Theta

I believe my builder said something similar when doing the boring. Many that have gone with a 416 or 427 have been told the same. At the time, I attributed it to being one of the first off the line.

Not sure if it's more sad or scary.

robert miller

Yes Andy at A/A S/C. vendor in here told me that about every car he has looked at was like that. Plus the bottom of the bore that it would take over 5,k wouldn't true it up....

robert miller

Just got off the phone with UPR got a good price on a catch can for the N/A motor set up for the vette with the Z51 package.

I am sure I will be happy with the choice in this cans. I was going with one of the other one's but due to the guy saying he will do this and then that. Then really never doing nothing at all I have been checking & reading up on the UPR can an sure I will be more than happy with this on the car...Robert

sycraft

Good Choice, it is a breeze and works well..

COSPEED

Yes, as they copied the RX it should work for you.

Maxie2U

You had better luck than me. I sent UPR two emails they have yet to respond to my question. I even told them I was ready to buy.

Go figure

Elite275

I have a UPR can on my wet sump C7 and originally received a hose that was too short. I sent an email with a picture and they got a new house out to me the same day. Maybe try again or give them a call. Email is funny and can end up in quarantine and things like that so maybe that happend.

COSPEED

I do not think your comment is fair and should be clarified. We were trying to give you a FREE catch can so you could collect data for us. You were IMO being pushy for someone getting a free catch can so that forced us to go with someone more closer. We can only take so much PMs But glad you are settled with UPR. Let's keep this on topic and keep this out of the thread.

I believe they are trying to revise their catch cans to work properly with the LT1s? I may be wrong.

COSPEED

UPR is not active on this board, we are. We just had one of the biggest tuner shops call us and have us overnight our LT4 Z06 can. He stated he does 30+ a year on road courses and has already run through 6 sets of tires this year alone and he picked our catch can. That says a lot. He will run it this weekend at some big event I guess.

Give us a call and we'll take care of you also.

EcoBrick Bob

When I purchased my UPR for Z51, I did not send an e-mail, as I had checked out several brands. Since UPR and Elite appeared to work the same I ended up with UPR because of the standard quick connect fittings. I now know they aren't a Forum supporter, but at the time, I wasn't aware of those that are and those that aren't. Mine came quickly, but wasn't really an issue as my car arrived later. Found install easy and quick. Everything fit.

However, my son, who had a Vert on order, purchased one for his wet-sump engine, because of my experience. When he was installing the UPR single outlet can, he too found the one hose was too short. It took him a couple weeks and several e-mails, including one from me ( who is a FL resident, which is where UPR is mfg.) He finally got his correct hose but wasn't real happy with their customer service which was the owner "Joe" who blamed the wrong hose on employee issues, that he was attempting to resolve.

Not sure if I would have purchased a different brand if I had been privy to my son's problems first, but I really like the quick connects, and have had no issues.

In summary, all catch cans work better than no catch can if installed properly. Some catch cans work better than others. Some engines need more complex catch cans than others. Don't just take someone's word and buy, do diligence and research what you need.

The only saving grace with the LT1 engine is that if the intake valves somehow need cleaning, it is very easy to do. The intake manifold can be removed quickly, and with that done, the valves can be seen and easily accessed for cleaning.

COSPEED

Good post.

A bit of history BEFORE the cheap chinese knock-offs appeared on the scene under the RX brand. A

couple years ago UPR had a customer take the "RX Challenge" and did it all on a forum w/out first testing on their own to see how poorly the UPR can actually performed. This was the test done (not by RX, by UPR and their customer...and part way through UPR even had the customer halt and try revisions to improve, yet it was the cheapest RX can through the entire test):

Sorry for the length, but it was performed over months and thousands of miles and very well documented. (We sold tons of RX cans before we launched our own)

