C7 Z51 - Hennessey, Callaway or Lingenfelter
#21
Instructor
Instead of dropping $20-30K in that C7, just drive it and start off w/ the high powered model in another year. You will still have good trade value on your '14 C7.
My opinion is that you take the easy mods but call it quits after that because it gets exponentially more expensive while reliability decreases with every mile and dollar spent.
Also, IMO, FI of any kind ruins a car for track use. Everyone I know that runs factory FI at the track, overheats. Everyone I know that runs aftermarket FI at the track, eventually breaks.
Also, location is everything and you should work with someone local on this project because there WILL be issues.
My advise is: if you can be happy with around 500 reliable rwhp than your C7 will respond great to: CNC heads, cam, exhaust, intake, and tuning. And more importantly it will be a good reliable automobile (not to mention lighter).
If you must have more, just save your money for the C7Z06. It's going to be a better starting point for big hp. It's going to come with wider wheels and a more robust engine. And it might even already be FI which will make it stupid easy to gain hp.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
My opinion is that you take the easy mods but call it quits after that because it gets exponentially more expensive while reliability decreases with every mile and dollar spent.
Also, IMO, FI of any kind ruins a car for track use. Everyone I know that runs factory FI at the track, overheats. Everyone I know that runs aftermarket FI at the track, eventually breaks.
Also, location is everything and you should work with someone local on this project because there WILL be issues.
My advise is: if you can be happy with around 500 reliable rwhp than your C7 will respond great to: CNC heads, cam, exhaust, intake, and tuning. And more importantly it will be a good reliable automobile (not to mention lighter).
If you must have more, just save your money for the C7Z06. It's going to be a better starting point for big hp. It's going to come with wider wheels and a more robust engine. And it might even already be FI which will make it stupid easy to gain hp.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Sound advise!
I purchase a $40,000 Subaru STI started tracking the car 3 years ago, invested an additional $40,000 in performance parts, got tired of being the research and development team of my car, sold it for $32,000 to the Chevy dealer and I purchased my C7 Z51. My wife's advise (she also tracks the car with me) was do not mess with this one. Get good at it, become a better driver and in a couple years upgrade with the Z07
#22
Sound advise!
I purchase a $40,000 Subaru STI started tracking the car 3 years ago, invested an additional $40,000 in performance parts, got tired of being the research and development team of my car, sold it for $32,000 to the Chevy dealer and I purchased my C7 Z51. My wife's advise (she also tracks the car with me) was do not mess with this one. Get good at it, become a better driver and in a couple years upgrade with the Z07
I purchase a $40,000 Subaru STI started tracking the car 3 years ago, invested an additional $40,000 in performance parts, got tired of being the research and development team of my car, sold it for $32,000 to the Chevy dealer and I purchased my C7 Z51. My wife's advise (she also tracks the car with me) was do not mess with this one. Get good at it, become a better driver and in a couple years upgrade with the Z07
#23
I own a highly modified turbo car, I own NA cars.
Don't have one with a blower, but I would imagine its pros and cons are right between those of NA and turbo.
If you are looking for peak numbers and bragging rights. Maybe roll racing and occasional drag strip usage - Turbo. Second to non in the peak power department.
In my humble opinion, a blower is a waste of time. Because if I want more reliable power, I'd go built NA engine, if I want high numbers, turbo.
Once I'll have my C7 (which will be a while), it'll get heads, cam, headers, maybe a stroker kit. We'll see. That should make for the ultimate track breast.|
There's nothing like the drivability and throttle response of a built NA engine. Absolutely nothing. Everything else will have more lag and be prone to having heat issues...
Just my 0.02.
Don't have one with a blower, but I would imagine its pros and cons are right between those of NA and turbo.
If you are looking for peak numbers and bragging rights. Maybe roll racing and occasional drag strip usage - Turbo. Second to non in the peak power department.
In my humble opinion, a blower is a waste of time. Because if I want more reliable power, I'd go built NA engine, if I want high numbers, turbo.
Once I'll have my C7 (which will be a while), it'll get heads, cam, headers, maybe a stroker kit. We'll see. That should make for the ultimate track breast.|
There's nothing like the drivability and throttle response of a built NA engine. Absolutely nothing. Everything else will have more lag and be prone to having heat issues...
Just my 0.02.
#24
Le Mans Master
Sound advise!
