Considering a C7, have questions
#21
Drifting
Performance wise I think the C7 stock is comparable straight line to most of the performance Mustangs except maybe the GT350, or the higher line Mustangs etc. All C7's (even the base model) will run low 12's high 11's 1/4's with out any mods and the Z06 has turned high 10's stock as shown on the fast list here on the forum. In the twisty's the stock C7 will pretty much run away from almost all the mustangs and the GS/Z06 will run with or ahead of pretty much ANY of them except the highly modded. I say this from the forum reports back from the track rats, not personal experience.
I did see you said in your OP you were not a racer and really wanted a good GT car like most of us.
I think you will find the C7 a very comfortable car to drive on road trips and in fact actually gets 28-32 Mpg along the way, which is a plus.
I have 38K on my 2015 and other than changing out the MPSS to all season MPSS that's the only thing I've had to do to the car. Actually pretty good IMO for four years of service.
I will agree, with the top off above 70/75 it buffets pretty good but unless it's a really, really hot day it's livable IMO. Lots of guys LOVE their rag tops and say the wind noise etc. is considerably less than the top-off coupe you might consider one of those.
The A8 has a reputation of fails, but you are going M7 so no concern there for you. I have an A8 and not problems (knock on wood) so far.
I think the resale on the C7 overall is probably better than the Mustang, BUT as a daily driver you will probably put lots of miles on it AND that takes a pretty big hit on the Corvette market. Lots of garage queen C7's out there, some my year (2015) with only 3 or four thousand miles on them. So keep that in mind as you think about a DD corvette.
Fun car, great performance car, costs more than a Mustang to operate but the big question for you IMO is it worth it? I think so, and if I lived in a climate where I could DD my C7 I would without question -- Hope this helps -- tom
I did see you said in your OP you were not a racer and really wanted a good GT car like most of us.
I think you will find the C7 a very comfortable car to drive on road trips and in fact actually gets 28-32 Mpg along the way, which is a plus.
I have 38K on my 2015 and other than changing out the MPSS to all season MPSS that's the only thing I've had to do to the car. Actually pretty good IMO for four years of service.
I will agree, with the top off above 70/75 it buffets pretty good but unless it's a really, really hot day it's livable IMO. Lots of guys LOVE their rag tops and say the wind noise etc. is considerably less than the top-off coupe you might consider one of those.
The A8 has a reputation of fails, but you are going M7 so no concern there for you. I have an A8 and not problems (knock on wood) so far.
I think the resale on the C7 overall is probably better than the Mustang, BUT as a daily driver you will probably put lots of miles on it AND that takes a pretty big hit on the Corvette market. Lots of garage queen C7's out there, some my year (2015) with only 3 or four thousand miles on them. So keep that in mind as you think about a DD corvette.
Fun car, great performance car, costs more than a Mustang to operate but the big question for you IMO is it worth it? I think so, and if I lived in a climate where I could DD my C7 I would without question -- Hope this helps -- tom
#22
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All such tires have similar warnings.
Has anyone on this forum actually had their tires crack? The tires that came on my car had that warning, the ones that are on it now have that warning, they basically all do.
I did have one of my OEM (truly craptastic) Pirelli tires have it's tread crack, but they were due for replacement anyways, and the tire tech has improved immensely since those tires were considered the best in the market category 8+ years ago . My replacement Indy 500s have been a vast improvement over the OEM Pirellis, especially how they handle wet conditions and cold conditions. And I do see those tires are available for Z51 C7s, so that's what I'd install.
They truly are amazing tires, and despite the warnings, have 0 issues with cold temps. They grip amazingly well, handle rain amazingly well, are quiet and ride well, and have never had that "pop" that most MPS tires have in cold temps when they first turn after parked.
I can do a full-pull in 2nd gear at 30 degrees with them, with no problems. The OEM Pirellis would flop about, spin, and not work below 60 degrees.
Has anyone on this forum actually had their tires crack? The tires that came on my car had that warning, the ones that are on it now have that warning, they basically all do.
I did have one of my OEM (truly craptastic) Pirelli tires have it's tread crack, but they were due for replacement anyways, and the tire tech has improved immensely since those tires were considered the best in the market category 8+ years ago . My replacement Indy 500s have been a vast improvement over the OEM Pirellis, especially how they handle wet conditions and cold conditions. And I do see those tires are available for Z51 C7s, so that's what I'd install.
