, road characteristics, and the weather, one would think that they could get themselves or Fanuc to do the same for a robot spraying paint on panels based on temps and humidity.
#46
Racer
I totally agree with you, but it is what it is, and I personally have tried to remain as well informed and resourceful enough in finding solutions to take care of as many issues as possible myself. This issue is just one of many. Not sure if the ZR1 being supercharged had the issue, but I'm kinda of anticipating an oil control issue possibly arising with the Z06. Seems some of the guys have actually installed oil puke tanks and taken other measures, but then that might be a problem that has arisen with installing aftermarket superchargers on the base Stingray. Not sure....
#49
Safety Car
Tadge said no turbo set up could be packaged properly on the c7 platform... that means c7 will not have turbos... it's really pretty simple... if anything is more plausible a hybrid frame, cf tub and some new n/a engine is more likely to become the zr1 badge
#50
Advanced
Hi, saw the c7 vert at longbeach last weekend I think GM has done a brilliant job designing the 7 overall but was supprised to se 2 bodypannels not aligned by a 1/16 inch
just proud of each other, so if I can see them what happened to all the inspections etc
lets get this one right
just proud of each other, so if I can see them what happened to all the inspections etc
lets get this one right
#51
Burning Brakes
There have been very few cars in automotive history that came stock with a V8 twin turbo setup. Lots of reasons for this.
But... all those reasons aside I really don't think GM is going to invest all that money in a new supercharger setup just to turn around and offer a turbo model later on.
I feel a CF frame will happen.. soon enough for most cars. It may produce better 0-60 numbers on sports cars, but it will also produce better MPG #'s on all of GM's practical cars, which effect their CAFE numbers most.
But... all those reasons aside I really don't think GM is going to invest all that money in a new supercharger setup just to turn around and offer a turbo model later on.
I feel a CF frame will happen.. soon enough for most cars. It may produce better 0-60 numbers on sports cars, but it will also produce better MPG #'s on all of GM's practical cars, which effect their CAFE numbers most.
#52
Melting Slicks
They could put the turbos where the mufflers are...
#53
Race Director
#54
Drifting
I doubt he's ever said flat out "no Z06." He is very careful to answer some questions straight, and give noncommittal non-answers to others.
Example: When asked "Since the new Z06 has truly awesome performance, there was word today from several outlets that the ZR-1 will be no longer necessary. Is there a possibility of an even more ridiculous Vette in the future?" he answered "Nothing is impossible." http://jalopnik.com/ask-corvette-z06...1500006288/all Elsewhere in that session he said flat out no DCT in this generation since the A8 is lighter, smaller, and faster shifting, and actually fits in the car.
So I wouldn't expect to see a DCT because he gave good engineering reasons not to bother with it, but based on his waffling non-denial that they're cooking up a ZR1, I'd count on seeing it in a year or two. Not that I would feel it necessary, as a 625hp convertible Z06 will keep me happy for the foreseeable future.
Example: When asked "Since the new Z06 has truly awesome performance, there was word today from several outlets that the ZR-1 will be no longer necessary. Is there a possibility of an even more ridiculous Vette in the future?" he answered "Nothing is impossible." http://jalopnik.com/ask-corvette-z06...1500006288/all Elsewhere in that session he said flat out no DCT in this generation since the A8 is lighter, smaller, and faster shifting, and actually fits in the car.
So I wouldn't expect to see a DCT because he gave good engineering reasons not to bother with it, but based on his waffling non-denial that they're cooking up a ZR1, I'd count on seeing it in a year or two. Not that I would feel it necessary, as a 625hp convertible Z06 will keep me happy for the foreseeable future.
#55
Its really funny you say this because I heard the same exact same thing from one of the suppliers that are working on the car. he said there will be a zr1 and said a hp figure that matched yours. I posted about it and was also flamed but its nice to hear the same info from someone else. Iam sure its a few years out so lets enjoy how awesome the c7z is right now
#56
Race Director
You might be right. I don't have the patience (or bandwidth) to look at all the videos of the Stingray release
I do remember posting on a thread that was stating that Tadge and crew were not very good at marketing (as far as wording) when making statements about future models or options. Someone high up (don't know if it was Tadge) stated that there would be no A8 for the 2015 Stingray because it needed some work to mate with the standard torque converter and, what do you know, the 2015 now has been confirmed with it, so the situation has happened, not that it is that big of a deal.
I do remember posting on a thread that was stating that Tadge and crew were not very good at marketing (as far as wording) when making statements about future models or options. Someone high up (don't know if it was Tadge) stated that there would be no A8 for the 2015 Stingray because it needed some work to mate with the standard torque converter and, what do you know, the 2015 now has been confirmed with it, so the situation has happened, not that it is that big of a deal.
#57
Le Mans Master
I also find it funny people think the new Z06, which from a performance envelope standpoint, will be a MARGINAL improvement over the C6 ZR1 is where Team Vette is going to stop for the C7. That just doesn't even make sense. On the track, the C7 Z06 will be slightly faster than the C6 ZR1. Effectively, it's a lateral move on the performance front.
So, GM has the twin turbo V8 being developed (to go into at least 1 Cadillac model too) and they have the room to step it up on the performance front in the C7 line. There will be a ZR1 model in the C7 line-up and it will have a TT V8, maybe called L88. It will have some nice interior enhancements (Nappa leather, etc.), some exterior differentiators, different wheels/tires, and a few other things.
Guys, think about it. There are a lot of people (me included) that would pay an extra $20k+ over the C7 Z06 to get a factory twin turbo V8 with 750hp or so and some nice interior and exterior tweaks. It's a good business model for GM, especially if they'll already effectively have the engine for some other Cadillac models. Drop it in the C7, made a few other tweaks/changes, make a bulletproof cooling system for track work, and charge a lot of money for it. People will buy them just like 4,500+ people bought the C6 ZR1.
#58
Le Mans Master
Frankly, I think I'll wait for the supercharged, twin-turbo Beast that will show up sooner rather than later. Why get yourself into a low powered 750HP twin turbo when just around the corner from that is the "Beast" at a mere 905HP?
This will be a piece of cake for the Corvette engineers to setup since they already have everything they need from the basic C7Z and C7ZR1.
Guys, think about it....you're gonna look so out of date and underpowered in the C7Z @625 or the C7ZR1 @750!
It's only going to be upward and onward with the new Beast in production but of course you will pay the $145k for it right? I know I will and I can't wait....GM GO!!!! Now gotta find a dealer taking preorders.
Now we're really talking SuperCar.
I hope they don't have any of that tacky stick on crap on the Beast!
This will be a piece of cake for the Corvette engineers to setup since they already have everything they need from the basic C7Z and C7ZR1.
Guys, think about it....you're gonna look so out of date and underpowered in the C7Z @625 or the C7ZR1 @750!
It's only going to be upward and onward with the new Beast in production but of course you will pay the $145k for it right? I know I will and I can't wait....GM GO!!!! Now gotta find a dealer taking preorders.
Now we're really talking SuperCar.
I hope they don't have any of that tacky stick on crap on the Beast!
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Towards the end of my interview with Harlan I asked him about this and he said that they simply haven't taken the camo off all the Z06's yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgCw...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgCw...ature=youtu.be