I purchase a $40,000 Subaru STI started tracking the car 3 years ago, invested an additional $40,000 in performance parts, got tired of being the research and development team of my car, sold it for $32,000 to the Chevy dealer and I purchased my C7 Z51. My wife's advise (she also tracks the car with me) was do not mess with this one. Get good at it, become a better driver and in a couple years upgrade with the Z07
I purchase a $40,000 Subaru STI started tracking the car 3 years ago, invested an additional $40,000 in performance parts, got tired of being the research and development team of my car, sold it for $32,000 to the Chevy dealer and I purchased my C7 Z51. My wife's advise (she also tracks the car with me) was do not mess with this one. Get good at it, become a better driver and in a couple years upgrade with the Z07
I dropped about $60K in to a diesel truck. What a waste of cash. I spent so many weekends dealing with issues related to bad parts and bad service. In the end, I sold it for $19K and was thrilled about it. I just wanted it gone.
Like I said, light mods are cool, but going whole hog will just about always result in a problem child car. And anyone that has been there knows this.
#25
Team Owner
Instead of dropping $20-30K in that C7, just drive it and start off w/ the high powered model in another year. You will still have good trade value on your '14 C7.
My opinion is that you take the easy mods but call it quits after that because it gets exponentially more expensive while reliability decreases with every mile and dollar spent.
Also, IMO, FI of any kind ruins a car for track use. Everyone I know that runs factory FI at the track, overheats. Everyone I know that runs aftermarket FI at the track, eventually breaks.
Also, location is everything and you should work with someone local on this project because there WILL be issues.
My advise is: if you can be happy with around 500 reliable rwhp than your C7 will respond great to: CNC heads, cam, exhaust, intake, and tuning. And more importantly it will be a good reliable automobile (not to mention lighter).
If you must have more, just save your money for the C7Z06. It's going to be a better starting point for big hp. It's going to come with wider wheels and a more robust engine. And it might even already be FI which will make it stupid easy to gain hp.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
My opinion is that you take the easy mods but call it quits after that because it gets exponentially more expensive while reliability decreases with every mile and dollar spent.
Also, IMO, FI of any kind ruins a car for track use. Everyone I know that runs factory FI at the track, overheats. Everyone I know that runs aftermarket FI at the track, eventually breaks.
Also, location is everything and you should work with someone local on this project because there WILL be issues.
My advise is: if you can be happy with around 500 reliable rwhp than your C7 will respond great to: CNC heads, cam, exhaust, intake, and tuning. And more importantly it will be a good reliable automobile (not to mention lighter).
If you must have more, just save your money for the C7Z06. It's going to be a better starting point for big hp. It's going to come with wider wheels and a more robust engine. And it might even already be FI which will make it stupid easy to gain hp.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Blowers are for the drag strip, N/A if you want to hit the road course. I would also run the car stock for a while to learn the car and what it really needs on a road course. My opinion is power should be added last. Do what you can to make your self a better driver and what will make the car handle and brake better. Once you have gotten to that point, then look to add power because those items are what are slowing you down initially, not the HP level of the car.
This is coming from a person that runs the 24 Hours of LeMons. My stints on the track are for 2-2.5 hours at a time. It is a full on race, not the nice, polite track events where you only pass on straights, etc. Our car has won its class and it is one of the "slowest" cars out there. We win because the car is reliable, handles well, has good, solid braking and we know the car and its limits.
Last edited by chaase; 10-15-2013 at 02:45 PM.
#26
Ok, so I'm gonna throw my opinion in on a few things. As far as regretting modifying a car goes, I've been there done that. The ONLY time I've regretted spending the money modding my 98Z28 is now, because I'm selling it, and of course you never get the mod money back when you sell. The last 5 years of having a highly modded car has been a blast, and worth the time and money it took to get it there, lots of enjoyment had from it!
Now, to the smart a$$ who posted earlier, do you personally know the OP? If not then why do you assume that he needs more driving skills instead of a faster car? For all you know he could have the ability to make Johnny O'Connell look like a beginner. He asked between the 3 companies which is best. Why can't people simply answer a man's question without being so s#!tty about it?!?!? I agree, too much hp can get you in trouble at the track, but if you know how to use it, it ain't a bad thing to have! A lot of people assume because you like speed that you will ease thru the corners then blast down the straights. Some people, this is true. But you can't automatically throw everyone in this category.
Now, to the smart a$$ who posted earlier, do you personally know the OP? If not then why do you assume that he needs more driving skills instead of a faster car? For all you know he could have the ability to make Johnny O'Connell look like a beginner. He asked between the 3 companies which is best. Why can't people simply answer a man's question without being so s#!tty about it?!?!? I agree, too much hp can get you in trouble at the track, but if you know how to use it, it ain't a bad thing to have! A lot of people assume because you like speed that you will ease thru the corners then blast down the straights. Some people, this is true. But you can't automatically throw everyone in this category.