They truly are amazing tires, and despite the warnings, have 0 issues with cold temps. They grip amazingly well, handle rain amazingly well, are quiet and ride well, and have never had that "pop" that most MPS tires have in cold temps when they first turn after parked.
I can do a full-pull in 2nd gear at 30 degrees with them, with no problems. The OEM Pirellis would flop about, spin, and not work below 60 degrees.
#23
check this out - insane price if there are no hidden requirements for the discounts plus the 0% APR on 72 months Chevy is offering (if it can be combined). I'd probably have purchased it already if it wasn't a manual. Anyways good luck with your search!
#24
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Ya'll are hitting me with replies so fast, I can't keep up!! Love this place!!!
Tires are the #1 thing on any car, I'm fanatical about the different balances that can be achieved.
Can you explain more about the Blockit kit? Something for the Targa top?
Tires are the #1 thing on any car, I'm fanatical about the different balances that can be achieved.
Can you explain more about the Blockit kit? Something for the Targa top?
#26
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Performance wise I think the C7 stock is comparable straight line to most of the performance Mustangs except maybe the GT350, or the higher line Mustangs etc. All C7's (even the base model) will run low 12's high 11's 1/4's with out any mods and the Z06 has turned high 10's stock as shown on the fast list here on the forum. In the twisty's the stock C7 will pretty much run away from almost all the mustangs and the GS/Z06 will run with or ahead of pretty much ANY of them except the highly modded. I say this from the forum reports back from the track rats, not personal experience.
I did see you said in your OP you were not a racer and really wanted a good GT car like most of us.
I think you will find the C7 a very comfortable car to drive on road trips and in fact actually gets 28-32 Mpg along the way, which is a plus.
I have 38K on my 2015 and other than changing out the MPSS to all season MPSS that's the only thing I've had to do to the car. Actually pretty good IMO for four years of service.
I will agree, with the top off above 70/75 it buffets pretty good but unless it's a really, really hot day it's livable IMO. Lots of guys LOVE their rag tops and say the wind noise etc. is considerably less than the top-off coupe you might consider one of those.
The A8 has a reputation of fails, but you are going M7 so no concern there for you. I have an A8 and not problems (knock on wood) so far.
I think the resale on the C7 overall is probably better than the Mustang, BUT as a daily driver you will probably put lots of miles on it AND that takes a pretty big hit on the Corvette market. Lots of garage queen C7's out there, some my year (2015) with only 3 or four thousand miles on them. So keep that in mind as you think about a DD corvette.
Fun car, great performance car, costs more than a Mustang to operate but the big question for you IMO is it worth it? I think so, and if I lived in a climate where I could DD my C7 I would without question -- Hope this helps -- tom
I did see you said in your OP you were not a racer and really wanted a good GT car like most of us.
I think you will find the C7 a very comfortable car to drive on road trips and in fact actually gets 28-32 Mpg along the way, which is a plus.
I have 38K on my 2015 and other than changing out the MPSS to all season MPSS that's the only thing I've had to do to the car. Actually pretty good IMO for four years of service.
I will agree, with the top off above 70/75 it buffets pretty good but unless it's a really, really hot day it's livable IMO. Lots of guys LOVE their rag tops and say the wind noise etc. is considerably less than the top-off coupe you might consider one of those.
The A8 has a reputation of fails, but you are going M7 so no concern there for you. I have an A8 and not problems (knock on wood) so far.
I think the resale on the C7 overall is probably better than the Mustang, BUT as a daily driver you will probably put lots of miles on it AND that takes a pretty big hit on the Corvette market. Lots of garage queen C7's out there, some my year (2015) with only 3 or four thousand miles on them. So keep that in mind as you think about a DD corvette.
Fun car, great performance car, costs more than a Mustang to operate but the big question for you IMO is it worth it? I think so, and if I lived in a climate where I could DD my C7 I would without question -- Hope this helps -- tom
We'll see, the info I'm getting here still has me on the fence, but it's massively appreciated.
#27
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check this out - insane price if there are no hidden requirements for the discounts plus the 0% APR on 72 months Chevy is offering (if it can be combined). I'd probably have purchased it already if it wasn't a manual. Anyways good luck with your search!
check this out - insane price if there are no hidden requirements for the discounts plus the 0% APR on 72 months Chevy is offering (if it can be combined). I'd probably have purchased it already if it wasn't a manual. Anyways good luck with your search!