5.0 UPR vs RX Catch Can Effectiveness Test

I’ve had a UPR catch can on my 5.0 since last summer. It catches a lot, especially in the cold months. But I’ll get right to my test. I added an RX can inline after my UPR can to see if the UPR was missing anything. And if it was allowing some to pass through, was it enough for the RX to catch anything? I don’t drive a lot of miles regularly since my F150 is not a daily driver, so my results will take some time. This thread is to document how I set it up and what I catch over time.
I installed the RX can just as the directions explained, but I routed the hoses differently. I left my UPR can right where it’s been for months, but rerouted one hose. I left the hose from the passenger side of the engine to the inlet of the UPR can. Then a new hose from UPR can outlet, routed to the inlet of the RX can. The RX outlet hose goes back to the engine. The PCV exhaust now flows from the engine, through the UPR, then through the RX, and finally back up to the engine intake.
Before installing everything for the test, I cleaned the UPR can thoroughly. The bottom of the can (inside) was covered with a thin layer of stiff sludge that I could only clean out using gas. I’m glad that was caught, along with the ounces of oil, water, etc, over the months I’ve been emptying it. But I was surprised at the outlet hose from the UPR can. It was wet with oil. Obviously some was getting through the can and back to my intake. I’ve never let the can get close to half full before emptying it. Nearly every time I’ve emptied it, there was 1/4“ or less in the bottom. I’m noting this in case someone thinks I left the UPR get overfilled and it flowed through. Nevertheless, I started this test after cleaning everything for a fresh start.
I plan to leave this setup on for a thousand miles or so, and report my findings from each can.
1st picture: UPR*can as it was originally installed.
2nd:*CleanUPR can.
3rd: RX can installed. The hose in the top center of the can is the inlet. The outlet hose on the right has a check valve.
4th:*Engine outlet to UPR inlet on left of can. UPR outlet on right side of can routed around (smaller hose) to the RX inlet. You can also see the other smaller hose coming back up from the RX can and ending at the intake on the engine.



Report 2:



I thought I'd add a post to keep this thread alive since it is taking me awhile to get enough miles on the truck for valid results. Now that spring weather is finally arriving, I haven't been putting as many miles on it since I'm busy. But I have around 600 miles on the test set up so far. I emptied the cans recently and recorded the volumes to date. I'd like to wait until I get to 1000 miles before posting the results from the test, but I'll give some preliminary feedback.

- Emptying process -*
First the UPR. I'm used to emptying the UPR can regularly, so it's not a big deal to unscrew, guide the can out from between the hoses, pour it out, guide it back in between the hoses, get it lined up carefully (so I don't cross thread the soft aluminum) and screw it back up snug. All that takes less than a few minutes so it's rather easy.
Now the RX can. Raise the hood, hold an empty water bottle under the drain tube, open the valve, close the valve, close the hood. I kid you not, it takes no more time than it took to read those steps. I knew it would be easy to empty, but it is ridiculously easy.

_ The weather so far -*
During the first week of the test we had winter weather, with some snow. Since then we have had mild weather. Temperatures are in the 50's and 60's most days.

- What they caught so far -
I won't share the amounts yet, but I'll give some info. The UPR can has caught a 'mostly oil with a bit of water' mixture so far. The RX can (in line after the UPR) has had just the opposite. It's collected mostly water or fuel, with some oil mixed in.
I emptied the UPR first, and I would estimate it has collected the normal amount compared to what it usually does I empty it. I was pleased that my set up with 2 cans didn't seem to change the normal flow and collection I was used to seeing with just the UPR can. When I was about the turn the valve to empty the RX, I paused to a few seconds wondering if anything would come out. After all it was a new can that would need to get some oil/water coated on the inside before there would be enough to drip to the bottom (The UPR can had been in use for many months and although I cleaned the can I did not rinse off the filter material). Plus I wondered if the valve of the RX can protruded up into the can, and if it required some liquid to collect before there was enough to spill over that valve nipple and exit the can. Then I opened the valve and I had to smile when I had some liquid drain out. I thought all along that if it caught more than 10% of what the UPR was collecting, I would be surprised. It's still early in the test, and I would like to redo the test after reversing the order of the cans later, but I am surprised so far. I'm hoping to get more miles on the truck soon so I can wrap up this phase of the test.

Report 3:

1000 Miles of Testing Results

- The Weather*has been warmer lately. So the test began with sub freezing temperatures, and gradually increased through the 70's and topped off in the mid 80's yesterday. I couldn't have asked for a better range of temperatures for this test.

- What they caught*was astounding to me. UPR was first in line, with the RX after it to catch anything the UPR might miss.
The UPR stayed on track with what it has been accumulating for many months. Each time I emptied them, it had about the same amount. It's contents were mostly oil which smelled like used oil. It caught 17cc total which is just under 3 1/2 tsp.
The RX had more than the UPR each time I emptied them. It's contents were an oil/fuel/water type mix that had a much stronger odor. Not a fuel smell, but a sharper chemical smell compared to the odor of used oil. It caught a total of 67cc which is just over 13 1/2 tsp.

