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Old 06-22-2023, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafo_Z51
Would I get any faults if I pulled the fuse for the NPP?
No. However, if you have an M7 and never use Eco Mode you won't notice much difference between having the fuse out and having the fuse in with the exhaust set in track mode. As I said in my other post, with an M7 with the Drive Mode set in Tour, Sport or Track and with Engine Sound Management set to Track Mode the only time the valves will close will be when the transmission is in 5th gear with engine rpm below 1500 or less than about 37 mph. In any other gear below 1500 rpm the Exhaust valves are open. That way you can use the features of your car to put the Exhaust in Stealth Mode if you are driving on a highway and want to listen to the radio. My Z's exhaust drowns out the radio when I have the transmission in 7th gear with the cruise set at 80 mph unless I put the exhaust in Tour or Stealth Mode.

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Old 06-22-2023, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafo_Z51
See, I have a Range device and my NPP is always on Track Mode but I still hear the valves close all the time.

Would pulling the fuse still cause a code with the AFM disabler?
As previously said - no.

I use the Range and have the exhaust fuse pulled.

No problems.
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Old 06-22-2023, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Let It Ride
Pulling the fuse is the same thing. All the mild to wild is doing is basically disconnecting the fuse for you..

The M2W is simply removing/inserting the fuse for you remotely. I push the right visor button and close the NPP valves. I push the left button and open the NPP valves. THe center button opens/closes the garage door.

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Old 06-22-2023, 09:24 AM
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At least with the M2W, I can be quite when I leave my house at 4 in the morning and not upset neighbors
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Old 06-22-2023, 09:32 AM
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At least with the M2W, I can be quite when I leave my house at 4 in the morning and not upset neighbors
there are times i feel bad for my neighbors, long tubes, borla atak, and decent cam....
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Old 06-22-2023, 10:35 AM
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You can do the same as the Mild to Wild with the Engine Management already in the car.
Old 06-22-2023, 11:01 AM
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Got it, I misunderstood, I thought you meant that if I pulled the NPP fuse it would give me a code for the AFM. Thanks for the clarification!
Old 06-22-2023, 11:27 AM
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The aggressive Cold Start mode that you love so much is the reason for the mean sound on startup that fades away. It is programmed into the ECU. What happens is the ECU pulls timing into the negatives so that the combustion process happens as late as possible and sends more heat out of the exhaust valve to light off the catalytic converters quicker. This is mandatory for all cars by the Government. You just don't hear it as much on regular cars because they are designed to be quiet.

So your valves are not closing after startup, they are staying in whatever mode the car is in. But the timing is being pushed back up into normal values a few seconds after the cold start. Same reason why you don't get a mean startup once the car is already warmed up. Like if you run into the store and come back out in 5 minutes and start the car, you don't get an aggressive startup. It's all based on estimated catalyst temperatures and coolant temps. In some older versions of HPTuners, you can change the cold start mode to either never enable, or to even enable when the car is already warm.
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Originally Posted by Travlee
there are times i feel bad for my neighbors, long tubes, borla atak, and decent cam....
If only you knew! 🙄
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Originally Posted by Internets_Ninja
The aggressive Cold Start mode that you love so much is the reason for the mean sound on startup that fades away. It is programmed into the ECU. What happens is the ECU pulls timing into the negatives so that the combustion process happens as late as possible and sends more heat out of the exhaust valve to light off the catalytic converters quicker. This is mandatory for all cars by the Government. You just don't hear it as much on regular cars because they are designed to be quiet.

So your valves are not closing after startup, they are staying in whatever mode the car is in. But the timing is being pushed back up into normal values a few seconds after the cold start. Same reason why you don't get a mean startup once the car is already warmed up. Like if you run into the store and come back out in 5 minutes and start the car, you don't get an aggressive startup. It's all based on estimated catalyst temperatures and coolant temps. In some older versions of HPTuners, you can change the cold start mode to either never enable, or to even enable when the car is already warm.
Thank you for that explanation.
Old 06-23-2023, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Let It Ride
Pulling the fuse is the same thing. All the mild to wild is doing is basically disconnecting the fuse for you..
Mild to Wild does do something, it gives you the option to turn exhaust quiet or loud at the push of a button

Something that pulling the fuse cant do
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Old 06-23-2023, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dcasole
Mild to Wild does do something, it gives you the option to turn exhaust quiet or loud at the push of a button

Something that pulling the fuse cant do
Dave
Mild to Wild is just a way of "pulling the fuse" and putting it back at the push of a button.
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Originally Posted by BWF07
You can do the same as the Mild to Wild with the Engine Management already in the car.
But not as easily or quickly as the M2W allows you to do it. I press one button on my HomeLink to make my system loud, one button to make it quiet. I don't have to go through a series of buttons on the infotainment screen to make the change.
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At only $80 it is a no brainer
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Originally Posted by Internets_Ninja
Mild to Wild is just a way of "pulling the fuse" and putting it back at the push of a button.
so I thought that's what I said .......

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Old 06-23-2023, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Casper001
But not as easily or quickly as the M2W allows you to do it. I press one button on my HomeLink to make my system loud, one button to make it quiet. I don't have to go through a series of buttons on the infotainment screen to make the change.
That is how I have mine set up , one simple push ...closes it or opens it
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Originally Posted by Dcasole
so I thought that's what I said .......

Dave
Mostly yes, I was only adding the specific part about how it basically just remotely pulls the fuse so that it might be helpful to someone that may not quite understand how it works beyond the pushing of the button.
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Old 06-24-2023, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Internets_Ninja
The aggressive Cold Start mode that you love so much is the reason for the mean sound on startup that fades away. It is programmed into the ECU. What happens is the ECU pulls timing into the negatives so that the combustion process happens as late as possible and sends more heat out of the exhaust valve to light off the catalytic converters quicker. This is mandatory for all cars by the Government. You just don't hear it as much on regular cars because they are designed to be quiet.

So your valves are not closing after startup, they are staying in whatever mode the car is in. But the timing is being pushed back up into normal values a few seconds after the cold start. Same reason why you don't get a mean startup once the car is already warmed up. Like if you run into the store and come back out in 5 minutes and start the car, you don't get an aggressive startup. It's all based on estimated catalyst temperatures and coolant temps. In some older versions of HPTuners, you can change the cold start mode to either never enable, or to even enable when the car is already warm.
Excellent writeup! Thank you for explaining it so well!
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Old 06-26-2023, 10:04 PM
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pulling the fuse is the easiest way
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Originally Posted by Ron Short
I would add that even with the valves open cold start is still more aggressive.. to my understanding it has something to do with programming the timing to get the cats hot faster for emissions.
This is true.


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