Carbon Ceramic Brakes
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Annnnnnd I track my car.
I'd suggest folks who are on the fence regarding the CC brakes take input from folks that actually use them versus people who just think they know all about them. There's a little bit of knowledge and a lot of assumption available around here.
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Really. I've had my ZR1 for 4 years know and have replaced the pads twice so far. The rotors are still the factory ones.
Annnnnnd I track my car.
I'd suggest folks who are on the fence regarding the CC brakes take input from folks that actually use them versus people who just think they know all about them. There's a little bit of knowledge and a lot of assumption available around here.
Annnnnnd I track my car.
I'd suggest folks who are on the fence regarding the CC brakes take input from folks that actually use them versus people who just think they know all about them. There's a little bit of knowledge and a lot of assumption available around here.
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Really. I've had my ZR1 for 4 years know and have replaced the pads twice so far. The rotors are still the factory ones.
Annnnnnd I track my car.
I'd suggest folks who are on the fence regarding the CC brakes take input from folks that actually use them versus people who just think they know all about them. There's a little bit of knowledge and a lot of assumption available around here.
Annnnnnd I track my car.
I'd suggest folks who are on the fence regarding the CC brakes take input from folks that actually use them versus people who just think they know all about them. There's a little bit of knowledge and a lot of assumption available around here.
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That is great, but I have a foot in the Porsche camp, too, and their Brembo CCBs seems to have not been so lucky. Many folks remove their CCBs and use iron rotors to track. To each his own, for sure, but the price of replacing those carbon brakes, speaking only for me, is scary.
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- Porsche over-charges for their pads and rotors.
- Porsche doesn't use the same pad compound GM uses.
- Porsche over-charges for their pads and rotors (wait, I said that already).
The two aren't comparable. Again, folks on the fence should ignore the users of other CCB setups and focus on getting input from the people who drive ZR1s and Z07-optioned C6 Z06s. The vast majority of us fricken love the GM CCB setup and wouldn't be without them.
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Porsche does charge too much for PCCB's, but Ferrari uses the identical rotors as the ZR1 on its Enzo and maybe other models and I think they charge at least double of what Porsche charges (and about 6 times more than what Chevy charges for the same part).
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Yep, I'm aware. I was specifically answering the previous poster's reference to having a foot in the Porsche camp. More to your point: it doesn't seem like any of the European sport or GT cars have affordable CCB setups. They all over-charge for the components because, well, they can.
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I believe GM said in their press release that the carbon-ceramic brakes were part of the Z07 package. Doesn't make sense to offer them separately, since the only other differences between the Z07 and the lessor packages are a few additional add on aero parts and the tires.
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Yep, I'm aware. I was specifically answering the previous poster's reference to having a foot in the Porsche camp. More to your point: it doesn't seem like any of the European sport or GT cars have affordable CCB setups. They all over-charge for the components because, well, they can.
So whats the price diff for ZR1 ccb vs steel. For my 996tt 18k vs 1k the differential between PCCB and steels rotors and pads is 17k USD. Which is probably more like around 20k here in Canada of which my car is only worth 40k.
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Regarding whether or not I'll get the Z07 package on my C7Z, that's yet to be determined and I'd need far more info that we have now to make that decision.
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They do not, in any way, wear anywhere near the rate of steel rotors. Even when tracking them. That's just patently false information. Completely and totally.
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And FYI...rotors are not steel, they are iron.
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They're expensive, but the performance and robustness in them can't be matched by steel.
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Because I'll track that particular car and the cost to replace the CCB's, which wear at a rate very similar to iron rotors in an on-track environment, is over $20k. In fact, a great many owners switch their CCB's to iron rotors.
Regarding whether or not I'll get the Z07 package on my C7Z, that's yet to be determined and I'd need far more info that we have now to make that decision.
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Regarding whether or not I'll get the Z07 package on my C7Z, that's yet to be determined and I'd need far more info that we have now to make that decision.
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I'm willing to bet that less than 5% of the Z06 owners track there cars on a regular basis. So I think you're in the minority.. I may be wrong but i doubt it.
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You car-switched mid-way through the conversation then. You and Medic Man were debating the CCBs available on the GM car, not the Porsche car.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
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You car-switched mid-way through the conversation then. You and Medic Man were debating the CCBs available on the GM car, not the Porsche car.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
#79
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So 7K is appetizing? 20K is stooopid, 7K is just kinda stoopid....I am looking at more like $1,200.00 for 4 iron rotors, $800 for f/r pads, and that will get you solid stuff to use as track consumables.
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You car-switched mid-way through the conversation then. You and Medic Man were debating the CCBs available on the GM car, not the Porsche car.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
Quite frankly: I don't give a rat's *** what Porsche owners (or Ferrari owners, or McLaren owners, or GT-R owners, or...) do with their brakes.
Originally Posted by Snorman
...didn't option them on another car I recently ordered (and on which they are available for ~$9k), but I'll really be on the fence with the Z06.
And similar to the info I have gathered regarding iron vs. CCB rotors for my Porsche order, I will do the same thing regarding whether or not I'll want the Z07 package (CCB's) on my C7Z. If they wear at the same rate on a Porsche, I'd need to be convinced they won't on a Corvette (and not by some anonymous person on the internet, but by people I speak to who actually track their cars heavily).
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