- Final totals:
UPR - 17cc
RX - 67cc

The RX can caught 4 times the amount the UPR can caught,*after*the UPR can removed what it could. I said from the beginning I would be surprised if the RX can could pull 10% of what the UPR caught, since it was second in line. If someone told me it would catch an equal amount I would have said BS. For it to catch 4 times what the UPR can caught is unreal.

Report 4:

The routing of cans has been reversed*so the second phase of the test is underway. I cleaned the cans and hoses so neither has an advantage. I also checked the inside of the hoses as I disassembled everything. The exit hose from the UPR was dripping with oil and it made a mess as I took it apart. The exit hose from the UPR was clean and dry. It still looked new. That is what prompted me to clean all the hoses before starting this phase. Is the double can routing helping the second can*that*much, or is one can that much better. Time will tell again.

Report 5:

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming…


Phase 2 is almost complete now, thanks to some extra mileage for work. I'll report on that soon and begin phase 3.


As I said above, UPR shipped parts for me to do phase 3 of the test. I bought my UPR can in June, and they changed the can slightly since then. The new diffuser/extension will only fit cans made after that, so they shipped a full new kit to test. Thank you UPR for helping with this, and for your input in this thread.*
After shipping the kit, Joe@UPR asked me to remove the mesh from the exit side of my existing can for the remainder of phase 2, and to remove the mesh from the exit side of the new can before starting phase 3. I removed it from both (phase 2 was half way done when I removed it from the existing can). When I was removing the mesh from the short side of the new can (in preparation for phase 3), I realized the diffuser was assembled backwards. For our 5.0 F150's the long side of the diffuser must be on the passenger side of the can when installed. I disassembled, removed the mesh packed up in the can top on the exit/passenger side, and reassembled the can with diffuser. For anyone who might have received their cans assembled by UPR, you should check to see if it was assembled correctly before installing. (EDIT: Joe notes below they assemble the cans for shipping, and all cans should be assembled for your own installation needs) I also had a small piece of the stainless steel mesh (1/8") drop out when I was doing that. I wasn't thrilled with that so I unrolled, and lightly tapped the mesh in case there were any other loose pieces, but there weren't. A quick note on the UPR kit... it is much improved since I bought mine. The hoses are pre cut to the proper lengths, the elbow fittings are nickel rather than plastic, and they include Ford OEM snap on valve cover and intake fittings.


More to come soon!

Report 6:

Test Results

-*I'll summarize*the test to date. The first phase was to test the UPR vs the RX catch cans on a 5.0, both base models, with the UPR first in line and RX installed to catch anything the UPR missed. Those first phase results were: UPR - 17cc, RX - 67cc. The 'first in line' UPR caught 20% of the total volume. See post 37 in this thread for more details. The cans were cleaned and reinstalled in reverse order for phase 2, RX first and then UPR.

Phase 2 Test Results
- The Weather*has been average northern Ohio spring weather. Some rain, fog, cool nights, warm and hot days.

-*Driving*has been about the same through both phases. I good mix of rural roads, some small towns, highways, and approximately 40% of the miles on interstates at 65 - 80mph. Mostly average style driving, with a few very heavy accelerations mixed in. A little heavy hauling, and no towing.

- What they caught*this time might have been predicted by some (after the results of phase 1). RX was first in line, with the UPR after it to catch anything the RX might miss.
The combined volume of gunk was half of that caught in the first phase. The first phase had some cold weather which accounted for more water in the mix and the higher volume.
The contents from the RX can was mostly oil/fuel, and had a strong chemical/solvent smell again. It caught 35.5cc total which is approximately 7 1/8 tsp.
The UPR can caught about the same mix of oil/fuel, but didn't smell quite as strong. Halfway through this phase, Joe@UPR asked me to remove the mesh on the exit side of the UPR can. I did that, but noticed no difference in what it was catching. But since it was second in line, and there was little to catch, that's understandable. The UPR can caught 1.75cc total which is approximately 1/3 tsp. With so little collecting this time, I monitored the contents of the UPR can but didn't empty it until the end of the test.

- Phase 2 Totals:
RX - 35.5cc
UPR - 1.75cc*

-*Other tidbits*include the 'first in line' RX can caught 95% of the total volume. The exit hoses were very clean from both cans. The last few tanks of gas have produced slightly higher than my normal MPGs, but it's too early to tell on that (more to follow after phase 3).

