Non Run Flat - what do you do if...
02-24-2019, 04:24 PM
#121
Sad, and it happens all too often.
02-24-2019, 06:28 PM
#122
Le Mans Master
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In summary of this informational tread, here is what I summarized:
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
02-24-2019, 06:34 PM
#123
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In summary of this informational tread, here is what I summarized:
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
A very good summary.
02-24-2019, 06:37 PM
#124
I'm going to chime in here and say I've had two experiences with run flat tires. One on my 16 CTS and one last summer on my 15 Callaway z06. Each time I drove home without issue. Next day ordered a new tire and had them replaced when they came in. No fuss. No stuck on the side of the road. I love zf tires and will never go back to being without them on a car I own.
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02-24-2019, 06:44 PM
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02-24-2019, 08:29 PM
#128
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From driving on both run flat and non run flat for the last 15 years:
- AAA is not an answer for choosing long-run flat tires. AAA does not guarantee they have or will send a roll back wrecker that won't damage your vette.
- Patches only work if you have a specific type of flat. What are you going to do if you are in the middle of the highway, 50 miles from the nearest exit, and patches dont work.
- On the other hand, if your run flat can't be fixed, there are still a very limited number of tire dealers (and gm dealers) that can (and/or will) fix or REPLACE a runflat. It takes an expensive, special touchless, tire mounting machine for runflats.
So, there is not a clear answer. You have to evaluate your individual situation, and make your own choice.
- AAA is not an answer for choosing long-run flat tires. AAA does not guarantee they have or will send a roll back wrecker that won't damage your vette.
- Patches only work if you have a specific type of flat. What are you going to do if you are in the middle of the highway, 50 miles from the nearest exit, and patches dont work.
- On the other hand, if your run flat can't be fixed, there are still a very limited number of tire dealers (and gm dealers) that can (and/or will) fix or REPLACE a runflat. It takes an expensive, special touchless, tire mounting machine for runflats.
So, there is not a clear answer. You have to evaluate your individual situation, and make your own choice.
02-24-2019, 08:34 PM
#129
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
From driving on both run flat and non run flat for the last 15 years:
- AAA is not an answer for choosing long-run flat tires. AAA does not guarantee they have or will send a roll back wrecker that won't damage your vette.
- Patches only work if you have a specific type of flat. What are you going to do if you are in the middle of the highway, 50 miles from the nearest exit, and patches dont work.
- On the other hand, if your run flat can't be fixed, there are still a very limited number of tire dealers (and gm dealers) that can (and/or will) fix or REPLACE a runflat. It takes an expensive, special touchless, tire mounting machine for runflats.
So, there is not a clear answer. You have to evaluate your individual situation, and make your own choice.
- AAA is not an answer for choosing long-run flat tires. AAA does not guarantee they have or will send a roll back wrecker that won't damage your vette.
- Patches only work if you have a specific type of flat. What are you going to do if you are in the middle of the highway, 50 miles from the nearest exit, and patches dont work.
- On the other hand, if your run flat can't be fixed, there are still a very limited number of tire dealers (and gm dealers) that can (and/or will) fix or REPLACE a runflat. It takes an expensive, special touchless, tire mounting machine for runflats.
So, there is not a clear answer. You have to evaluate your individual situation, and make your own choice.
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
Please add something to the list if I missed something, thanks!
Last edited by V Vette; 02-24-2019 at 08:35 PM.
02-24-2019, 09:21 PM
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From my experience Run Flats are essentially useless.
With luck they will get you somewhere that doesn't have a clue about getting a replacement tire to match. Get a comrpressor as others have said. Adding a little air along the way can take you far... if need be (if the tire is ruined anyway, nothing will help but a new tire, of course). This may not be handy, but will do the job. Anti-leak of one sort or another is okay, but don't be surprised is you tell the tire changer in advance and he/she telsl you to go elsewhere. And, if you don't tell them... well, I wouldn't want them working on my car afterwards. You can always carry plugs, too.... probably better than nothing, depending on how they are made.
Now, all that said, I've been running non-Run Flats for over 17 years on my C5 (which I also still have). It was my daily driver for years and I took it cross-country, etc. I always had a compressor is all... all its tires may be flat in it in the morning, but I've yet to use the compressor I carry in all my over-the-road vehicles.
All the best in any event!
With luck they will get you somewhere that doesn't have a clue about getting a replacement tire to match. Get a comrpressor as others have said. Adding a little air along the way can take you far... if need be (if the tire is ruined anyway, nothing will help but a new tire, of course). This may not be handy, but will do the job. Anti-leak of one sort or another is okay, but don't be surprised is you tell the tire changer in advance and he/she telsl you to go elsewhere. And, if you don't tell them... well, I wouldn't want them working on my car afterwards. You can always carry plugs, too.... probably better than nothing, depending on how they are made.
Now, all that said, I've been running non-Run Flats for over 17 years on my C5 (which I also still have). It was my daily driver for years and I took it cross-country, etc. I always had a compressor is all... all its tires may be flat in it in the morning, but I've yet to use the compressor I carry in all my over-the-road vehicles.
All the best in any event!
02-24-2019, 10:04 PM
#131
From my experience Run Flats are essentially useless.
With luck they will get you somewhere that doesn't have a clue about getting a replacement tire to match. Get a comrpressor as others have said. Adding a little air along the way can take you far... if need be (if the tire is ruined anyway, nothing will help but a new tire, of course). This may not be handy, but will do the job. Anti-leak of one sort or another is okay, but don't be surprised is you tell the tire changer in advance and he/she telsl you to go elsewhere. And, if you don't tell them... well, I wouldn't want them working on my car afterwards. You can always carry plugs, too.... probably better than nothing, depending on how they are made.
