Edmunds Comparison Test: C7 vs. Cayman S
10-16-2013, 03:24 PM
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10-16-2013, 03:29 PM
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Your attempt at an analogy seems to fail. Yes, most who study WW II and the subsequent history of "Operation Paperclip" know that those two rockets were both designed by Von Braun.
OTOH, I don't think Dr Porsche had anything to do with the Corvette.......
OTOH, I don't think Dr Porsche had anything to do with the Corvette.......
10-16-2013, 05:42 PM
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10-16-2013, 05:51 PM
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"'An ad hominem' is an argument that attempts to undermine an argument based on an irrelevant fact about the person making the argument (or of another person who agrees with the argument), for example by attacking their character or motives. 'Ad hominem' reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.
'Ad hominem' circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
The suspicion, as evidenced by DCTandAWD's failure to reply, is that they have no logical basis for their argument, so must therefore resort to these petty derailments and attacks on personal character.
10-16-2013, 06:37 PM
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No it doesn't. It asks you to compare your like for American aircraft over German aircraft, with American rockets (designed by a German) vs German rockets (designed by the same German).
It's much like this GM commercial which misses the irony of what they are really saying; They show the Saturn V throughout the commercial, a rocket designed by a German who is known as "the father of the American space program"...http://www.infoplease.com/biography/...rvonbraun.html), and end up showing a Vette while saying "America still builds rockets". Still? Had it not been for von Braun, there would likely never have been a Saturn V, and who knows how long it would have taken the U.S. to figure rockets out. So, yes, if GM wants to hang their hat on a correlation between the success of the Saturn V (and our subsequent space program), achieved by a German engineer, and the Corvette, then talk to GM about it.
It's much like this GM commercial which misses the irony of what they are really saying; They show the Saturn V throughout the commercial, a rocket designed by a German who is known as "the father of the American space program"...http://www.infoplease.com/biography/...rvonbraun.html), and end up showing a Vette while saying "America still builds rockets". Still? Had it not been for von Braun, there would likely never have been a Saturn V, and who knows how long it would have taken the U.S. to figure rockets out. So, yes, if GM wants to hang their hat on a correlation between the success of the Saturn V (and our subsequent space program), achieved by a German engineer, and the Corvette, then talk to GM about it.
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10-16-2013, 06:39 PM
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"'An ad hominem' is an argument that attempts to undermine an argument based on an irrelevant fact about the person making the argument (or of another person who agrees with the argument), for example by attacking their character or motives. 'Ad hominem' reasoning is normally described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.
'Ad hominem' circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false."
Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The suspicion, as evidenced by DCTandAWD's failure to reply, is that they have no logical basis for their argument, so must therefore resort to these petty derailments and attacks on personal character.
'Ad hominem' circumstantial constitutes an attack on the bias of a source. This is fallacious because a disposition to make a certain argument does not make the argument false."
Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The suspicion, as evidenced by DCTandAWD's failure to reply, is that they have no logical basis for their argument, so must therefore resort to these petty derailments and attacks on personal character.
10-16-2013, 06:45 PM
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10-16-2013, 08:31 PM
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10-16-2013, 08:40 PM
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No it doesn't. It asks you to compare your like for American aircraft over German aircraft, with American rockets (designed by a German) vs German rockets (designed by the same German).
It's much like this GM commercial which misses the irony of what they are really saying; They show the Saturn V throughout the commercial, a rocket designed by a German who is known as "the father of the American space program"...http://www.infoplease.com/biography/...rvonbraun.html), and end up showing a Vette while saying "America still builds rockets". Still? Had it not been for von Braun, there would likely never have been a Saturn V, and who knows how long it would have taken the U.S. to figure rockets out. So, yes, if GM wants to hang their hat on a correlation between the success of the Saturn V (and our subsequent space program), achieved by a German engineer, and the Corvette, then talk to GM about it.
It's much like this GM commercial which misses the irony of what they are really saying; They show the Saturn V throughout the commercial, a rocket designed by a German who is known as "the father of the American space program"...http://www.infoplease.com/biography/...rvonbraun.html), and end up showing a Vette while saying "America still builds rockets". Still? Had it not been for von Braun, there would likely never have been a Saturn V, and who knows how long it would have taken the U.S. to figure rockets out. So, yes, if GM wants to hang their hat on a correlation between the success of the Saturn V (and our subsequent space program), achieved by a German engineer, and the Corvette, then talk to GM about it.
If we were to follow your logic we would have to give credit to the Russians for the Corvette since Zora was a Russian immigrant.
And the P47 was designed by Seversky, also a Russian immigrant.
Who cares where they came from - it's where they were able to achieve success that matters. They key word in the quote you chose is "builds". I didn't see the Russians or the Germans going to the moon...............
10-16-2013, 08:42 PM
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10-16-2013, 08:45 PM
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10-17-2013, 10:24 PM
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