-Phase 3,*using the UPR can extension and diffuser, is underway. Details will follow.


Final Test Results

-*I'll summarize*the test phases. The first phase was to test the UPR vs the RX catch cans on a 5.0, both base models, with the UPR first in line and RX installed to catch anything the UPR missed. Those first phase results were: UPR - 17cc, RX - 67cc. The 'first in line' UPR caught 20% of the total volume. See post 37 in this thread for more details on phase 1. The cans were cleaned and reinstalled in reverse order for phase 2, RX first and then UPR. The second phase results were: RX - 35.50cc, UPR - 1.75cc. The 'first in line' RX caught 95% of the total volume. See post 143 for more details on phase 2.

Phase 3 Test Results

- This time the UPR can*was first in line as in phase 1, but it had the new can extension and diffuser added. It also had the mesh material removed from the exit side of the can.

- The Weather*has been average northern Ohio early summer weather. Some rain with warm and hot days.

-*Driving*has been a good mix of rural roads, some small towns, highways, and approximately 60% of the miles on interstates at 65 - 80mph. Mostly average style driving, some steep hill climbs, and some very heavy accelerations mixed in. A little heavy hauling again, and no towing. I'll add some more thoughts on driving and MPGs below.*

- What they caught*was a mixed bag. UPR was first in line, with the RX after it to catch anything the extended UPR might miss.
The combined volume of gunk was down from the last phase, again. I assume it is due to the warmer weather and maybe my engine is using less oil with more miles? Either way, my test looks at the percent each can catches, compared to the total caught for that phase, so the volume isn't critical.
The contents from the extended UPR can was mostly oil, and had a used oil smell. The UPR caught 14.75cc which is approximately 3 tsp.
The RX can caught a fuel/water/oil mix. It smelled much more harsh again. The RX can caught 16.00cc which is approximately 3 1/4 tsp.

- Phase 3 Totals:
UPR - 14.75cc (48%)
RX - 16.00cc (52%)

-*Other thoughts*on the results. The contents of each phase showed me the RX does a better job of removing more than oil. It always contained more water/fuel type liquids, while the UPR contained mostly oil. I don't know if it is due to the can design, the 'out front' mounting style of the RX, or both.
For anyone buying or thinking of upgrading their UPR can, I strongly recommend figuring out how to mount it out front, and would definitely add the valve that Joe@UPR is offering. I really think the 'out front' cooling effect will help it catch even more, and the valve would be worth the price for ease of emptying it. Having the RX can to compare to when emptying, the front mount and valve are no brainers.
As I said at the end of phase 2, my MPGs have increased slightly. I have done nothing different to my truck over the past year, other than adding the RX can to the UPR for this test. My driving style is very similar from tank to tank, I fill up at the same stations, etc. But since having both cans in series, and essentially removing 95% or more of the PCV byproducts, my MPGs have increased. Up to that point my lifetime MPGs were 17.5. Nearly every tank for the past year gave me the same results, 17.5. I would have some trips that would net 20 MPG, but the other short trips would always pull it back down for the same tank average - close to 17.5. My recent tank averages have all been over 18 MPG, with a few over 19, and as high as 19.5. My last tank included hauling approximately 1000 lbs of payload, through some long hills/mountains of PA, and I got 18.8 MPG. It could be the summer fuel mix combined with an engine that is broken in, but the timing is peculiar. Whatever the reason, I like it!


Thank you*Eco Tuner (Tuner Boost) and Joe@UPR for your support, feedback, and willingness to listen to open criticism and suggestions through this test. Looking back though this thread today, I realized how rare it is to get input and support from competing manufacturers, through a comparison test like this. We have all learned quite a bit, and have real data to help make decisions. Hats off to you both!

Then, in the beginning of the test after the results were not good for UPR UPR sent this message to RX:

I am not happy to say the least about your tactics and forcing product on people.------------- You call our can a pull through, so how can you get caught with your double talk about our cans will fill up and hurt the engine. Pretty interesting since we have an ecoboost that we let the cans overfill and all it did was pull the little bit of oil at the top off the very same as no catch can at all. Oh wait, it must work so good that it magically sucks the oil pan clean.


If you continue to use and show my products as being faulty or not as good as yours I will have your can manufactured in billet to be a quality item ! Them proceed to sell all your dealers with my endless source of supplies.