#28
Burning Brakes
Callaway from an authorized Chevy Dealer.
#30
Former Vendor
If you want to check out our shop, you can actually somewhat do it on a lunch break thanks to Car Crazy and YouTube
Modding your car will depend on what you want to do with the car. We're all car guys and like cool stuff, obviously you gain a lot of cool points going with a twin-turbo build (How many people can say they have that?), but the supercharged applications work great as well, and since they are mechanically driven by the engine at any operational speed they're pretty reliable, with no couplers/piping/extra oiling systems etc.
Although a Twin-Turbo car built by a reputable shop that offers a warranty and has been in business for over 20 years, will run just like a car built by a firm that has been open for 20 years and is able to warranty their twin-turbo cars.
We'd love to build a car, and talk about the best fit for your build, as well as tell you places to go enjoy your car in a safe-controlled environment similar to our on-site test track, which we are the only tuner in North America with our own track on-site as well.
If you have any questions on what we'll be offering anyone is more than welcome to contact us, at 979.885.1300, or me directly at 713.650.5341, or mikep@hennesseyperformance.com.
Building the best car for anyone as stated in this thread really depends on what they're wanting to do.
Modding your car will depend on what you want to do with the car. We're all car guys and like cool stuff, obviously you gain a lot of cool points going with a twin-turbo build (How many people can say they have that?), but the supercharged applications work great as well, and since they are mechanically driven by the engine at any operational speed they're pretty reliable, with no couplers/piping/extra oiling systems etc.
Although a Twin-Turbo car built by a reputable shop that offers a warranty and has been in business for over 20 years, will run just like a car built by a firm that has been open for 20 years and is able to warranty their twin-turbo cars.
We'd love to build a car, and talk about the best fit for your build, as well as tell you places to go enjoy your car in a safe-controlled environment similar to our on-site test track, which we are the only tuner in North America with our own track on-site as well.
If you have any questions on what we'll be offering anyone is more than welcome to contact us, at 979.885.1300, or me directly at 713.650.5341, or mikep@hennesseyperformance.com.
Building the best car for anyone as stated in this thread really depends on what they're wanting to do.
#31
Safety Car
You're in Dallas OP do yourself a favor and go to Dallas Performance. You'll get more for your money and it will be done right.
#32
Shop by goals, reputation, and the ratio of mod cost to resale value. The 3 you listed are good shops. However, other companies can get you the results, have good reputations, but will cost less( sell for less as well I suppose). I think the smaller shops that come to mind are LG and Pfadt. Both make body, power, and suspension parts. They can manufacture, install, a complete package that will reach your specific goals. Why go to a company that will be reselling other parts. Just work with the company that makes the parts..they will know how to combine them and create a super car better than anyone. Just my .02
Power and acceleration
Handling and Racing
Comfort and styling
Your C7 will be in a league of its own. As an engineering firm with a background in aerodynamics, suspension design, and power products, we are able to elevate your C7 with unrivaled performance and reliability.
#34
Melting Slicks
21st century muscle cars is in Dallas, call or stop by and talk to Matt. they have C7 that they are doing testing on now. they are a LPE authorized dealer, they did a build on my ZR1 just last month and i couldnt be happier and i drove from San Diego CA!
I would go blower over TT
I would go blower over TT
#35
Le Mans Master
My Mother taught me that a fool and his money are soon parted. I've given you sound advice, but as I said above, I know there's no way you'll ever take that advice. Go spend your money foolishly - be sure to post up here with all your complaints and story of 'woe is me, my car doesn't work right, waaaaaaaa'.
Oh - and STFU n00b.
Oh - and STFU n00b.
1. If you mod your car, you WILL LOSE MONEY, it doesn't matter what company you choose.
2. Drive the car, take it to the strip, show some numbers, enjoy it, enjoy modding it.
3. SEE #1
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Le Mans Master
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I've had Katech and Callaway modded vettes. Both were/are completely trouble-free, performed as promised, on budget and time. Great cars. I'd trust LPE, LG, Dallas perf as well, tho I haven't dealt with them (I know folks who have and have gotten great results).
I wouldn't send my lawn mower to the other one.
I wouldn't send my lawn mower to the other one.
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As far as what tuner, I would do ample research on all the vendors and pick which one suits your budget as well as which one you feel more comfortable with.
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