Delrin vs Spherical Bearing Suspension
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Delrin vs Spherical Bearing Suspension
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Here are my thoughts on Delrin vs Spherical bearings. The Three levels of bushing upgrades starting with Stock are ---Urethane - Delrin - Spherical.
There is no question in the racing world that Spherical bearing is the only way to go. Urethane is a good Street upgrade because done properly it will not be noisy. Better than stock but only one step above.
Delrin is what we used when the rules banned Spherical bearings but given the choice, we always went spherical.
Keep in mind that delrin bushings in the suspension only allow motion in a single axis where spherical bearings do allow some anti dive as well.
Plus Delrin has to rely on the contact between the bushing/sleeve where the bolt goes through. The friction area is very large and that friction is increased exponentially as they are asked to do more work. (Braking and acceleration )
Delrin is 100 times better than the stock sloppy rubber but to be precise with your suspension and its function, sperical bearings are the way to go.
To show how bad the Rubber is, we did a video on the dyno that shows the wheel and the A arm bushing movement under acceleration forces.
The same happens to the front A arms when braking. imagine the tire grip that pulls the lower A arm and tire toward the back of the car (holding the car back while braking)
Delrin will tend to bind on its bushings under both Braking and Acceleration. This binding does not show up on the bench.
This in known as "Hysteresis Loss" or just plain binding that the car's suspension has to overcome before it can do its job. The same forces -fore-aft come into play all the time.
Delrin has huge Dynamic Friction induced under both Braking, and acceleration.
Like I said, in the past, we only used Delrin when the rules specifically banned "Spherical Bearings" .
Also, I see some people posting alignment numbers showing "Toe In" at both ends of the car. We NEVER run toe in at the front. NEVER.
The car will not turn easily with toe in. Toe out lets the inside wheel seek a tighter radius quicker and you will see and feel "quicker" steering. PLUS toe out gives the driver more confidence by eliminating any twitchy feel on turn in.
I will be glad to answer any questions here or you can contact me directly at LG Motorsports for technical advice that we learned through the years of racing and winning.
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Lou Gigliotti
LG Motorsports
AND for those who are new to the Corvette Community: Qualifying from Petit Le Mans 2009 LG Vs Factory Corvettes GT2 class>>
Here are my thoughts on Delrin vs Spherical bearings. The Three levels of bushing upgrades starting with Stock are ---Urethane - Delrin - Spherical.
There is no question in the racing world that Spherical bearing is the only way to go. Urethane is a good Street upgrade because done properly it will not be noisy. Better than stock but only one step above.
Delrin is what we used when the rules banned Spherical bearings but given the choice, we always went spherical.
Keep in mind that delrin bushings in the suspension only allow motion in a single axis where spherical bearings do allow some anti dive as well.
Plus Delrin has to rely on the contact between the bushing/sleeve where the bolt goes through. The friction area is very large and that friction is increased exponentially as they are asked to do more work. (Braking and acceleration )
Delrin is 100 times better than the stock sloppy rubber but to be precise with your suspension and its function, sperical bearings are the way to go.
To show how bad the Rubber is, we did a video on the dyno that shows the wheel and the A arm bushing movement under acceleration forces.
The same happens to the front A arms when braking. imagine the tire grip that pulls the lower A arm and tire toward the back of the car (holding the car back while braking)
Delrin will tend to bind on its bushings under both Braking and Acceleration. This binding does not show up on the bench.
This in known as "Hysteresis Loss" or just plain binding that the car's suspension has to overcome before it can do its job. The same forces -fore-aft come into play all the time.
Delrin has huge Dynamic Friction induced under both Braking, and acceleration.
Like I said, in the past, we only used Delrin when the rules specifically banned "Spherical Bearings" .
Also, I see some people posting alignment numbers showing "Toe In" at both ends of the car. We NEVER run toe in at the front. NEVER.
The car will not turn easily with toe in. Toe out lets the inside wheel seek a tighter radius quicker and you will see and feel "quicker" steering. PLUS toe out gives the driver more confidence by eliminating any twitchy feel on turn in.
I will be glad to answer any questions here or you can contact me directly at LG Motorsports for technical advice that we learned through the years of racing and winning.
Thanks
Lou Gigliotti
LG Motorsports
AND for those who are new to the Corvette Community: Qualifying from Petit Le Mans 2009 LG Vs Factory Corvettes GT2 class>>
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Lou,
Can you comment on the reviews and feedback you have received from corvette owners who have installed your monoballs on street/HPDE cars. I have a weekend canyon carver and occasional (couple times a year) HPDE car. Running coilovers, built motor with LG headers, and full interior. I can deal with some added NVH but don't want to be in need of a dental exam after a day of southern california canyon carving. Would love to hear your thoughts.
Can you comment on the reviews and feedback you have received from corvette owners who have installed your monoballs on street/HPDE cars. I have a weekend canyon carver and occasional (couple times a year) HPDE car. Running coilovers, built motor with LG headers, and full interior. I can deal with some added NVH but don't want to be in need of a dental exam after a day of southern california canyon carving. Would love to hear your thoughts.
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I've driven a couple of the shop cars with spherical bushings on normal roads and the only thing I noticed was a little better steering feel (in normal street driving). The shocks on the car will still do their job whether the car has rubber/poly/delrin/spherical. and you'll love them when the car is at limit.
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I've driven a couple of the shop cars with spherical bushings on normal roads and the only thing I noticed was a little better steering feel (in normal street driving). The shocks on the car will still do their job whether the car has rubber/poly/delrin/spherical. and you'll love them when the car is at limit.
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For sure will call you on Monday & paypal the $$Again as always great dealing with you guys and love the C.F. hood on the car.. Robert