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#29
Burning Brakes
There is a poster here ("Crazy Cowboy") that sells several models of sound kits to reduce noise. These kits require removal of the carpet and trim in the trunk and seats and carpet for installation. He will even make trips to various parts of the country and do installations at owners homes if he gets enough people in the same area to make it worthwhile. I had him do his "Double Extreme" kit in my 2016 convertible. I noticed some difference, but not as much as I had hoped for.
My car has the original Michelin Super Sports. I'm hoping when I replace them with the AS3 all season tires it might get a little quieter.
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#30
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Jeeeeze, I sound like a tire salesman!!!
#31
Le Mans Master
#32
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I currently drive a 2016 Mustang GT PP/MT82 car with some suspension mods, and CAI & tune. I really want to get into something with a sunroof, or removable roof, and a used C7 is one of my considerations. I'm a GTer, not a dragger or tracking guy, I like a powerful, stable, comfortable and relatively quiet Grand Touring vehicle.
I'm looking for information on reliability and after-market modifications for C7s, with an eye towards buying a used 2LT Z51 7SPD vehicle, so I have a few general questions if ya'll don't mind taking a few minutes to answer them.
1. Reliability as a DD; This would be my only car, and would be driven all year, here in NoVa. Are there any major concerns with a C7 I wouldn't have with my current car?
2. Are there any specific issues that I should know about, to look out for when shopping? Specific known reliability issues?
3. How is the after market? With Mustangs a CAI and tune nets real power increases, does the same go for the LT1?
4. How are the Magneride shocks holding up? Are they expensive to replace? Hard to replace? Any companies re-building them?
5. I would be removing and re-installing the roof a lot. Do they hold-up well to that, or do they start squeaking and creaking? Do a lot of folks here end up dropping the roof panel?
6. How's the clutch feel? I've yet to drive a C7, but the Mustang's clutch is ****, absolutely crap, with 0 feed-back. Does the C7s clutch feel good? Does it last? Is the pedal heavy?
7. Replacement parts; are things like alternators, A/C pumps, power steering pumps cheap and easy to replace? Looking at a C7, I get the impression the accessories would be easy to work on, but let me know if that's incorrect. And they'd be cheap, because they're used on other GM platforms?
Thanks in advance for your answers. I'm just trying to see if this would be a move that makes sense.
I'm looking for information on reliability and after-market modifications for C7s, with an eye towards buying a used 2LT Z51 7SPD vehicle, so I have a few general questions if ya'll don't mind taking a few minutes to answer them.
1. Reliability as a DD; This would be my only car, and would be driven all year, here in NoVa. Are there any major concerns with a C7 I wouldn't have with my current car?
2. Are there any specific issues that I should know about, to look out for when shopping? Specific known reliability issues?
3. How is the after market? With Mustangs a CAI and tune nets real power increases, does the same go for the LT1?
4. How are the Magneride shocks holding up? Are they expensive to replace? Hard to replace? Any companies re-building them?
5. I would be removing and re-installing the roof a lot. Do they hold-up well to that, or do they start squeaking and creaking? Do a lot of folks here end up dropping the roof panel?
6. How's the clutch feel? I've yet to drive a C7, but the Mustang's clutch is ****, absolutely crap, with 0 feed-back. Does the C7s clutch feel good? Does it last? Is the pedal heavy?
7. Replacement parts; are things like alternators, A/C pumps, power steering pumps cheap and easy to replace? Looking at a C7, I get the impression the accessories would be easy to work on, but let me know if that's incorrect. And they'd be cheap, because they're used on other GM platforms?
Thanks in advance for your answers. I'm just trying to see if this would be a move that makes sense.
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#34
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I live in SE VA and have daily driven Corvettes since 05 for around 250k miles. My current car is a 16 z51 2LT with MRC. With all season tires most recently Michelin AS 3 + I operate in all weather except significant snow which is rare here in temps as low as -6f to as high as 118. Ground clearance requires some care and of course deep water but other than that no issues.
Of course it does not have a rear seat but the rear cargo area is spacious. I carry my turnout gear for work along with a spare uniform kit and a trauma bag with room to spare.
Cant speak for the targa roof. I rarely remove mine. I do not like the buffeting I get with it off and loss of cargo area space stowing it. I bought a transparent roof for mine. When I want a top down experience I break out my old Miata.
Clutch feel is good. My last Mustang was a new 03 Mach 1 and the feel is far better than it. Have not driven one since though. Oh and when I went from my Mach 1 to my first Vette which was a 01 z06 my insurance actually went down.