And then Joe started to advertise on forums this about the can they are selling now as their "best":

We were selling another companies catch can through UPR and after this test we decided to develop a system that incorporated the Best of the RX

So, there is a bit of "unethical" business IMHO that went on with upr. In business, you can spend tons of $ and time and effort into developing a good product, you can license and pay for someone else's efforts and technology so all win, or you can stoop low and "copy" someone else's which is what happened here. So yes, business can be dirty and low, or can be upstanding and honest. In this case we feel the threats to do something so low, following thorough on the threat, and then actually advertising what you have done is shocking and tell's the World what a person/business is really like as far as ethic's.

I know this was long, but hope it answers some questions on how it all arrived where it is today.

robert miller

At least UPR gets back with a person & also does want they say they will do on a call back & getting a ordered out to a person.

Plus let not hear how good the RX can was here I had one on a blower set up for only 4300 miles was told by Tracey how good it was & it was the best out here.

Well after only 4300 miles on this new motor it looked like it had 200,k miles on it. He also wouldnt do nothing about it like he said on the can like if it didnt work he would buy it back & buy what ever I was thinking would work better. That was how good he was on his can. Well he didnt do that only talk a great story about his monster can for the c5 blower set up.

Plus as for you still after almost 4 weeks no one on your side has message me are nothing on a elite can for cost. For all the trouble with the RX can. I really dont know what rx has with elite. But after you tell me they were going to step up over 3 weeks ago..

So I just got me a UPR can.. Robert

USCG

This post is EXACTLY what I was wondering - Just how much do these cans actually capture...and the only way to find out is to hook them up in series. I did this same experiment with a 2002 5.3vortec using 2 cheap air compressor separators (in series) and was disappointed to see oil being captured in the downstream (2nd) separator....meaning the upstream (1st) separator was letting way too much get by.

A big THANK YOU for posting this test result. It is painfully obvious that (1) these cans do work; (2) some cans are much better than others, and (3) Wet Sump - Dry Sump does not matter - they all need a can.

COSPEED

Beggars can't be choosers. When you are offered FREE product for something that we have not completed building yet for the public, the last thing we need to hear on a DAILY basis is pretty much rude PMs like we owe you something. If you can't wait, move on.

The best way to get rid of your attitude was to give the free catch can to someone that we could trust.

Your attitude clearly shows in your first post and your reply. Most people wouldn't have mentioned anything and just stated "hey I bought this can elsewhere" but you decided you had to 'poke" the issue.

COSPEED

I like using a catch can. Cheap insurance IMO. Used it on a 98, 02 and current 10 and another off road vehicle.

meyerweb

Somehow it seems the CoSpeed has turned this information-filled post into a sales opportunity for their product. I'd like to see them start their own thread to advertise their business and, if they wish, criticize other people's products, and get this back to actual users talking about their real-world experiences.

FWIW, if we're rating or ranting about vendors, I bought my Elite E2 directly from Elite, after several email exchanges with Steve at the company. He provided me with all the information I asked for, and was very accommodating on providing me exactly what I needed at an excellent price. i recommend the company highly.

COSPEED

Guess what. We pay to be here. The OP doesn't mind our posts. The posts contain information and most here see to like. There is no rant. There is no criticizing of other peoples products. We are stating facts about the UPR. Interpret it as you wish. We carry the Elite too. Elite is actually in our "backyard" as they are in Colorado.


The only reason topics like this go off topic are people who like to initiate agruments. Any posts we make is to "inform" the best we can.

And yes we are promoting our C7 Z06 cans. Again, we pay to be HERE. And once Elite comes out with their C7 Z06, WE'LL PROMOTE THAT TOO. (Happy?)

robert miller

I was told by the other guy it was at cost. He told me since I was in Tenn & not Fla where he was thinking I was that someone would give me a message since I was in Tenn.

To be fair I have never ask for nothing in my live for FREE but do except when a man tell me something that he does what it is set out to do. Are he will do what he said about it not doing the JOB ok.

I don't want to hear about being BEGGARS CANT BE CHOOSERS CRAP.

vettetwo

coSPEED2 is much more diplomatic than coSPEED. Remember, vendor comments can get a thread shut down.

COSPEED

No it was for free and you know this. All PMs are kept. Since you were being so pushy, we said we were going with someone else and stated when the can is done, we would sell one to you at cost.

You know what I am done arguing with you. Next time, instead of posting a half statement to make you look good, post the full story.

You are making it a point to argue here with false statements. Keep this topic ON TOPIC and keep the rubbish out.

You bought a UPR can. Great. Good job!