Now, all that said, I've been running non-Run Flats for over 17 years on my C5 (which I also still have). It was my daily driver for years and I took it cross-country, etc. I always had a compressor is all... all its tires may be flat in it in the morning, but I've yet to use the compressor I carry in all my over-the-road vehicles.
All the best in any event!
With luck they will get you somewhere that doesn't have a clue about getting a replacement tire to match. Get a comrpressor as others have said. Adding a little air along the way can take you far... if need be (if the tire is ruined anyway, nothing will help but a new tire, of course). This may not be handy, but will do the job. Anti-leak of one sort or another is okay, but don't be surprised is you tell the tire changer in advance and he/she telsl you to go elsewhere. And, if you don't tell them... well, I wouldn't want them working on my car afterwards. You can always carry plugs, too.... probably better than nothing, depending on how they are made.
Now, all that said, I've been running non-Run Flats for over 17 years on my C5 (which I also still have). It was my daily driver for years and I took it cross-country, etc. I always had a compressor is all... all its tires may be flat in it in the morning, but I've yet to use the compressor I carry in all my over-the-road vehicles.
All the best in any event!
Huh?
02-25-2019, 07:12 AM
#132
In summary of this informational tread, here is what I summarized:
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
Please add something to the list if I missed something, thanks!
Non RF Pros: Less expensive, better ride, no chatter, longer tread wear, most all repair shops can fix.
Non RF Cons: flat tire anywhere can be a problem, need slime, compressor or tow. Weather and location can be an issue.
RF Pros: can drive on (no getting out) to safety and repair , better for tracking
RF Cons: More expensive, some repair shops may not fix, harder ride then non RF, tire replacement more often (Tread wear).
Please add something to the list if I missed something, thanks!
I also disagree with you on better ride on RF vs. NRF. My experience with one set of each over 3 years of swapping back and forth indicates otherwise when both are warm. Ride comfort on RF are comparable to NRF today.
Some folks who have swapped from OEM PSS runflat to the AS3+ runflat have reported better ride comfort, but I don't perceive a difference when both are adequately warmed up, and it has more to do with cold tire temps. Summer max performance tire compounds are harder when cold. Moreover, a lot of folks who only take very short, low speed trips in C7s never get the PSS adequately warmed up.
Last edited by Foosh; 02-25-2019 at 07:45 AM.
02-25-2019, 10:18 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by PatternDayTrader
One thing is for sure, you didn't address the question directly.
Actually, the question in the OP's post asked..."What is the best option if you get a flat?"
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
The best option if you get a flat is to have proactively installed run-flats on your car, thus if tire damage ever occurs, you can continue cruising down the road in your Vette, with the climate control set to a comfy temperature and listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
02-25-2019, 10:26 AM
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Actually, the question in the OP's post asked..."What is the best option if you get a flat?"
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
The best option if you get a flat is to have proactively installed run-flats on your car, thus if tire damage ever occurs, you can continue cruising down the road in your Vette, with the climate control set to a comfy temperature and listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
The best option if you get a flat is to have proactively installed run-flats on your car, thus if tire damage ever occurs, you can continue cruising down the road in your Vette, with the climate control set to a comfy temperature and listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
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02-25-2019, 10:29 AM
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Actually, the question in the OP's post asked..."What is the best option if you get a flat?"
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
The best option if you get a flat is to have proactively installed run-flats on your car, thus if tire damage ever occurs, you can continue cruising down the road in your Vette, with the climate control set to a comfy temperature and listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
The best option if you get a flat is to have proactively installed run-flats on your car, thus if tire damage ever occurs, you can continue cruising down the road in your Vette, with the climate control set to a comfy temperature and listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
02-25-2019, 11:02 AM
#137
I've realized PatternDayTrader hasn't added anything of merit to any thread I've seen him posting in. Actually it is usually the opposite. Another for the ignore list ....
sorry for going OT. Please continue.
sorry for going OT. Please continue.
02-25-2019, 11:50 AM
#138
Race Director
Nice. I like that, because if you cant connect the dots here, then you might as well remove yourself from future discussions I may be involved in, and that's what ignore lists are for.
02-25-2019, 11:55 AM
#139
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Chatter has nothing to do with RF vs NRF. It's the summer tire compound on the cold wide (PSS) tires that produces chatter in tight turns on the C7. The AS3+ ZP does not chatter either when cold because it also has the more compliant AS rubber compound when cold.
I also disagree with you on better ride on RF vs. NRF. My experience with one set of each over 3 years of swapping back and forth indicates otherwise when both are warm. Ride comfort on RF are comparable to NRF today.
Some folks who have swapped from OEM PSS runflat to the AS3+ runflat have reported better ride comfort, but I don't perceive a difference when both are adequately warmed up, and it has more to do with cold tire temps. Summer max performance tire compounds are harder when cold. Moreover, a lot of folks who only take very short, low speed trips in C7s never get the PSS adequately warmed up.
I also disagree with you on better ride on RF vs. NRF. My experience with one set of each over 3 years of swapping back and forth indicates otherwise when both are warm. Ride comfort on RF are comparable to NRF today.
Some folks who have swapped from OEM PSS runflat to the AS3+ runflat have reported better ride comfort, but I don't perceive a difference when both are adequately warmed up, and it has more to do with cold tire temps. Summer max performance tire compounds are harder when cold. Moreover, a lot of folks who only take very short, low speed trips in C7s never get the PSS adequately warmed up.
02-25-2019, 11:59 AM
#140
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
Actually, the question in the OP's post asked..."What is the best option if you get a flat?"
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
Foosh answered that question directly and accurately. He in fact gave the best answer.
listening to the Rolling Stones on your stereo...instead of laying on the side of the road with assorted tom-foolery such as a tire patch kit, a can of slime, and a portable air compressor.
Regards,
-Ward