All in all I have had a fun ride with Vettes.
Of course it does not have a rear seat but the rear cargo area is spacious. I carry my turnout gear for work along with a spare uniform kit and a trauma bag with room to spare.
Cant speak for the targa roof. I rarely remove mine. I do not like the buffeting I get with it off and loss of cargo area space stowing it. I bought a transparent roof for mine. When I want a top down experience I break out my old Miata.
Clutch feel is good. My last Mustang was a new 03 Mach 1 and the feel is far better than it. Have not driven one since though. Oh and when I went from my Mach 1 to my first Vette which was a 01 z06 my insurance actually went down.
All in all I have had a fun ride with Vettes.
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#35
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If you are looking for a car that you can do endless performance mods for reasonable costs and noticeable gains... you are much better off sticking with the Mustang platform.
Mustangs are fun cars, but they respond so well to mods because they are built on a very low-cost 'anyone can afford one' platform, thus there are a LOT of avenues to improvement.
C7's are much more developed right from the factory. There are a few noticeable gains to be made, but they are not cheap, because the OEM parts are already decent and more optimized for performance, and thus to get a worthwhile aftermarket 'improvement', you really have to take it to the next level.
There is a LOT of difference between a chassis/drivetrain that starts at $25,000 (mustang) vs. one that starts at $50,000 (c7).
(edit to add: I'm not a Mustang hater -- just stating facts. I've owned and enjoyed just as many Mustangs in my life as Corvettes. If I could afford it, I'd have a new GT350 parked beside my Stingray.)
Mustangs are fun cars, but they respond so well to mods because they are built on a very low-cost 'anyone can afford one' platform, thus there are a LOT of avenues to improvement.
C7's are much more developed right from the factory. There are a few noticeable gains to be made, but they are not cheap, because the OEM parts are already decent and more optimized for performance, and thus to get a worthwhile aftermarket 'improvement', you really have to take it to the next level.
There is a LOT of difference between a chassis/drivetrain that starts at $25,000 (mustang) vs. one that starts at $50,000 (c7).
(edit to add: I'm not a Mustang hater -- just stating facts. I've owned and enjoyed just as many Mustangs in my life as Corvettes. If I could afford it, I'd have a new GT350 parked beside my Stingray.)
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One of the reasons Corvette is so affordable is shared parts or simular parts with the Silverado and othe GM products. I know some might not like this but the LT1 6.2 is almost a direct drop in from the optional 6.2 available in the high end Silverados and standard on the Escalade. My 2014 Silverado had a 6.2 (L86) that was only exhaust and intake different from the LT1 (per GM part numbers). It was rated a conservative 420 hp (5600 RPM) and 460 tq. (4100 RPM) The Silverados more common 5.3 is from the same family. The Corvette 8speed auto internal design is same as the one used Silverado and CTS-V. GM sells over 400,000 full size truck a year and provide a very large base to spread the design cost. So shared by Silverado, Camaro, Corvette, Cadillac, GMC, I think that is everybody but Buick...
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#37
OP: Do yourself a favor. Buy a C7 convertible. Trust me, you don't want to jack with the silly antics of the removable topper. Not when Corvette makes the one touch up/down C7 convertible.
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One of the reasons Corvette is so affordable is shared parts or simular parts with the Silverado and othe GM products. I know some might not like this but the LT1 6.2 is almost a direct drop in from the optional 6.2 available in the high end Silverados and standard on the Escalade. My 2014 Silverado had a 6.2 (L86) that was only exhaust and intake different from the LT1 (per GM part numbers). It was rated a conservative 420 hp (5600 RPM) and 460 tq. (4100 RPM) The Silverados more common 5.3 is from the same family. The Corvette 8speed auto internal design is same as the one used Silverado and CTS-V. GM sells over 400,000 full size truck a year and provide a very large base to spread the design cost. So shared by Silverado, Camaro, Corvette, Cadillac, GMC, I think that is everybody but Buick...
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True but those are dictated by the drastic body style differences between two totally difference vehicle types. The C7 headlights require pulling the front bumper off, while I bet the Silverado is just a few screws in the grille (I know the TrailBlazer is easy, my father has one). The OP was asking about things like water pumps and alternators which, if shared with other popular GM vehicles, should not be an expensive part at all. The C7 clearly has several, unique and specialty parts, but mixed in are many standard GM components as noted above by Terry H. One quick example: the cargo shade tie downs in the hatch are shared with the Equinox CUV.